#dev 2026-10-20

2026-10-20 UTC
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[capjamesg] Me: why isn’t my code working?
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[capjamesg] Also me: ah, it’s in the wrong place!
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[capjamesg] Have there been any discussions on following multilingual websites?
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[capjamesg] I am experimenting with a feature in my web reader to add a language code to the starts of titles where the language is not English (because I only know English; users would be able to customise this of course):
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[capjamesg] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2026/10/dev-20261020-132201-screenshot_2026-10-20_at_14.20.42.png
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[capjamesg] I think this serves as a good visual distinction for me before I even start reading a title that the post is in a different language, so I’ll need to open it and use Firefox translate to read.
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[capjamesg] But I’m curious if there is prior art for this.
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[capjamesg] (Ideally I don’t want to translate the titles myself because then I’d need a heavy translation engine to do that work.)
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[KevinMarks] There is some prior art https://indieweb.org/multilingual_blogging
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[KevinMarks] There's also some microformats discussion from 20 years ago or so https://microformats.org/wiki/multilingual-brainstorming
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[KevinMarks] multilingual_blogging << https://microformats.org/wiki/multilingual-brainstorming
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Loqi ok, I added "https://microformats.org/wiki/multilingual-brainstorming" to the "See Also" section of /multilingual_blogging https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=114237&oldid=89080
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[capjamesg] Wow this could be a whole can of worms, yeah.
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[capjamesg] [KevinMarks]++ for the microformats wiki link!
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[KevinMarks] It was one of the ones where we looked at it and decided that the web already handled it and didn't need a new format.
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[KevinMarks] Though Google has been annoying and insisting that you should have a separate page for each language, and never mix them for years.
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[artlung] https://tilde.team/~zinricky/multilingualism/ and https://indieweb.org/events/2023-10-22-multilingual-websites come to mind
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[KevinMarks] While we're looking at this https://youtu.be/wdAT1P4fKXc?is=73cdqStoRsxNaDg
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[capjamesg] Ooh this looks great!
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[capjamesg] I will give this a watch.
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[KevinMarks] multilingual_blogging << https://youtu.be/wdAT1P4fKXc?is=73cdqStoRsxNaDg
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Loqi ok, I added "https://youtu.be/wdAT1P4fKXc?is=73cdqStoRsxNaDg" to the "See Also" section of /multilingual_blogging https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=114244&oldid=114239
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[KevinMarks] [artlung] can you add those to the multilingual_blogging page too?
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[artlung] yes
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[social] Oh, excellent. So great to see Stephanie Booth show up. Perfect!
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offeringofpie oooh nice ❤️ and yay for douglas adams reference 🙂
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Loqi 😃
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offeringofpie and rip babelfish.yahoo.com (iirc the url)
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[artlung] Several hours of downtime for Google Cloud services in Western Europe this morning. https://status.cloud.google.com/incidents/Xs2XTHzAVC9YnafnPyzj https://www.theregister.com/paas-and-iaas/2026/10/20/google-cloud-says-a-power-event-caused-todays-outage/5304160
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[capjamesg] Yeah, it caused a lot of problems across the UK today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c58jd2kjp93xt
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[capjamesg] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c58jd2kjp93xt?post=asset%3Ad3e3ccd5-1431-414f-974b-986cc0fe0609#post has a few stories from people affected.
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[Murray] Yeah, most of our Flywheel hosted sites went down. Looks like they either host some of their own tools on Google or use Google as the cloud provider under the hood, but possibly not purely, as one site resolutely stayed up against all the odds 😄
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[tantek] what is Flywheel
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Flywheel" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Flywheel is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is Google Cloud
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Loqi Google Cloud is a set of internet services from Google, including Google App Engine, Google Compute Engine, Google Container Engine and others https://indieweb.org/Google_Cloud
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[tantek] [capjamesg] [artlung] probably worth adding those links to "Outages" there
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[capjamesg] Done for Google Cloud!
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[tantek] ty! [capjamesg]++
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[Morgan_M] I tried flywheel for one website one time. I will anecdotally comment it seemed a professional service, and they sent some emails saying you arent being charged for anything but if it scales up we will in a sort of transparent way that gave me a positive affect towards the business
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[Morgan_M] Its kind of dev heavy feeling but they had it setup so if you installed the command line program you could like do a one liner and launch a website kind of a cool whizzbang feeling
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