#dev 2025-06-18

2025-06-18 UTC
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[artlung]
I take it that is slop of some sort.
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[mattl]
i think just someone trying to sell me a CSS template for $99.
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btrem
[snarfed]: that's what prompted me to inquire here. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to see the headers for the request. Firefox dev tools doesn't work. It seems like the site (Drupal 10 FYI) issues redirects, so I can't see the headers for the request that I need.
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btrem
I tried using curl, but damned if I can figure out the right way to send a password and username (FAOAD, it's not the -u switch; that's for server level auth, not a php app/web form), and store the results in a cookie.
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[0x3b0b]
I think there's a setting somewhere on the firefox dev tools to preserve the network history so that you'd be able to inspect the redirected request. I don't remember where. On the occasions I've needed to do anything similar that browser dev tools couldn't help me with, I've used various combinations of Fiddler, powershell, and Bruno (or tools that resembled Bruno). To send a username and password to a web form with curl I believe you'd need...
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[0x3b0b]
... either -F or -d depending on how the form is set up; not sure, as I haven't done that in a long while.
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[0x3b0b]
I think the setting I'
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[0x3b0b]
welp. I think the setting I'm talking about is "persist logs" under the options wheel in the developer tools window
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[tantek]
btrem, I just tried this in Firefox dev tools to watch a redirect and it worked for me. here is what I did
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[tantek]
open a new window in Firefox
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[tantek]
from the menubar, choose "Tools" > "Browser Tools" > "Web Developer Tools"
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[tantek]
on the pane that pops-up from the bottom with tabs labeled "Inspector" "Console" "Debugger" "Network", click on "Network"
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[tantek]
now go to the URL bar and enter a URL known to redirect, e.g. I used http://w3.org/tpac
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[tantek]
first thing that showed up in the devtools pane is "301 GET ... " etc. then next line is "200 GET ..." the redirect destination, then a bunch of lines of retrieving embedded resources
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[tantek]
I just tried another URL I know does lots of redirects, and got a 302, four successive 303s, and finally a 200
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[tantek]
from those lists of 301/302/303 lines, if you click on any line, another pane opens up to the right, where it shows the full Request and Response headers of that one network request. so you can literally check the specific headers on any redirect in a sequence of redirects
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[tantek]
LMK if any of that is unclear or confusing and I'll try to clarify
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btrem
[0x3b0b]++ [tantek]++
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Loqi
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Loqi
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btrem
I'll try that. Maybe not tonight, as I just made dinner. But tomorrow. Thanks to both of you for the help. I'm curious what the response headers -- specifically mime type -- are for the .ics url.
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[artlung]
The DTD for WML is served as XML because the url ends in .xml but a DTD is not XML so of course browsers fail to display it and in fact show a big XML parsing error. https://www.wapforum.org/DTD/wml_1.1.xml
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[Jo]
ah Wireless Application Protocol, i was thinking something else -forum
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[Jo]
this says it *probably* wont work (and it doesnt for me), have you found a browser where it did work?
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[artlung]
So the page loads, and the anchors are <a> tags and work. What doesn't work are anything WML specific. Tags like <go> or <onevent>
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[artlung]
And the WBMP won't load on my browsers. Though Firefox I think recognizes it as not a broken image. Interestingly, PhotoShop can open the WBMP even though it didn't create it.
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perryflynn
Checkout blamba.de for actually working WAP. Today. https://mstdn.social/@karpour/114582362384953861
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[Jo]
wow!!
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Loqi
[preview] [Karpour] Finally, after 25 years, I am using WAP on a Nokia 7110, the phone that got me obsessed with WAP. I still have the pamphlet promising a cool WAP future. This is very special. The 7110 is pre-GPRS. Before GPRS, WAP access was via CSD, which most prov... https://media.mstdn.social/media_attachments/files/114/582/333/272/283/382/original/1fea787969c7e4ec.jpg
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[artlung]
_On a supported phone (even on a commercial network) visit_
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[artlung]
So - cool!
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perryflynn
They ran a local gsm Network on CCC Congress last year.
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[artlung]
But I still need a phone (or, perhaps a simulated phone?) to load it properly.
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[artlung]
https://blamba.de/?page=faq sheds more light. A very fun exercise for me. Also, I added a microformats support header to my own page. Perhaps at this moment the only WML page that supports a webmention? Maybe not.
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[tantek]
wait, did you figure out how to add microformats to WML?!?
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[artlung]
Ha ha! No. I added the HTTP header to indicate I can accept webmentions. But if I look at the DTD right I think class is a valid attribute so maybe? But I’m away from a keyboard now. But I linked to the DTD should be easy to see whether tags can accept the attribute.
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[tantek]
WML + microformats would make for a very entertaining 20th anniversary post
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[mattl]
oh I had so many of that phone. I loved it.
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[mattl]
that was my main phone until I got suckered in to carrying 3 phones everywhere
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[mattl]
I started writing a new static site generator
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Kolev
Thinking of getting rid of my website and replacing it with just a placeholder page that goes to my Gemini capsule.
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[mattl]
Do you want people to not be able to find you?
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[mattl]
Do any major web browsers have native Gemini support?
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[Jo]
no major ones as far as i'm aware
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[Jo]
i get the impulse tbh
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[mattl]
It seems no different than me replacing my website with a link to an FTP server.
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[mattl]
someone needs another piece of software to access that stuff
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[Jo]
yes in a way that may be the point though. ofc not very user friendly
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[mattl]
(i’m mad that browsers stopped supporting FTP)
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[Jo]
same!
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[artlung]
I did the thing and added microformats to the wml demo page. https://lab.artlung.com/wml/ and indiewebify me and pin13 net both parse it correctly despite having put the classes on the wml and card tags (nonlegal html tags)
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[mattl]
artlung++
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Loqi
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[artlung]
Thanks Matt. A delight to know my obscure markup is appreciated by other obscure markup appreciators.
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[schmarty]
obscure markup appreciator's club
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[artlung]
add it to the pile with my tilde club site and html 2.0 demo page https://tilde.club/~artlung/ https://lab.artlung.com/html-2.0/ - both of which use HTML 2.0
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[tantek]
btem, any luck with HTTP headers debugging?
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[mattl]
[artlung] I’d wound up going with Bootstrap for this thing. I don’t know if its my small familiarity with it or its just the least annoying CSS framework in terms of the website
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[artlung]
Bootstrap is a predictable quantity. Glad you got Rails going [mattl] !
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