#dev 2026-03-30
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junongx Oh wow these made me feel bad. I've focused so much on technicality and forgot to have a personality
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gRegor [Michael_Kupiet], with Bridgy Fed, `u-featured` is for the profile header image, so BF looks for it in the h-card. BF doesn't do anything with `u-featured` within individual entries afaik. Docs: https://fed.brid.gy/docs#web-profile
# gRegor If you want an image in the post itself, that's u-photo: https://fed.brid.gy/docs#web-image
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[KevinMarks] This is interestingly indieauth adjacent https://bsky.app/profile/timburks.me/post/3mi4tcundy22a
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# [Michael_Kupiet] [gRegorLove] thanks, I actually got it worked out. I don't know if this is the intended functionality or a glitch, but BF accepts `<link class="u-featured" itemprop="image" href="_[image url]_">` in the h-entry, as successfully used for this post: https://bsky.app/profile/michaelkupietz.com.web.brid.gy/post/3miac7sqrw6w2 I didn't go with `u-photo` because I saw https://github.com/microformats/h-entry/issues/24, which said that
# [Michael_Kupiet] `u-photo` means the title is considered a caption and the content is considered a description of the photo—generally, a photo or gallery post. INB4: the `itemprop` is there in the link because an answer on SO said `<link>` is only valid in `<body>` with an `itemprop`.
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[tantek] Kupietz try dropping the itemprop and seeing if http://validator.w3.org complains or not. I wouldn't trust anything SO says about what is "valid" or not "valid"
# [Michael_Kupiet] [tantek] Confirmed, http://validator.nu wants `itemprop`, `property`, or `rel` on the link element, although this may be a general requirement, not just for having a `link` in the body, I didn't test that. No complaint with `itemprop` included. Interestingly, it also throws an error for `<a hidden="from-humans">`, which I copied directly off of examples on https://fed.brid.gy/docs.
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# [Michael_Kupiet] ....although apparently some web standards advocates disagree with http://validator.nu on that. 😜 https://tantek.com/2023/302/t1/indiewebcamp-completed-projects
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# [KevinMarks] That theme is derivative of this mosaic: https://bsky.app/profile/drnwillburger.bsky.social/post/3mib3mapkgc2t
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# [Schepp] Pretty pleased with it as well! 🙂 There is even some kind of (Chromium-only) Easter Egg in it, about which I've written here: https://schepp.dev/posts/turning-css-carousels-into-a-theme-switcher/
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[capjamesg] I have just added Micropub to my website. My implementation only supports posts and notes right now, and doesn’t support image uploads, but it’s a start and enough for what I need!
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# [capjamesg] I am using [benji]’s Sparkles right now.
# [capjamesg] https://jamesg.blog/design-bookmarks is now powered by bookmarks created via Micropub ✨
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# [Pierre_Carrier] I think I have built the best remote terms out there, and they're web-based 😄
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# [capjamesg] Has anyone spent time thinking about how to design permalinks for bookmarks?
# [capjamesg] I am using UUIDs right now but they are kind of… ugly.
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# junongx How much control do you have over the bookmarked urls? Slug as metadata seems the obvious choice for this
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# [capjamesg] I have full control so I can design them however I want, but I’m not sure how yet.
# [capjamesg] `/bookmarks/<uuid>` isn’t particularly intuitive.
# [capjamesg] I also don’t want to include site author’s names in the URL.
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# [tantek] capjamesg, short answer, posts are posts. Bookmarks aren't special and don't deserve a special path segment. The rest is in /URL_design
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# [capjamesg] Oooh that’s a good idea!
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[artlung] I like my md5's for bookmarks (likes under /like/ ) ... in terms of volatility I didn't account for maybe a canonical url changing so that's still a todo. I also don't want to put author identity/name or domain in the bookmark url. But also I'm not particularly sharing them as bookmarks I want to amplify.
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CrowderSoup My blogs software is designed similarly aaronpk, in that "posts are posts".
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# CrowderSoup URLs are all at `/blog/post/<slug>` though, because there was a time when I thought I might have `/blog/<type>/<slug>`.
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# CrowderSoup Yeah, just update the router (it's Django, so that's easy) and add a handler at the old route that does a redirect to the new URL
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# [Michael_Kupiet] [capjamesg] my permalinks are all WordPress's post IDs... <https://d|https://>http://michaelkupietz.com/?p=12345 . Historically I've shuffled things around a little too often to rely on prettyurls, although I've calmed down a lot about that. The site redirects the ?p= permalinks to prettyurls. Anyone who wants to bookmark via the prettyurl is free to copy it out of the browser address bar; but it may not work forever. The ?p=
# [Michael_Kupiet] permalink will.
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NegateThis Is anyone successfully using Bridgy Fed's new standard.site integration?
# [Michael_Kupiet] what is ogp
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Loqi The Open Graph protocol (OGP) is an open* standard developed and controlled by Facebook for expressing the primary subject of an HTML page in custom <meta> tags for the purpose of Facebook showing link previews; in practice only a couple are even sometimes necessary for that use-case, and you can use existing open standards instead https://indieweb.org/ogp
# [Michael_Kupiet] [Gregor], no, it's not, if I'm understanding you correctly. If I don't use the u-featured link, or don't format it correctly, I don't get the preview image.
# [Michael_Kupiet] In fact I had the u-featured link point to the 150x150 scaled-down thumbnail image, not the actual post featured image, and BSky picked up the scaled-down image.
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# gRegor Huh, I'm confused them. I don't seem to see in the BF logs where it found the featured image. https://fed.brid.gy/web/michaelkupietz.com
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# [Michael_Kupiet] Yeah, I don't really know much about BF. I just wanted to be able to tag things and get them in #indieweb-stream so I set it up. But you can see, for instance https://michaelkupietz.com/bf-test-9/ which has the same featured image in full resolution, but when I posted it it passed the 150x150 thumbnail as `u-featured`, and the BlueSky post picked up that one instead of the featured image.
# [Michael_Kupiet] https://bsky.app/profile/michaelkupietz.com.web.brid.gy/post/3miaat6a5zda2 (Note that as the u-featured is dynamically generated on page display, it no longer references the 150x150 thumbnail, that's just the way it was when BF picked it up.)
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# [artlung] I updated my bookmarklet which checks for webmentions of the current http://indieweb.org page to also inject a `<form>` tag which lets folks input a source url. https://lab.artlung.com/indieweb-org-webmention-bookmarklet/
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# [KevinMarks] Great indieweb energy here https://brittanyellich.com/atproto
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# [KevinMarks] My notes from Dan in London https://kevinmarks.com/atprotolondon
# [capjamesg] Re: the link [snarfed] posted in #indieweb. You could do the same thing with microformats right?
# [KevinMarks] [snarfed] did you make it to #AtmosphereConf?
# [KevinMarks] You could, yes, but atproto has the momentum at the moment
# [KevinMarks] I want to spend some time on http://standard.site
# [KevinMarks] It feels like they're just missing actual interop
# [KevinMarks] It feels like they're just missing actual interop
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# [snarfed] [KevinMarks] lol yeah http://standard.site is crazy. they made lexicons for docs, and publications, and subscriptions, but punted on standardizing the actual doc contents 🤦♂️
# [KevinMarks] I have a lot of FOMO - Boris has always been good at convening the interesting people
# [KevinMarks] I think they need a rendered.content that is (constrained) HTML and a rendered.style that is CSS but they may all be too React-pilled
# [KevinMarks] Also they need version history. People edit longform posts.
# [capjamesg] What is the best way to get involved with the AT Proto community?
# [KevinMarks] We could help them preserve their weird facets as spans with classes mf2 style
# [KevinMarks] The conf sessions will be up soon. The protocols have good docs now at https://atproto.com/
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# [snarfed] [capjamesg] yes! read the docs, watch the conference talks, then join the discord, https://discord.gg/3srmDsHSZJ
# [capjamesg] Ooh I’ll keep my eyes on the conference talks. Thank you!!
# [KevinMarks] That was a lot of the FOMO, I haven't seen Amber and Brad and Erin in too long, but going to the London meetup I met a lot of the new young keen ones
# [capjamesg] Are there any talk in particular that are worth watching?
# [capjamesg] *talks
# [KevinMarks] Did you meet Aendra, snarfed?
# [KevinMarks] While I was at Ben's pfp
# [snarfed] [capjamesg] maybe start with last year's if they're up. "state of the protocol" from both years and "atproto ethos" are good. that one is also a post: https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-ethos
# [KevinMarks] Oops. While I was at Ben's pfp thing the http://standard.site chap was surprised by the flow of new posts because you had just turned bridgy on
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# [KevinMarks] I think there is a bit of HTML aversion because Paul Frazee had built a browser before atproto
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# [snarfed] hah yes! we should have coordinated our http://standard.site launch better
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# [capjamesg] https://protomaps.com/ looks interesting
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[aciccarello] ↩️ artlung, since it already notices pages supporting web mentions, I'd love to add this feature to Omnibear!
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# [KevinMarks] That's encouraging - the facets stuff was giving me Wave and GWT flashbacks
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# [Michael_Kupiet] That's neat, James. I've often enjoyed making maps, ever since I was exposed to the map of Swindon packaged in in XTC's "Go2" Album during my formative years. http://chalkhills.org/reelbyreal/a_Go_2.html#prettyPhoto[group]/15/