#dev 2025-06-15

2025-06-15 UTC
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[tantek] Heads up to anyone using Google OAuth as part of your sign-in flow: https://www.techradar.com/pro/security/hackers-are-using-google-com-to-deliver-malware-by-bypassing-antivirus-software-heres-how-to-stay-safe
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aaronpk actual report https://cside.dev/blog/weaponized-google-oauth-triggers-malicious-websocket
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[schmarty] Seems to require content injection to get the malicious thing in the page? Also requires a click to activate the link?
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[snarfed] sounds likely. I'd kinda also somewhat discount any piece that mentions antivirus software like that, antivirus in general has been net neutral to negative for security for at least a decade now
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[snarfed] will read though!
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[social] I have a rather silly question… In updating my sites PHP I’m looking at at my RSS builder and it has been in RSS .91. In the update I was looking at adding the date into the output, so changing to something more modern than .91. Then looking at the existing outpput from my 2003 RSS generation code, the dates are showing up in readers, but I have no idea how.
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[tantek] Re: "more modern than .91" <-- went to Atom feed file and never looked back
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[social] I also realized .91 doesn’t (based on spec) work with how I’ve been using it, but .92 does.
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[social] I was looking at Atom last night and the write-up in IndieWeb wiki.
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[social] I’m likely going to do a quick .92 update to get through the conversion to PHP 8.3, but I have a handful of things I’m stacking for the next round of updates.
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[social] I finally have pagination on category.php template and its pages.
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[social] These are all in my development area as I move through the templates and pages.
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[social] I still have no idea where RSS .91 feed shows up with dates in a feed reader, unless it is the reader that is just doing a diff based on last update date.
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[tantek] Yes if you decide to go the 0.92 route and get it to work, please add your learnings to the wiki
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[tantek] What is RSS
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Loqi RSS is an acronym for a set of XML feed file format variants used for syndicating time-stamped content from web sites like blogs and podcasts, and sometimes a shorthand for feed file formats as a whole including Atom, or even more broadly for the concept of feeds or syndication in general https://indieweb.org/RSS
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[social] I’ve been using RSS .91 but dumping in full text of my post, which shouldn’t work. RSS 0.92 doesn’t have a limit on the post.
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[social] I will do a write-up of RSS 0.92.
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[mattl] They should really be up to RSS 26 by now.
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gRegor RSS 2000
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gRegor Or maybe CyberRSS, [tantek]? ;) (we were talking the other day about adding "cyber" to everything)
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[mattl] CybergRegor.
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[mattl] I just want this
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[mattl] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2025/06/dev-20250615-182247-image.png
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[mattl] I assume it was just delayed by COVID
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doesnm what is it?
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Loqi It was a dark and stormy night https://indieweb.org/It
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[mattl] doesnm: it’s a still from Johnny Mnemonic… it’s a bunch of techy-looking stuff and it says “Internet 2021” on it.
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[social] CyberRSS is newer than iRSS?
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[social] or eRSS
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[mattl] iRSS makes everything quite hard to read as its all rendered using shiny glass buttons with reflections. CyberRSS is lime green on a black background in a monospace font and you can’t turn off Massive Attack.
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[mattl] eRSS is just a larger version of iRSS released for the education market, relunctantly released for the home market as a budget option.
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[social] Stop looking at my http://Last.FM
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doesnm ok
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[mattl] I never look at http://Last.fm
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doesnm [mattl]: iRSS is a rss app?
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[mattl] iRSS is a fictional technology, riffing on the iPod, iTunes, iMac, iDVD era.
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[mattl] Don’t forget iCEO, Steve Jobs.
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Kolev iRSSi
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[tantek] The funny thing is these days a lot of RSS is actually "iRSS" as in RSS + extensions for iTunes podcasting
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[schmarty] enjoyed this read on malleable software and thinking how the idea of smoothing the curves in levels of power and expertise might work for IndieWeb building blocks https://www.inkandswitch.com/essay/malleable-software/
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[artlung] I use https://github.com/mibe/FeedWriter on the sites where I write out a feed. It's a bit long in the tooth and I have to suppress an error with `@` when I create an instance, but it's straightforward to work with: `$feed = @new ATOM();` ... example here: https://github.com/artlung/lab.artlung.com/blob/master/web/feed.xml.php
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Loqi [preview] [mibe] FeedWriter: PHP Universal Feed Generator
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[tantek] [schmarty] good article and not just because they mentioned HyperCard and OpenDoc 😆 though I was surprised no mention of Yahoo Pipes which seems very fitting with some of the ideas in the post
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[snarfed] yahoo pipes, always the middle square of any software development think piece bingo card
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[manton] I still sort of miss OpenDoc. Good times. 🙂