#dev 2025-10-22

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@MeritzPress
Where a flower blooms tonight, Devout and purple, With a rift for a hollow power, That shivers it springs from a root - from Pluck At The Offering, Barbarity. Free excerpts. Order at http://amzn.to/2CF8fts or kindle http://amzn.to/2CV3tw4 #poem #poet #writer #indieauth
(twitter.com/_/status/1603392447178063873)
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barnaby
[edit] users of taproot/indieauth with the default forms now get a much nicer looking authorization page https://i.imgur.com/NA6m3rK.png
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barnaby
[edit] taproot/indieauth now shows client app author information on the consent screen, if available https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/968350/197263996-f863a7b7-1288-41dd-93e6-b0ba1f6909b0.png
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jacky
[edit] considering this my "IndieAuth completion" certificate lol https://imgur.com/a/Whq0qFM
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Loqi
[edit] #midnightbound #matedbymidnight #jessicaawayne #heatherhildenbrand #wolf #shifter #curse #witch #indieauth (https://twitter.com/_/status/1590343643193303041)
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@MeritzPress
Where a flower blooms tonight, Devout and purple, With a rift for a hollow power, That shivers it springs from a root - from Pluck At The Offering, Barbarity. Free excerpts. Order at http://amzn.to/2CF8fts or kindle http://amzn.to/2CV3tw4 #poem #poet #writer #indieauth
(twitter.com/_/status/1618740325148663809)
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Loqi
[edit] [@jackyalcine] ↩️ I know, I know. I'm late. But I'm live now at http://jacky.wtf/twitch!
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@MeritzPress
Where a flower blooms tonight, Devout and purple, With a rift for a hollow power, That shivers it springs from a root - from Pluck At The Offering, Barbarity. Free excerpts. Order at http://amzn.to/2CF8fts or kindle http://amzn.to/2CV3tw4 #literature #writer #indieauth
(twitter.com/_/status/1559514068091805698)
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@frankmeeuwsen
↩️ Maak van je eigen site een identiteitsprovider voor sites die dat ondersteunen. Zoals inloggen met Twitter , Facebook of Google. Maar dan met je eigen domein. Zie https://diggingthedigital.com/indieauth-wordpress/
(twitter.com/_/status/1490584315524268036)
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Loqi
[preview] [Frank Meeuwsen] Hoe gebruik je IndieAuth met WordPressDit is het tweede artikel in een serie (hier is deel 1) waarin ik je wil uitleggen hoe je met een WordPress site gebruik kunt maken van de diverse IndieWeb plugins. Zoals het kunnen inloggen op andere sites met j... https://diggingthedigital.com/wp-content/uploads/jason-pofahl-6AQY7pO1lS0-unsplash.jpg
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[tantek]
I was so excited that barnaby was back until I realized it was probably just a Discord bridge echo 😢
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[tantek]
AWS << Outage: 2025-10-21 Ars Technica: [https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/10/amazons-dns-problem-knocked-out-half-the-web-likely-costing-billions/ Amazon’s DNS problem knocked out half the web, likely costing billions] / Amazon’s outage is over. But backlash over billions in losses has just started.
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Loqi
ok, I added "Outage: 2025-10-21 Ars Technica: [https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/10/amazons-dns-problem-knocked-out-half-the-web-likely-costing-billions/ Amazon’s DNS problem knocked out half the web, likely costing billions] / Amazon’s outage is over. But backlash over billions in losses has just started." to the "See Also" section of /Amazon_Web_Services https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=105296&oldid=105279
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[tantek]
AWS << ^ <blockquote>… worst outage since last year’s CrowdStrike chaos, Amazon’s outage caused “global turmoil,” … more than 28 AWS services were disrupted … apps like [[Snapchat]], [[Signal]], and [[Reddit]] went dark. Flights got delayed. Banks and financial services went down. … Amazon’s own services were hit, too, including its e-commerce platform, [[Alexa]], and [[Prime Video]].</blockquote>
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Loqi
ok, I added "^ <blockquote>… worst outage since last year’s CrowdStrike chaos, Amazon’s outage caused “global turmoil,” … more than 28 AWS services were disrupted … apps like [[Snapchat]], [[Signal]], and [[Reddit]] went dark. Flights got delayed. Banks and financial services went down. … Amazon’s own services were hit, too, including its e-commerce platform, [[Alexa]], and [[Prime Video]].</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /Amazon_Web_Services https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=105298&oldid=105296
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[tantek]
[edit] Even the Wikipedia page has issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_(information_technology) though at least it seems to be general enough to not be coopted
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capjamesg
[snarfed]++ for all the help with granary yesterday!
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Loqi
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capjamesg
I was able to fix the bug in my web reader.
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jbcrn
oh capjamesg[d] i was able to log in on Artemis (using indieauth) even though I haven't signed up, though I can't do anything after that
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Loqi
[edit] It looks like we don't have a page for "bridgy fed doing to pick the domain it presents" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "bridgy fed doing to pick the domain it presents is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[aciccarello]
[edit] The only thing I'm seeing in the new spec is about 301 redirects. See "Basic Redirect" in this section https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#authorization-server-confirmation
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Loqi
[edit] ok, I added "A Twitter archive project for [[Eleventy]] https://github.com/tweetback/tweetback" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84561&oldid=84514
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[aciccarello]
[edit] I'm not sure how you'd configure it (maybe a name attribute on <link rel="authorization_endpoint">?) but yes being able to drop the subdomain on the username. For a mastodon example, I think Zach does this on https://fediverse.zachleat.com/@zachleat which appears as @zachleat@zachleat.com
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[chrisaldrich]
[edit] Twitter << A Twitter archive project for [[Eleventy]] https://github.com/tweetback/tweetback
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Loqi
Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "[edit] Twitter" or similar
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Loqi
[preview] Zach Leatherman :11ty:
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[snarfed]
[edit] https://fediverse.observer/stats#posts_growth says ~600M fediverse posts per month, works out to ~225 per second. substantial, but doable
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gRegor
[edit] The prefix tells parsers how to find the value, more on https://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-prefixes
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gRegor
[edit] Thought I was just reminded of https://indieweb.org/rel-author#Questions, which I'm not sure how applicable that still is
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rubenwardy
[edit] should h-feed also be on tag pages, such as https://blog.rubenwardy.com/tags/projects/ ? Should the u-url be the tag page or the blog homepage?
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gRegor
[edit] Note in https://indieweb.org/authorship-spec#Algorithm we recommend against rel-author for new sites/posts (mentioned in step 6)
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Loqi
[edit] Micropub is an open API standard (W3C Recommendation) for creating, editing, and deleting posts on websites, like on your own domain, supported by numerous third-party clients, CMSs, and social readers https://indieweb.org/micropub
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[timothy_chambe]
[edit] Agree with everything he's saying, except the idea that Subtack is anything but marginally better than Twitter at helping you "own your own platform." https://twitter.com/hamishmckenzie/status/1587849734181425152
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Loqi
[edit] Personally I don’t want to host some WordPress:esque service. I want it to be my generated static site so that I don’t have to worry about hosting that much. (https://twitter.com/_/status/1587914427009228800)
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@hamishmckenzie
The problem isn’t that Elon Musk owns Twitter – it’s that you don’t. We shouldn’t have to freak out about a dictator taking over a vast digital empire. People should control platforms rather than the other way round.
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capjamesg
Oooh thank you for flagging.
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capjamesg
Did it work if you signed up first then signed in?
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jbcrn
I don't have an invite code as I'm just testing my indieauth server with different apps
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capjamesg
You can sign up with the invite code "coffee" if you'd like!
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[KevinMarks]
There Are No Girls on the Internet: Can BlackSky Fix What Twitter Broke Using Bluesky Tech?
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[KevinMarks]
Actual podcast link rather than whatever silo that was
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jbcrn
capjamesg[d] tried to sign up using indieauth, it says server error (code: `zVuRn2qsFPMI`)
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[jeremycherfas]
Everything seems to be down here, including downforeveryone Might be local, as I can get through to Slack in my phone.
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[tantek]
What is curl
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Loqi
cURL is a common *nix software library and command line tool, used to get/send requests to a URL using only HTTP(S) https://indieweb.org/cURL
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[tantek]
Curl << why/documentation: https://justuse.org/curl/
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Loqi
ok, I added "why/documentation: https://justuse.org/curl/" to the "See Also" section of /cURL https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=105301&oldid=87110
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[tantek]
Speaking of cURL, the creator / maintainer was awarded a national gold medal! https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2025/10/21/a-royal-gold-medal/
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[tantek]
Open source goals, can you imagine?
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GWG
I may need some advice on a indieauth matter, but I don't want to discuss it in a logged place.
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GWG
aaronpk: Could I prevail on you?
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[tantek]
GWG, #indieweb-random is probably good for that
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[tantek]
FYI for Windows users/developers: https://thehackernews.com/2025/10/analysing-clickfix-3-reasons-why.html (note image in link preview)
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capjamesg
Idea: pi versioning system.
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capjamesg
Every new version has a new digit of pi.
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capjamesg
3.1, 3.1.4, 3.1.4.1, etc.
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[artlung]
I like it.1.4
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.pi.r2.
capjamesg[d] TeX
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.pi.r2.
Since version 3, TeX has used an idiosyncratic version numbering system, where updates have been indicated by adding an extra digit at the end of the decimal, so that the version number asymptotically approaches π. This is a reflection of the fact that TeX is now very stable, and only minor updates are anticipated. The current version of TeX is 3.141592653; it was last updated in 2021.
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capjamesg
Oh wow haha
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[tantek]
lol that's very Knuth
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[tantek]
capjamesg++ for reinventing the same version numbering system that only Knuth has previously 😂
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Loqi
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aaronpk
Client ID Metadata Document was a hit at IIW! Standing room only in one of the big rooms
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[snarfed]
woo congrats aaronpk!
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[snarfed]
on upload banner, I got Internal error
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[tantek]
aaronpk++ congrats!
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Loqi
aaronpk has 48 karma in this channel over the last year (127 in all channels)
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GWG
aaronpk: Is there video?
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aaronpk
No video
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aaronpk
There will be notes
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aaronpk
So funny because I tried talking about this at IIW many years ago and got crickets
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[tantek]
you had to wait for the blockchain bubble to burst
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GWG
But it makes me wonder...how many indieauth clients aren't compatible with newer revisions to the spec?
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GWG
As in, who hasn't gotten to server metadata?
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GWG
Is WordPress no longer being backward compatible going to be an issue?
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GWG
With older indieauth specs. Not putting this in the WordPress room as I think it's an indieauth adoption question
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GWG
Maybe I need a gradual plan to move from no messages to nags to no support
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GWG
I'm specifically thinking about the 2020 changes, not the 2022 yet.. five years should be enough, right?
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capjamesg
aaronpk++
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Loqi
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