#dev 2026-04-17

2026-04-17 UTC
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burgeonlab [Kupietz]: Great job for improving the site to be usable and friendly for JS disabled users. It'll be perfect timing for Naked JS Day!
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[tantek] when is naked JS day?
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Loqi No upcoming naked JS day events found. Want to organize one? https://events.indieweb.org/
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burgeonlab April 24 https://js-naked-day.org/
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[tantek] If anyone is participating with their personal sites please feel free to create an event on http://events.indieweb.org for it!
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[Kupietz] @burgeonlab Well, the sitemap is ready for JS naked day... can't say much about the rest of the site... 😉 I might try to get it so "embed mode" rewrites all the URLs so you can browse the entire site in it. Will probably happen, although I don't know if it'll be in the next week or tow.
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burgeonlab [Kupietz]: Brilliant! Good job starting with the sitemap. It's quite a useful way to start exploring your site. ;)
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exxxxkc well my new site dont have js anyway
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mauro Hello everyone, I'm working on a personal site based from a template and have found it v. interesting, but I'm struggling to understand how Webmentions are supposed to work. Am I right to believe that they seem to depend on a separate server/service?
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superkuh MrModem, to receive webmentions you have to be able to process HTTP POST requests sent to the webmention endpoint.
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superkuh And then you have to GET the actual webmention URL they submit and download the HTML to check to make sure it links back to you.
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superkuh The first bit of that *can* be done with just a webserver making a log file of POSTs for a URL/endpoint.
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superkuh But the second does require *something* of a program actively GET'ing and parsing.
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superkuh Many people chose to use a third party service to receive webmentions because that's simpler if you're used to just working web frontend/javascript stuff.
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MrModem Cool, that's the biggest thing I wanted clarified. Thank you. Is data migratable from the most popular 3rd party service? I'm not against relying on one of those if they're fairly friendly to users choosing to roll their own solutions later.
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aaronpk webmention.io? it has an API you can use to get all your webmentions out. there's no "export" button tho
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MrModem I bet the API will be enough
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MrModem Good time to dust my curl skills
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[tantek] MrModem++ welcome and great alias 📞
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Loqi MrModem has 1 karma over the last year
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ZodiacalComet MrModem++ Minimalism for the win
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Loqi MrModem has 2 karma over the last year
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burgeonlab MrModem: That sound pattern played in my head the moment I saw MrModem++
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Loqi MrModem has 3 karma over the last year
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btrem I posted a feature request for read-only contact lists in Thunderbird. But apparently one has to be logged in to see it. Can anyone confirm? https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/read-only-address-books/idc-p/122118
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[schmarty] This should give us a lot to think about https://f.matdoes.dev/notice/B5MVd4KD0Oh5Rfwaoq
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Loqi [preview] [mta] i wrote an internet standard https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-meow-mrrp-00.html (it's published on ietf.org so you know it's real and official and endorsed by the ietf)
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btrem What?
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aaronpk ha
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btrem I don't quite get what's going on here. Is the author trolling the IETF?
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aaronpk we're going to later learn that it's actually a real document encoded with the number of and casing of the meows
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btrem ha
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aaronpk probably not trolling, more pointing out that just because it's on ietf.org doesn't make it official
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[schmarty] Meow mew mrrp miao !
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[snarfed] seems misguided. anyone can write and file an IETF draft, it's been like that forever. showing up on http://ietf.org doesn't mean any kind of approval or other endoresement
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[snarfed] (afaik)
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aaronpk only recently have the datatracker pages had this banner https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-meow-mrrp/
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aaronpk "This I-D is not endorsed by the IETF and has no formal standing in the IETF standards process"
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[snarfed] good banner
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[tantek] Heh
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[Kupietz] Um, that Meow protocol is going to cause serious serious conflicts if someone tries to interface it with RFC 1149 Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers.
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[snarfed] evidently I just can't take a joke 😆
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btrem I think my earlier comment got lost. Any chance anyone could try to open the connect.mozilla link and see if it's publicly viewable?
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[tantek] yeah it redirected me to a login prompt
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btrem Well that's crappy. It was accepted with a "new idea" tag. But now it's unreachable. Hard to spread the idea with that status. :(
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[tantek] it might being evaluated? not totally sure how that works. I can try to look into it
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btrem I suspect it's because I made the mistake of editing the text after posting it, just minor grammar changes.
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btrem I can understand that connect would want to take safeguards to prevent someone e.g. adding spam after an idea was accepted. But then why offer the edit workflow at all?
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btrem sighs
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[tantek] these are all good questions and unfortunately I don't have answers 😔
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btrem No, I didn't expect anyone here to have answers. Sorry, just venting my frustration.
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[Kupietz] Ok, getting far afield here, but I'll just say, that Meow proposal is still a draft, and already... https://nypost.com/2026/04/16/us-news/pilots-under-investigation-for-meowing-barking-on-air-traffic-control-frequency-be-professional/
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btrem Which just adds to my general frustration with CardDAV/CalDAV. I continue to be amazed at how difficult it is to do accomplish a task so common and obvious.
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gRegor cat << https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-meow-mrrp/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-meow-mrrp/" to the "See Also" section of /cat https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=110170&oldid=100389
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gRegor got a particularly good chuckle from the Requirements Language section, all the variations in quotes and the "-X" ones, haha
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aaronpk lol excellent addition to the /cat page
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gRegor In the replies "I RFC what you did there" hahaha
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Loqi nice
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[tantek] huh, seems to be missing anything about Security which feels like a pretty glaring omission for something related to cats
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[tantek] at least they could have put in a warning to beware of CATS: All your base are belong to us
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[artlung] what Wikipedia disambiguation page is longest or has the most subsections, or both, and is it “Cat?” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_(disambiguation)
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[Kupietz] If I'm not mistaken, the part about "meow meow meow" means they've moved every zig.
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