#dev 2025-07-22
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gRegor I just emailed adactio about huffduffer tags feature seeming to be mostly gone, e.g. https://huffduffer.com/tags/indieweb is 404
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[social] I know the answer to Huffduffer tags, they are off for the time being due to AI bots pounding Huffduffer. The tags provides and added vector with multiple pages. So this is why they are off.
# [social] Completely. This is why we can’t have nice things..
# [social] I stumbled onto the lack of tags in Huffduffer in the last month or so and asked.
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# gRegor Added on /huffduffer and linked from /LLM criticism section
# [morganm] BOOOOO!
# gRegor It's still easy to scrape by other means like https://huffduffer.com/new, so it really seems to just be about the performance
# [snarfed] you all may be interested in https://github.com/bluesky-social/proposals/tree/main/0008-user-intents
# osteophage "The mechanism and expectations are similar to robots.txt files on the web."
# osteophage Unfortunately robots.txt files are already getting ignored, so I don't expect this to do much either way.
# IWDiscord <osteophage>
# osteophage Just added some links to the wiki about this a moment ago.
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Loqi Huffduffer, built by Jeremy Keith is a tool for creating podcasts out of audio files from around the web https://indieweb.org/Huffduffer
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# perryflynn as long as the politicians are all on the "AI first" hype we can just give up. you can't do anything about it. that is the advantage and also the biggest disadvantage of the internet.
# perryflynn and if the first laws will come (if ever) then the scaper will just move to a country where no laws are established.
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# [Sophia_wood] The Silo ate my website 😞 I need to host a map and my haiku site after Glitch has shut down and my brain hurts just thinking about moving everything right now. I am frustrated I didn't see the email and wish there had been more of a runway.
# [Sophia_wood] ^^ It is totally on me - I used Glitch to learn how to do servers (make an API, Map server, etc. )
# [Sophia_wood] okk - I am able to download my projects!
# [Sophia_wood] Now I need to figure out how to host.
# [Sophia_wood] just figured out how to get them - there was a glitch when I went to go get them.
# [Sophia_wood] I don't feel like I have the bandwidth to self-serve with security and not understanding risk.
# [Sophia_wood] thoughts?
# [Sophia_wood] I have 3 projects I'd like to save:
# [Sophia_wood] • Porthales - openmap server with all the stormhole drains for my city with added portaldestinations
# [Sophia_wood] • soHaiku - an rss feed that self populates every hour with a new oulipo haiku
# [Sophia_wood] I need to dig in and remember what I did, but I think they are mostly node.
# [Sophia_wood] • webkitty - an api to check on the webkitty status that changes every 30-120min.
# [social] Does your host support Node apps?
# [Sophia_wood] I was hosting on Glitch - it just died
# [Sophia_wood] correction - go killed
# [Sophia_wood] so I'd like to avoid Fastly
# [Sophia_wood] So I think I need to find a host - (or become a host) for node apps
# [social] I didn’t use Glitch, but I have followed many Glitch apps and I’ve been trying to see how they have been approaching moving their apps. But, I haven’t seen them resurface. Many were planning on moving things to their own light Node servers (like Digital Ocean), but those take a bit of work beyond building good apps.
# [social] My host offers many server options, including a virtual host for Node.
# [Sophia_wood] I want to make sure I can't get hit with any surprise bills - a place that caps rather than charges.
# [Sophia_wood] I use netlify for a lot of other sites - just not node yet - I'll check on it.
# [social] When you have demoed your site I think the stormhole drains may be the only one that needs some backend (depending on how you have it built), but the others seemed like it could be done serverless.
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[schmarty] [Sophia_wood] - Jenn Schiffer (former head of community at glitch) had a lot of projects to rescue and re-home, as well. she tried out a bunch of things and made a list of recommendations on her site: https://livelaugh.blog/posts/glitch-alternatives/
# [schmarty] she put a focus on services with free tiers that let you start without putting in a credit card.
# [Sophia_wood] omg - "if you manually download via the dashboard, _it will not include assets_, but his script does."
# [Sophia_wood] I am so grateful for this post
# [schmarty] glitch++ fastly--
# [Sophia_wood] fastly-- for sure I will miss glitch
# [Sophia_wood] I will also miss their team - always so helpful.
# [Sophia_wood] Thanks [schmarty]++
# [Sophia_wood] and [artlung]++ and [social]++ I think I will look at digital ocean and myhost for the node apps.
# [social] I sent a note with my hosting company, I’ve used Digital Ocean for a long time, but I’ve stopped running the apps I host there. They are good, but it does often require some hosting experience.
# [social] [schmarty]++ that link is one I had seen mentioned but not tracked down. It is full of helpful information for moving beyond Glitch.
# [Sophia_wood] Oh wow- good to know. I am looking for sites that feel good on who the serve and support.
# [Sophia_wood] I missed the may post - I was on vacation, and then heads down trying to figure out work in June- so I’m going for a run, then digging in to options. I love this community. Thank you
# [social] One of the things I love about my host is the lack of AI.
# [social] gRegor is going independent of the independence discussion
# gRegor I moved up this section, feel free to expand with quotes and additional resources: https://indieweb.org/Glitch#Alternatives_to_Glitch
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[artlung] Added [mattl]’s contribution to the https://lab.artlung.com/comics-a11y/ to the actual page. I'm on the lookout for more examples too. Bestiary of comics markup eventually.
# [schmarty] what operating systems a hosting provider supports and whether that host is a silo are not really related.
# [artlung] https://xkcd.fyi was mentioned during FrESH. It specifically creates transcripts visible to the user in a way alt + title are used in xkcd
# carrvo Any Apache gurus can help me understand when it chooses its status codes? I used to have it where under a webspace path it would return 401 at first (not logged in), then a 403 if their login still did not have permission. Other paths were 403 by default. I'm not sure what changed in my configuration but now it only returns a 403...I suspect it may have to do with a change whereby a page configured for anonymous use will return 20
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# [artlung] [gRegorLove] thanks. added some points about xkcd https://lab.artlung.com/comics-a11y/
# carrvo Give me a bit and I will see how to share.
# [snarfed] timeless and relevant, re "how independent": https://snarfed.org/2022-12-03_48201
# [snarfed] "yeah I wrote my web server and OS from scratch, and I built my own server and racked it in a colo facility I built myself, on land I own, powered by my own generator, connected by a boutique ISP I run myself...but I'm not yet making my own chips out of FPGAs. I'm worried about that dependency. not to mention the gas I put in my generator, I have to buy that, that's a problem too"
# [snarfed] obligatory, https://xkcd.com/378/
# Loqi [preview] [XKCD] Real Programmers https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png
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[mattl] I’ve been that guy too. Unlike most people here, I was in a cult that focused very heavily on such purity. As I started to get disillusioned with it, I began to quickly see how ridiculous it is. Well, even the person in charge of the cult uses a VPS host for their website and email, not to mention their DNS and domain name registration.
# carrvo Something like that anyway.
# carrvo I have noticed in the logs it has a difference between `denied` and `denied (not authenticated)` and I vaguely think it may be related to `GroupExternalAuthNCheck Off` bypassing the authn when it's authz checks for anonymous access.
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# [mattl] new blog post! [artlung] helped me think about this again recently. https://mat.tl/blog/2025/07/22/the-freedom-to-fuck-off/
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[KevinMarks] I do like the bit in 24 hour party people where the big label wants to buy them and Tony explains they don't own anything
# [KevinMarks] Also, I know two 2010s era web people who are now goat farmers, which is surprising as there are two
# [KevinMarks] That just feels like a natural progression.
# [KevinMarks] I was thinking of Eran Hammer and Derek Powazek
# [social] [mattl] Great piece. When I work with companies about product / tool selection one of the key things I push them to keep track of is “how do I get out of this and move to something else”. Products with lock-in most often are the ones you don’t want to enter into as they haven’t thought of the basics and they have lost too many customers.
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epoch an example of the free subdomains thing https://freedns.afraid.org/
# [mattl] I’m going to keep a $0 tier for http://Libre.fm but I want to work on some way to take money that’s affordable for people regardless of their location. I’ve yet to see a solid way to do that.
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# carrvo Any ideas on my Apache config?
# [Sophia_wood] after going for a run I may have figured out how to do an all client side approach for two of the pages and run a python script on my computer that pushes the changes to the rss feed and API.
# [Sophia_wood] I'm still working out my math approach.
# [Sophia_wood] When a Silo eats your website - go for a run.
# [Sophia_wood] *map approach
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