#known 2019-03-11

2019-03-11 UTC
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[davidmead] !tell mapkyca sorry for asking again Marcus. Do I just pull down and move everything apart from config.ini and the Uploads directory?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] Yes
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jeremycherfas Gosh, looking at all the changes, may need to upgrade soon.
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[jgmac1106] yeah going to do this tomorrow
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mapkyca Yep, some fairly major changes all landing at once. Blog post to follow.
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Loqi mapkyca: [davidmead] left you a message 15 hours, 45 minutes ago: sorry for asking again Marcus. Do I just pull down and move everything apart from config.ini and the Uploads directory?
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mapkyca Main thing is that we're moving to managing things via composer (plugins too, once the PR is merged in composer installers)
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mapkyca !tell [davidmead] yep, backup config and upload + now run composer install
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk Yay great that means hopefully faster updates of dependencies in the future
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mapkyca that's the plan, also makes it easier to roll custom configured Known builds
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[stefp] I just uploaded the newest version from github and I’m getting “Could not find autoload.php, did you run “composer install” ..?”
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[stefp] How do I do that?
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mapkyca @[stefp] If you're building via github you need to have composer installed (https://getcomposer.org/).
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[stefp] I just did the usual overwrite. This seems a bit more complicated.
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[stefp] I’ve reinstalled the older version in the meantime so no damage done.
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[jgmac1106] yeah I am going to continue recommending older version unless folks know of a way of installing composer without terminal...I don't even want to do that let alone teach others
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[jgmac1106] excited for composer though
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[davidmead] thx mapkyca. a brief step-by-step would be good for us composer/git/terminal luddites
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mapkyca An assumption is that the github method is for more technical users, and composer gives a bunch of package management advantages that make the slight increase in complexity worth it (it's also the industry standard method at this point, so there's that)
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mapkyca Packages will not require this step
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[jgmac1106] ohh yes, makes sense, and majority of really active members could probably do it but will need a screencast or tutorial to follow. happy to be the test pilot or help make one
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[jgmac1106] launching terminal and installing composer step up from downloading from GitHub and pushing stuff through sftp,
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mapkyca Well, you can stick with the sftp method if you'd like, the only difference is that after you've cloned / git pulled the updates from the repo, you then run composer install in the same directory. If you don't have it installed https://getcomposer.org gives instructions.
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mapkyca most distros you can apt-get/yum install composer, but the website will give you a composer.phar, so usually this'll be: "cd /path/to/known; php /path/to/composer.phar install"
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mapkyca Then, assuming no errors, you'll have a /vendor/ directory in your known install which is chock full of stuff. Upload that along with the rest of the files and you should be fine
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[jgmac1106] @mapkyca I am happy to make tutorial videos. We were going to build the Go Open Iniative on Known... Basically decide the plugins, and spin up a subdomain.
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mapkyca I updated the blog post with a quick video, hopefully that will make things a bit clearer
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[cleverdevil] I made the transition earlier today, it was pretty easy.
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[cleverdevil] I am completely a newbie when it comes to composer, though, and as a plugin developer, a guide on how to make my plugins compliant with the new world order would be hugely helpful!
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mapkyca That'll come. It's currently not possible, as it requires a patch to composer/installers
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mapkyca PR has been submitted, but that project doesn't seem to merge very often
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mapkyca However, once merged you just need to include a composer.json with your project, specify a type as "known-plugin", require composer/installers, and put your plugin on packageist
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mapkyca Optionally you can specify a naming override - so we'll finally get rid of that problem where you need to check out a plugin and then rename everything
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@jgmac1106 For @withknown users on https://reclaimhosting.com that want to update to latest version follow: https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2019/03/11/some-important-known-changes/ here are directions for enabling SSH (so you can sign on through Terminal): https://community.reclaimhosting.com/t/secure-shell-for-domain-of-ones-own-accounts/182 Will post tutorial after I give… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/11/for-withknown-users-on-that-want (twitter.com/_/status/1105224022567145473)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Oops disregard second link in this: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/11/for-withknown-users-on-that-want that is for institutional customers. You have SSH right in CPanel (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/6zuvE) (twitter.com/_/status/1105224710667800581)
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[jgmac1106] okay composer installed wasn't scary,
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[jgmac1106] updating to latest build now
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[jgmac1106] well after my backup is finished running
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[cleverdevil] Once docs are up and everything is ready, I'm happy to use my plugins as testbeds for the new way 🙂
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mapkyca Well, I'll keep folk posted - hopefully they'll merge it soon. Might take a while, they seem to only release a build once a year
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mapkyca ... they're doing better than us, mind. So maybe I shouldn't kvetch too hard
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[cleverdevil] 😉
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[jgmac1106] If we update will the old way of updating plugins break?