#dev 2025-07-25
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[schmarty] This may pique the interest of certain IndieWeb devs who noodle on date formats... https://www.zachleat.com/web/adventures-in-date-parsing/
# [schmarty] I didn't realize the upcoming Temporal changes to JS were going to break so many things!
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[aciccarello] Interesting that the YYYY-DDD (year day) format won't be supported
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osteophage fausphorus[d] I'm late to the game here, but in case it's helpful for getting up to speed, I put together this beginner guide: https://osteophage.neocities.org/essays/you-can-make-a-website
# osteophage [edit] fausphorus[d] I'm late to the game here, but in case it's helpful for getting up to speed, I put together this beginner guide: https://osteophage.neocities.org/essays/you-can-make-a-website
# fausphorus oh nice! Thanks 👏 !
# osteophage You're welcome! :3 Sounds like you already got exposed to a lot of new stuff yesterday, so some of it may be redundant by now, but hey, reinforcement is a part of learning, right?
# osteophage The "How To Create The Thing Itself" section has a bundle of links on learning HTML/CSS, and for what it's worth, what I use for creating pages offline before uploading them is Notepad++.
# osteophage Also, here's the code template I know of for webcomics: https://rarebit.neocities.org/
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# fausphorus ohoh very relevant
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# [social] From a discussion in the EU Homesite Club about quoting others, somewhat in relation to webmentions. I’m taking a look again at “Quotebacks” as I’m restructuring my blockquotes.
# [social] I’ve not been fond of the javascript heavy approach, of https://quotebacks.net, but having something also more local with similar functionality that could send a webmention could be helpful. I’m starting with the layout, design, and structure in the page in my lab first (at some point) and moving out from there (hopefully).
# [social] What is Quotebacks?
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Loqi “ A quotation is a type of response post that is primarily a subset of the contents of another post, and often has a citation of that other post https://indieweb.org/quotebacks
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[manton] I like Quotebacks. I have a forked copy of it in http://Micro.blog too. But I agree it would be nice if it was a little more lightweight.
# [social] [manton] when I was looking at this a few years back I looked at what you had done as a good step in the right direction.
# [social] There were also slightly different approaches done by some in the UK on blogs I follow that were slimmed down a bit.
# [social] I think I want to see what I get without JS (even just for a better blockquote design than I have, so it won’t frustrate me). Then look at what other steps.
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# [snarfed] oh nm, you all meant https://quotebacks.net/ specifically
# [social] Going back to my notes from 2020 and 2023 about quotebacks, I’m seeing related posts on blogs saying Chrome deprecated the methods used by the quotebacks plug-in. This sort of explains why a few of the sites that used to have quotebacks for blockquotes are now back to very plain / naked blockquotes.
# [social] When I’ve looked at Quotebacks in the past I have a workflow where I’m capturing the same information that I put in my notes in markdown that gets turned into blockquotes when go through my publish the note to the web workflow.
# [social] It is sad to see the sites I like that do a lot of quoting / referencing others (as one show) and having a nice common UI for blockquotes that uses the “cite” attribute in blockquote, but ancillary information, which is surfaced. The display and function in blog posts should still remain (optimally) if the tool goes away.
# [social] The seemingly lack of permanence of Quotebacks concerned me when I first read about them in 2020, but I felt like I could be missing something. It seems to be ancillary impermanence.
# [social] The cross-compat is a real issue with a lot of web extentions and canteleavering.
# [social] This turn back to Quotebacks was started when posted to my blog yesterday and the blockquote at the bottom had me swearing with how bad it looked and functioned. It is a remnant from an 2006 or 2008 CSS update that I wasn’t pleased with then, and now even far less pleased with.
# [social] I found Aaron’s notes on quotes and quotations (https://indieweb.org/quotation) and pulling that into my notes on blockquotes (of yore) and quotebacks. Also using my mess of a blockquote yesterday as fodder for my lab work.
# [social] My personal notes have a lot of markdown quotes in them and it is one minor thing that holds me back from easy posting from notes (the want to fix my blockquotes).
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# [schmarty] Ooooh yeah. I've been dealing with a pile of these for work. If you use Google-shortened URLs, they're about to break! https://www.theverge.com/news/713125/google-url-shortener-links-shutdown-deadline
# [schmarty] (Doesn't apply to Google-app-generated shortlinks. For example, share links from Google Photos.)
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