#events 2025-09-17

2025-09-17 UTC
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[Sophia_wood] what is smugmug? something I will probably always be stuck on - Gigs and gigs and gigs and gigs and gigs - need I go on?
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[artlung] when is pacific?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club - Pacific on Sep 17 at 18:00pm -07:00 https://events.indieweb.org/On4xV2mwhIOW
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[artlung] when is fresh?
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Loqi Front End Study Hall #036 in 1 day https://events.indieweb.org/duXKDJFSwypW
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[artlung] when is london?
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Loqi There are 2 london events coming up soon: Homebrew Website Club Europe/London on Sep 17 at 19:00pm +01:00 https://events.indieweb.org/2UdsVxfoWUtv Homebrew Website Club Europe/London in 17 days https://events.indieweb.org/UBSw0zvp6DSl
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[Al_Abut] Hey [aaronpk]! Just ran into a UX with one of the events and it made me wonder about meetable - is it possible to set the same recurring link for a zoom meeting? Whether one we pass in ourselves or just keep reusing the one created by meetable.
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[Al_Abut] If you’re curious, the UX issue is I made an event recurring in my calendar and then couldn’t join the zoom because it was using an old expired link, which wasn’t obvious for a good couple of minutes and led to some forehead slapping when I figured it out 😆
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[tantek] recurringevents--
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Loqi recurringevents has -1 karma in this channel over the last year (-3 in all channels)
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[Al_Abut] What? They’re awesome, use them all the time in all kinds of private events. Is it too ripe for abuse in semi-public stuff?
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aaronpk meetable doesn't have the concept of recurring events intentionally
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aaronpk they tend to result in a stale event calendar over time for public calendars
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[tantek] ☝️
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[tantek] also introduces terrible UX complexities
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aaronpk e.g. an organizer slowly loses interest in hosting the event, but doesn't fully hand off running the event, and then isn't around to delete the event, then eventually there's just this weekly event on the calendar nobody actually hosts
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aaronpk there are actual examples of this on the openid foundation calendar right now, for working groups that have gone stale, but their weekly calls are still on the main calendar
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[tantek] heh
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aaronpk go here and tell me how to determine whether one of these calls is actually happening https://openid.net/calendar/
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[tantek] does the appearance of events happening help with getting donors to keep funding the openid foundation?
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aaronpk there's only a few stale ones, i don't think that's significant
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[tantek] that would be one use-case for recurring events 🙃
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk i made the "clone event" feature to give a quick way to schedule out events in the future. but I did make it not copy the meeting URL over.
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aaronpk anyway I think the real answer for [Al_Abut] is to subscribe to the ics feed from meetable! then you'll have the right zoom link
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[artlung] I understand the UX wish but definitely that calendar rot thing stinks a lot. As an adhocracy we don't commit to an absolutely recurring event. Each new entry on the calendar is an individual making an affirmative decision to host, not an org deciding on an event. (And by the way, thanks to all the hosts who are diligent about doing so! Notably James, Mark, David). Events are hard work even if they are lightweight.
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aaronpk 100% agreed, that's a great framing. the fact that an event exists on the calendar means there was an actual person who expressed their intent to host that particular event. that property is lost when the software supports recurring events
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[Al_Abut] Hmm. Thanks for unpacking, but to keep picking at it a bit, doesn’t this feel like an overcorrection? I.e. why not just delete ghost events?
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[tantek] who will commit to that labor [Al_Abut]?
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[Al_Abut] Great question - can you autodetect whether anyone’s joined a zoom?
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[Al_Abut] If so, then enough of those in a row can indicate events that need auto deletion.
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[Al_Abut] The reason I’m still picking at it is not just because it’s a UX issue in general, but also because my hunch is that this is one of those “silent fails” that would strike the initial curious and/or laypeople more often. Which sucks for groups like HWC that are public-facing advocacy that live on new participation.
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[Al_Abut] Funny coincidence, I’ve run into this issue even in private groups lately like my local HOA
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[tantek] interesting, because I've seen more of the opposite, that is, recurring events causing silent fails, e.g. across nearly every DST change (depending on which country you're in!)
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aaronpk subscribing to the calendar feed on the site is the solution again, rather than someone making their own local recurring copy of the meeting on their calendar
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[artlung] I had to drop. Have a 1pm meeting. Lined up totally!
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