#events 2025-11-23
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[Al_Abut] Hey James! I’m going to make it on Monday when I’m back from my weekend road trip.
# [Al_Abut] [aaronpk] it’s going to be on Sunday Dec 7th at 10am pacific
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aaronpk 29 days until Meetable turns 6 years old! https://aaronparecki.com/2019/12/21/4/indieweb-events
# [Al_Abut] Aaron, God, yes that would be great, I’m always doing weird conversions in my head about when the event times actually are and failing
# aaronpk if you click on the time on any of the event pages you will get a page like this https://events.indieweb.org/local-time?date=20251218T1800&tz=Europe%2FBerlin
# aaronpk ok new plan: https://media.aaronpk.com/2025/11/22182603-8658.png
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Loqi [Event Updated] aaronparecki.com updated "Dec 3, 2025 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Eastern" changed location_country https://events.indieweb.org/event/929/history/2542/diff
# [Al_Abut] Interesting. I never would’ve thought to click on the time within a specific event. Plus that doesn’t help when you’re scanning through the events on the main page. You know what would help in both cases that’s probably simple to implement? Show the time zone next to the time.
# [Al_Abut] 10am eastern, 6pm pacific, etc.
# [Al_Abut] What do you think?
# [Al_Abut] I’m on mobile for the weekend and car camping a few hundred miles away from my laptop and tablet, so unfortunately I can’t hover over anything. I’m scanning through the events page like usual and I don’t see time zones, just that some events have a minus suffix, which I’m not sure what that means. It’s not clear to me why some are minus 5:00 or whatever and others aren’t? It feels like a programmery inside jargon compared t
# [Al_Abut] pacific, London time, Paris time, Tokyo time, and etc.
# [Al_Abut] Also if you don’t know me I’m not trying to be deliberately obtuse to prove a point, I really am this thick and just open about it 😆
# pcarrier https://events.indieweb.org/local-time?date=20251125T1800&tz=Europe%2FLondon seems to shuffle timezones?
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# [Al_Abut] Hmm, weird, I’m not seeing time zones, either on the all events page or when I click in.
# [Al_Abut] As far as whether timezone offsets are common knowledge, I’d look at the main chat channel yesterday when new people were asking what time the writing event actually starts.
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# [Al_Abut] Oh I see. The implicit time zone is confusing, I’d just list them all so it’s confirmed. E.g. mine saying Pacific wouldn’t be confusing in the way that leaving it off is, if that makes sense.
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[tantek] make that 10+ years ago: https://tantek.com/2015/218/b1/use-timezone-offsets
# [Al_Abut] Oh man is that an idiosyncratic take, hahaha
# [Al_Abut] I’m just trying to imagine the public outcry if Apple shipped billions of people a time zone offset instead of city names.
# [Al_Abut] I mean the events are a free app and resource for all of us and I’d be appreciative of it even if it was in Greek, but talking yourself into defending UI quirks as UX features seems to be a unique type of bikeshedding in the open source and/or niche software world. Like the conversation about recurring events being inhumane.
# [tantek] and it's not clear if you actually want to cache a legacy timezone name from the time of creation of the event in contrast to the "present" timezone name of the actual datetime of the event in the future, since presumably in the future, people will be more familiar with the present name, not the name as it happened to be at the time of creation (which only the event creator knows anyway)
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# [Al_Abut] ↩️ And reading the blog post at a Starbucks now, yeah I can’t argue with saving times as UTC. I ran into some gnarly bugs this summer with my RSS feed that had the same solution in the end.
# [Al_Abut] As for picking cities vs proper timezone names, yeah I should’ve unpacked that instead of just bombing screenshots and running without context. I meant to demonstrate that Apple goes way overboard in letting people pick their own local city because that’s how we naturally think of our own time zones, then they do the work to map it back to the underlying zone
# [Al_Abut] That’s easily overkill for setting up events, but picking the most famous city name in a time zone should be doable, no? Like, how many movies have you seen where they have wall clocks with New York, London, Paris, Tokyo etc on it? The military has a similar naming convention.
# [Al_Abut] Anyways, I’m doing a little bikeshedding of my own here. Like I said, I’d use the events page if I had to run it through Google translate.