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[KevinMarks] If you only care about a limited area you can trim down the gazetteer a lot. The challenge is always what people think of as local. The best option is to give them a choice
# [KevinMarks] Human boundaries are not based on geo distance but on their sense of belonging
# [KevinMarks] Also, if you want a client geo display, leaflet.js is really good
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[aciccarello] You can switch the direction of how it is visually displayed. But that wouldn't apply to parsers or accessibility tooling.
# [aciccarello] If it is a flex container you can use that.
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osteophage I was about to say, if I'm understanding you right that sounds like flexbox.
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# [KevinMarks] With CSS grid you can do more complex block positioning - you define grid areas and say which blocks go into each one. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Reference/Properties/grid-template-areas
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[Murray] For a small personal tool, both techniques are fine, but also be aware that changing flow order from DOM order has a lot of accessibility concerns attached to it; in other words, if you start using Flex or Grid to rearrange items on the page, that only works for sighted people, everyone else still reads them in the original order
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# [KevinMarks] Flow order should make sense and is the fallback, and a single column flow is often the right answer for mobile, but hoisting secondary content into sidebars is a reasonable approach too.
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# [Mike_Mai] if you code everything with logical properties and units, everything will convert automatically to rtl or other writing directions.
# [Mike_Mai] i would say don't use `dir=rtl` if you are not designing for specific languages. what others have said about grid and flex is good.
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capjamesg [edit] TIL about https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/console/table_static !
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rMdes to continue on this : https://chat.indieweb.org/2026-01-27/1769533126796700
# rMdes I'm not sure if @ is around but I submited a PR to his indiekit repo, for the microsub endpoint, its more than 6K lines of codes and i basically including everything, the entire microsub spec https://rmendes.net/content/articles/2026-01-24-deploy-your-own-indieweb-site/
# [tantek]1 presumably @ you mean [Paul_Robert_Ll]?
# rMdes I still have to improve how the /microsub/reader feels like when on desktop, but its working great using Monocle or Indiepass
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# [tantek]1 I think there's a mix. Some folks have a public "subscribed feeds list" or OPML file or blogroll
# [tantek]1 I think that's how blogrolls started: here's a list of everyone's blogs I'm following (in a reader or browser)
# rMdes i'm such a big fan of RSS, so this page on my blog is mostly a public rss feed reader https://rmendes.net/news/
# [tantek]1 interesting. that's a good distinction. like you have a "reader blog roll" and a "social blog roll"
# [tantek]1 the latter being the sites you know you "interact with ... from indiepass or monocole without having to think if yes or not the blog owner would see my reactions"
# rMdes this page https://rmendes.net/interactions/ was also fun to make, separating the webmentions I create to other's content, from the ones my content is getting from people outside, either from bluesky/mastodon or their own blog (which is rare around me)
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# [Al_Abut] Kottke has something similar I think, but it’s a widget on the home page instead of a dedicated page as far as I can tell.
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# [aciccarello] btrem, I think you need the `nvm use 25` command
# [aciccarello] IIRC, nvm installing a version is different than making it the current version
# [aciccarello] Actually, I could be wrong about that. It says "now using node v25"...
# [aciccarello] Oh, I see. You want to change the default?
# [aciccarello] You probably want to run `nvm alias default 25`
# [aciccarello] There is also a bash integration to look for `.nvmrc` files which can be helpful when managing versions between different projects. https://github.com/nvm-sh/nvm?tab=readme-ov-file#calling-nvm-use-automatically-in-a-directory-with-a-nvmrc-file
# [aciccarello] I agree it is unexpected but I think the creators of nvm viewed managing more than one version of node as the primary use case rather than a special case.
# [aciccarello] Totally fair 😅
# [aciccarello] If you have a project that needs an old version of node and another project which needs a newer node version, you can use nvm to seamlessly run them both.
# [aciccarello] At some point the nodejs website started recommending using nvm. But I don't think the tool's documentation is friendly enough to be the default.
# [aciccarello] Brew is another option for installing if you use that
# [aciccarello] I think it's available on linux but I know it is more of a macOS thing
# [tantek]1 I have forgotten too many package managers. I like "scp" as my package manager
# [tantek]1 wherever I need to
# [tantek]1 that's the beauty of it, I can setup partial subsets of whatever I need to work on wherever and incrementally update things as needed
# [tantek]1 scp is built-in. no need to "install" yet another package manager in every location I want to change things from
# [tantek]1 those are good ways to develop open source yes. "compiled" or usable as is (single text files), copied from a public resource (GitHub), and forward/backward compatible dependencies with predictable behaviors
# [tantek]1 browsers update themselves, they don't use package managers, so not sure we're talking about the same thing. shrug
# [tantek]1 users typically no need to install a package manager to update their browser so your example doesn't make sense. yes Firefox should be updating itself
# [tantek]1 same for Chrome, Safari, Edge etc.
# [tantek]1 anyway in the indieweb context (which is why we're in this channel) you can totally do open source (or even your own closed source) that works one file at a time with scp
# [tantek]1 and frankly, it's more "indie" not having to depend on a giant fragile dependency mess
# [tantek]1 more robuts, less admintax, more longevity (antifragile) etc
# [tantek]1 node-- frankly and also npm--
# [tantek]1 unless you like that as a hobby
# [tantek]1 Firefox updates itself. Menu > Firefox > About Firefox > ( Update to .... )
# [tantek]1 similarly, operating systems update themselves through their own UI, not a random package manager UI
# [tantek]1 no interest in getting on the npm update / fix breakages treadmill. no thanks
# [tantek]1 that is a typical random package manager UI - command line
# [tantek]1 that sounds like an Ubuntu decision, not an indieweb decision 🤷
# [tantek]1 no that was not at all the point
# [tantek]1 they are orthogonal, that is the point
# [tantek]1 choose whatever OS you want! doesn't matter, they all work with the web
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# [tantek]1 point being, plumbing details of your OS (and maintenance thereof) have no need to have any bearing on indieweb choices.
# [tantek]1 i'm not hear to argue hardware, or OS, or browser decisions, those are all to each person as they see fit
# [tantek]1 me saying they are orthogonal does not mean they are "indie enough" or not — orthogonal is saying those other choices are irrelevant to your indieweb choices
# [tantek]1 there's also a huge difference between someone saying "X is not for me" (which is what I'm saying), and saying "X is not for anyone" (which is somehow what you are hearing)
# [tantek]1 I don't like marzipan, I'm not saying no one should eat marzipan. Interpreting the former as the latter is misreading at best
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# [aciccarello] Sorry to hear that btrem, I hope the chat can be more helpful for you in the future. Definitely focus on building the life/web you want.
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# [aciccarello] I'm personally very glad to have the node ecosystem. But it does have a lot of rough edges...
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