#known 2020-01-28

2020-01-28 UTC
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[cleverdevil] [AlisonW] I back-loaded a ton of content into my Known site via Micropub. Its far easier than mucking around with the database.
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[cleverdevil] I highly recommend this approach 🙂
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aaronpk micropub++
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Loqi micropub has 1 karma over the last year
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[cleverdevil] Also, there are a lot of things that happen in the PHP code when you create content in Known, which makes the database really problematic to interact with directly.
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[cleverdevil] You really want to be going through code execution to get what you want 🙂
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[KevinMarks] the database is being used to make a nosql store. This seemed like a good idea at the time.
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[KevinMarks] Ben based it on this: https://backchannel.org/blog/friendfeed-schemaless-mysql
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mapkyca When we give mongodb the bullet, I am very very keen to move away from the fake nosql approach and move to a more relational model. There are json query options in later versions of mariadb/mysql but they're far from mature and we shouldn't use them yet if we want to maintain anything approaching backwards capability
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mapkyca Data import / export needs to happen before then though and that's a big job that currently nobody has the time for
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jgmac1106 mapkyca, can we fix up the micropub client and try to do data import/export that way?
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mapkyca The micro pub client needs a lot of love, but I'd prefer to handle import export via a native process. There's a lot of metadata that (can) be attached to things that won't be preserved via a micro pub transfer
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[KevinMarks] Could it not be embedded in extended mf2 structures while still using the core standard ones?
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[KevinMarks] Or is this a complexity issue with multiple users?
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mapkyca Maybe, but much of this may not be visible - a bunch of my plugins for example attach system information against objects, plus there are objects which don't correspond to an Indieweb data type that need to be preserved
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jgmac1106_ [mapkyca] anytime this week to show me how you did a clean install and update on Reclaim Hosting, I keep failing every time. I need to roll out sites for elmcitwebmakers.com
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jgmac1106_ elmcitywebmakers.com
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[AlisonW] [cleverdevil] Thanks for that - I'll take a look (looking at the backload option isn't the final target but was hopefully a way to understanding the process in known)
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[AlisonW] otoh one would expect that the date in the db should be sufficient to recreate the content, so my issue of where that error (or rather why) is still there)
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[AlisonW] mapkyca++
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Loqi mapkyca has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (19 in all channels)
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[cleverdevil] [mapkyca] yes please on moving to a true relational model. The current system served us well, but is really baffling to use in many ways.
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[cleverdevil] I also have some use cases where I created simple endpoints in PHP that use Known’s object system to create content.
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[cleverdevil] But, for many traditional cases (such as importing old content from a variety of sources) micropub is an awesome way to go.
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[cleverdevil] Its how I loaded all my historical Instagram and Facebook content.
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[cleverdevil] And how I loaded all my old website content, too.
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jeannie Question on the Tumblr plugin... trying to configure. enter API keys and get Cannot access private property Idno\Core\Idno::$config
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[jgmac1106] All my Known posts end up on Tumblr
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[jgmac1106] jeanie, easier to get to tumblr through micro.blog IMO... If you have a micro.blog account
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[Jeannie] Thank you [jgmac1106]. I was hoping maybe there was an update coming to the plugin or someone had a solution. I have the free mb account so no x-posting. I can use IFTTT, though for Tumblr. I was just hoping to be able to do it from the site. So far, though, now that I'm figuring everything else out I am liking Known for my blogging solution. Is there a way to change the post date or is that just set & unchangeable when you post? No way to
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[Jeannie] pre or post-date items?
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[jgmac1106] Yeah I love Known as well... No no option to change dt-published... Probably the most requested feature request
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[jgmac1106] I think many people would manually import with dt-publish editing
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[mapkyca] [jgmac1106] pretty busy this week, in times when we're both awake. was this any help? https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2019/11/16/installing-known-on-reclaim-hosting/
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[jgmac1106] That is all I need perfect. And name.com gave me 25 free domains and a ton of discounted space. So I am probably using them instead
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[Jeannie] Why can I not get the email working? Is it my host? Is there a file or setting I need to edit on the backend somewhere?
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[Jeannie] My login, server & port settings are all correct so I'm guessing there's something with my host on the backend that I need to fix but I don't know. Anyone know what I need to edit to get it working?
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