#known 2020-04-02
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[jgmac1106] FYI [mapkyca] [benatwork] [LewisCowles] I am putting in a grant for https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/03/31/moss-launches-covid-19-solutions-fund/ to keep building on the Known Courseware, thinking a project on service workers for offline support, DevOps support for the Heroku/Beanstalk install work, some micropub love
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# [jgmac1106] will share here a I draft, https://etherpad.indieweb.org/knowncovid19learningping me if anyone wants included in the work
# [jgmac1106] ooops https://etherpad.indieweb.org/knowncovid19learning ping me if you want to be included in work
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[LewisCowles] I'd include as much detail as you can on what is needed to be done on each part
# [LewisCowles] service-workers can be 1-day of effort
# [LewisCowles] but then it's basic and is just end-viewer read support
# [LewisCowles] I believe beanstalk is the most involved part
# [jgmac1106] will do...I felt bad applying thought folks trying to 3d print respirators or masks should get awards, but a lot of people encouraged me to apply after seeing the courseware post
# [LewisCowles] Heroku, I'm testing postgres on today to see if I can do without SQL file edits
# [LewisCowles] LOL the installer only works with mysql...
# [LewisCowles] WTAF
# [jgmac1106] "This project funds the DevOps necessary for a Beanstalk deployments using ec2 for plumbing and s3 for storage. The goal is to create a one button Heroku install. Each organization or team who requests hosting, based on available fund will be able to deploy secure instances for all their learners"
# [jgmac1106] does that sentence make sense.....wait until you get deep into Knowns data storage models, gets interesting quick
# [LewisCowles] Heroku doesn't need EC2 or AWS S3
# [LewisCowles] the app.json I've been working on provides a configurable and scaleable place for app code to run, and uses a managed S3 provider (but could take private S3 credentials if people have them)
# [jgmac1106] I know, but I do...if the sentence sounds like a naive noncoder wrote it, its because a naive non-coder wrote it, feel free to punch it up
# [jgmac1106] and let me know if you want to be written into grant to get paid for the work
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@jgmac1106 Thank you to all the people at #oer20 asking about the @withknown Courseware creator plugin, we will release the beta plugin, openly licensed, this weekend.
Will have a one button export HTML or you can use @withknown ad CMS/LMS (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1bJ1TR) (twitter.com/_/status/1245664179215884289)
# [LewisCowles] This project funds the infrastructure as code (IaC) works necessary for cloud deployments of OpenSource project Known, with offline-first resiliency using ServiceWorker.
# [LewisCowles] The ServiceWorker works are to ensure that access to public materials output by a Known instance, can be accessed after initial page load, to survive inconsistent or slow connectivity, providing resilience to existing users and servers by terminating requests lasting more than a certain number of milliseconds.
# [LewisCowles] I don't know about any other works. Perhaps ServiceWorker also somehow interacts with a publishing queue which is backed to localStorage with cookie fallback to allow offline publish queuing.
# [LewisCowles] It has a multi-level strategy, starting with some parallel works to have a single-click cloud-hosting setup using Heroku; with a parallel track to use AWS Elastic Beanstalk and S3.
# [LewisCowles] (completely making up the serviceworker part to fit my own internal narrative)
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# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Based on the encouragment of many of you who said "learning is the first technology to save lives" I am applying for the @mozilla COVI-19 rapid response grant to ensure everyone, especially those in lo-fi, no-fi places can still learn. #OER20 (twitter.com/_/status/1245666584523309056)
# [LewisCowles] For the video content you are publishing with some, one thing to note about a serviceworker, is that it is unable to cache more than 50MB of content for a site
# [LewisCowles] lo-fi / no-fi places would have to solve that in other ways
# [jgmac1106] encouraging torrents for video
# [jgmac1106] or no video, stories are mode agnostic
# [LewisCowles] Boom boom...
# [LewisCowles] More small edits incoming
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# just-meez hi folks
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# knullare Hello Meez
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# [LewisCowles] gosh, I've had a right day here...
# [LewisCowles] are any of the devs around to "chat" about how migrations work for known?
# [LewisCowles] Right now I've had to edit mysql and postgres sql to get them to work on heroku, I believe people using known may have had to be doing this, but it also calls into question the approach of running sql files via PHP
# [jgmac1106] there are data storage legacy issues you will stumble into...and solve...
# [LewisCowles] I've solved them for me, the problem is that anyone updating known might run into problems with my changes
# [LewisCowles] for MySQL I dropped full-text indexes as the MySQL addon doesn't seem to support them
# [LewisCowles] for Postgres I had to guard all of the indexes, add a unique index, which I'm sure was an oversight
# [LewisCowles] and I chose to use a modifier when creating indexes
# [LewisCowles] I am extremely happy that deploy has two options users shouldn't really need to change, they just next, then open app, then choose first user and password.
# [LewisCowles] I think this won't be able to easily live in the known repo, due to platform limitations (if I want to deploy using postgres, I need a different button to mysql)
# [LewisCowles] < 2 minute install though
# [LewisCowles] ability to pick where you're hosted
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# [LewisCowles] three entries in https://github.com/idno/known/pulls
# [jgmac1106] thx [mapkyca] swamped supporting edu stuff during online transition, hope to maybe poke around a bit this weekend. Applying for another grant beyond Mozilla
# [jgmac1106] that dratic event that spurs innovation systems: https://jgregorymcverry.com/SyNatIndieWeb
# [jgmac1106] that is now
# [jgmac1106] gonna throw as many lines into the water helps when I have past proposals on "digital field placements" where I said prepare for mass closures, like pandemics"
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# [jgmac1106] [LewisCowles] letter asking if I should apply, don't have time to waste writing impossible grant applications now: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/sparkgrant
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