#dev 2026-09-09

2026-09-09 UTC
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[0x3b0b] That's interesting. The term "throwback" as described in the wiki would neither occur to me as a possible term for what it describes, nor communicate that meaning to me without my reading that page, but does kinda make sense to me after reading it.
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aaronpk i feel like it was a very popular social media trend a while ago
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gRegor Yeah, most likely from Throwback Thursday https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/throwback-thursday
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[artlung] The app I've seen folks use is Timehop. https://www.timehop.com/ https://indieweb.org/Special:LinkSearch?target=timehop.com
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[tantek] Thought we had a page on that
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[tantek] What is Timehop
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Loqi Timehop is a mobile app that connects to your social silos and personal cell phone data and displays a unified on this day of photos & posts you made on the current day in previous years https://indieweb.org/Timehop
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[artlung] It's a neat trick to not link to Timehop on the timehop page. But cool!
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[tantek] huh, likely an unintentional/innocent omission, probably from back when we weren't linking the terms in dfns to anything.
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[artlung] The wiki is a work in progress. I’ll likely look tomorrow. First; 💤
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[0x3b0b] That helps a little with the context of how the term became popularized. I suppose what it amounts to is that I had a narrower idea in my head of what constitutes a "throwback" which did not generalize (as it seems to me like the wiki does) to "here's something I wrote or a picture I took a while ago." I'm having difficulty defining _to myself_ what that narrower idea is.
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[0x3b0b] The best I've got so far is that it required either explicitly _contrasting_ something characteristic of its time with how things are now, or _comparing_ something that happened recently and that one might expect to be rare - or that some folks might think was new - with something similar that happened in the past.
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[0x3b0b] So, for example, a gallery of photos from a while ago or a travelogue that wasn't posted when the travel was still recent would not previously have brought the term "throwback" to mind for me without some explicit comparison, even a brief one, to the present. I'll have to see whether this context changes how I think of the word or not.
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[trovster] My "on-this-day" showing all my previous content is one of my favourite pages. I visit it every morning. https://www.trovster.com/on-this-day
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thamara_k [trovster]++ really cool
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tdrayson https://taylordrayson.com/on-this-day I have one but a slightly different layout to [trovster]. I do love your version though!
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rnkn 920-line code refactor completed!
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tdrayson What were you refactoring?
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rnkn my web platform app
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[edent] ↩️ Likewise! https://shkspr.mobi/blog/on-this-day/
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[edent] ↩️ I also go through and update any broken links.
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Loqi [preview] Terence Eden
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[trovster] ↩️ Ditto! Such a sad state of affairs. Today I saw the Vimeo article on Medium I mentioned has gone…
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doesnm wait eden in indieweb? wow!
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doesnm i'm your fan
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[capjamesg] https://ronaldsvilcins.com/2026/08/30/native-html-and-css-features-that-replaced-javascript/ is cool (via Adactio)
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[tantek] Nice framing
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[capjamesg] [social] Re: the permalink discussion at HWC. Is there a history to IDs being used in permalinks?
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[capjamesg] My university uses URLs with IDs liberally, and I wonder if it is a preference (keeps citations shorter) or a technical limitation with the LMS they use.
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[snarfed] hey [aaronpk] mind if I ask you an OAuth question? happy to ask wherever else if not here
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[snarfed] (specifically re the OAuth 2 JWT profile)
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aaronpk sure
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aaronpk has been dealing with JWTs a lot lately
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[social] [capjamesg] I’m not fully following
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[snarfed] ok so. let me see if I can describe this right...
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[snarfed] I'm building an ATProto OAuth server, and I found some interesting bits in existing clients that seem to be non-compliant because they over-fit on the reference PDS
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[snarfed] one big example is that exp is a MUST in client assertions, but the reference PDS evidently doesn't check that, so some ATProto clients don't provide it
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[social] Ah, I think I’m tracking now. IDs in permalinks are relatively common as a formal term may change and the link to category where the term has changed (which can be relatively common allows the link to still work). The other side of it is with multi-term categories and how to display those in permalinks often turns into long discussions, which often just turn into, “let’s just use the ID”.
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[snarfed] so I'm considering allowing missing exp too, even though it's a MUST. so I'm wondering, if I have replay prevention based on single-use jti, and I require iat and check its freshness, is my security posture roughly equivalent with or without exp?
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aaronpk oh boy, the fun of a single implementation becoming the defacto standard
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[snarfed] as always
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[snarfed] I've already told those clients, so maybe they'll add exp 🤷
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[snarfed] eg https://github.com/graze-social/aip/issues/64
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aaronpk conceptually, an iat with freshness check is equivalent to an exp check, except that the client doesn't decide the freshness window
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[snarfed] right
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[snarfed] I should probably check first that those clients send `iat` 😁
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aaronpk iat is optional, i didn't realize that
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[social] Dealing with a lot of Java development environments JWTs have been heavily used for 8 to 10 years or so. The Go developers seemed to have leaned into JWTs in the last 5 years or so.
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[capjamesg] [social] ++ thank you for the description.
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Loqi +1
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[social] [capjamesg] The academic world and sciences have a lot of flux in category naming changes (lexicographical drift).
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IWDiscord <e​xtralongdivision>
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extralongdivision Also my site is static and I'd like to keep it like that, at least for the time being. PESOS seems like my best option. Curious if others have devised a solution.
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extralongdivision Are there examples of people POSSEing long form video content? The only way I can think of truly owning your videos is hosting a PeerTube instance.
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[tantek] depends, if you're ok with CC licensing your videos, you can post the video file on Internet Archive then embed on your personal site. seems less work/resources than hosting PeerTube
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[snarfed] it's also entirely possible to host them yourself. videos can get big, but disk is cheap, and if you want to optimize serving, CDNs can also be pretty cheap
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[snarfed] and static vs dynamic site doesn't necessarily matter, right? if you have a way to upload files/media, eg images, that should work for videos too
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aaronpk you can even do the fancy chunked segment thing on static hosting! you don't need to upload a single 3gb+ file
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extralongdivision [tantek]: CC is fine, and IA would be much easier than PeerTube. While its terrifying to think about, IA could suffer a site death. Starting there is worth considering
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extralongdivision [snarfed]: A CDN + size optimized video files might be the solution.
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extralongdivision aaronpk: Good point about chunking. I suspect people smarter than me have devised efficient ways to do this.
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aaronpk there's some scripts on the wiki somewhere
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aaronpk what is video?
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Loqi video is a type of post whose primary content is a video file https://indieweb.org/Video
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extralongdivision tantek++
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aaronpk this: https://indieweb.org/streaming#How_to_publish_a_video_for_streaming_from_your_own_website
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extralongdivision snarfed++
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extralongdivision aaronpk++
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extralongdivision aaronpk: This looks perfect!
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