#known 2020-04-26

2020-04-26 UTC
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[jgmac1106] plug in idea...take my 5 most use tags and put them in a footer
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[LewisCowles] [mapkyca] I think it's fine. I've spun up a few sites. I've not been able to create a problem non-artificially. Apologies for holding you up checking
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[jgmac1106] well my Known install failed.....
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[jgmac1106] https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/
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[jgmac1106] going to try FTP...not sure what went wrong, copied my upload folder, my config.ini and my theme, deleted subdirectory, did a reinstall from github updated composer dependancies got a 404, tried both public_html/quickthoughts and public_html/quickthoughts/known as directory roots
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[jgmac1106] the folder structure so vastly different now though...not sure I can use FTP
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[jgmac1106] grrrrr.....and now my restore from backup throwing a 500 error.....hopefully shared host can fix....this updating process is so hard for me, not sure why I break and then end up falling so far behind. thought ihave been updating and staying current
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[jgmac1106] here is to hoping my shared host can reinstall, I have no idea how I mess this up everytime. I follow directions to the T
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[LewisCowles] jgmac1106, do you run SQL first before uploading? [mapkyca] is it possible that the {}_metadata leads to config attempting to read DB cached values?
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[mapkyca] ↩️ No worries, this is exactly why I wanted people kicking the tires!
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[mapkyca] Shouldn't do - schema management is Hard (want to move over doctrine dbal at some point as you get schema tools even if you don't go full ORM) - but scripts are executed before any of the higher level methods are run.
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[mapkyca] This assumes your database is consistent and you've not missed a patch, or something went wrong at some point
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[mapkyca] See previous comment about schema management being hard
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[jgmac1106] mapkyca++
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Loqi mapkyca has 21 karma in this channel over the last year (25 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] The bid difference for me I do not have everything in a folder /known in my directory, all my files just in the subdirectory /quickthoughts
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[jgmac1106] I have a copy of my DB, my uploads, and my config.ini...I should be able to do a fresh intall and connect them alll....no idea where I am going wrong
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[LewisCowles] could it be the htaccess?
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[LewisCowles] I'd hate for it to be that
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[LewisCowles] but it's happened to me before
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[jgmac1106] I do have a ton of customizations in my htaccess...hmmm
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[jgmac1106] going to delete everything, ftp and see if I can add upload, config.ini, and htaccsss back
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[jgmac1106] no just waiting for 28k files from my upload folder to sftp....
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[jgmac1106] now*
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[jgmac1106] I should have never tried to update, just too damn hard, thought composer updating would make it easier
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[jgmac1106] looks like ftp update didn't work either : (
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Loqi yea!
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[jgmac1106] that was mean Loqi
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[LewisCowles] gives Loqi a stern look
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Loqi eyes the stern look
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[LewisCowles] sassy today
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[jgmac1106] well will have to wait for my shared host to restore, hopefully they have better luck, composer update fialed, new composer isntall failed, new github install failed, now ftp failed, I still have my database and upload folder so I guess that cuts the pain a bit..,
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[LewisCowles] I wonder if the host has a restore functionality for the mean time
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jeremycherfas I have not tried a recent update, but I am on a sub-folder like you [jgmac1106] So, at stream.jeremycherfas.net
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jeremycherfas But I think you have a lot more customisations than I do.
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[jgmac1106] Lewis yes, relying on my host htey will install
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[jgmac1106] Yeah Jeremy I think that is my approach
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[jgmac1106] and I restore from server backup and still pulling a 500, grrr...but back, had to reinstall all the composer dependancies
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[jgmac1106] lost two days of content, important stuff, have all my uploads....that kinda stinks
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[LewisCowles] 😞
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[jgmac1106] will just redo the bookmarks...that is all that matters, I have the photos still
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[jgmac1106] My build doesn't have everything in a folder /known that seems to trip up a ton of stuff
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jeremycherfas Is this a new departure? As I said, mine is in a folder that is not called Known but I have not come across any problems like the ones you have.
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[jgmac1106] jeremycherfas I think I am a super edge case of using an install that ran through a custom installatron plugin originally
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jeremycherfas Oh yes. I vaguely remember you doing that. Are you still using that? You said you were doing an update by FTP. So does the problem go back to that?
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[jgmac1106] I thought I was staying current then I shared my version number with mapkyca...its the bookmarks that hurt....I have the images and all the files, everything else updated to 4/25 why Known only went to 4/24 is quite perplexing
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[jgmac1106] only takes time to fix....have plenty
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jeremycherfas The one time I got in serious trouble with my install, I kept `/uploads` and a note of `config.ini` and did manage to connect them all together. Do you have any idea of where things went wrong?
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jeremycherfas And I guess you don't have a local backup with which you could try again?
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[jgmac1106] I have a copy of the DB and the uploads, but I think just redoing the 20-25 bookmarks be faster
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[jgmac1106] 24 notes, and 4 photo posts, the phots I will restore...the notes I am fine with losing, everythign on archive.org anyways
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[jgmac1106] plus twitter, micro.blog, tumblr and who knows where else think mastodon somewhere too
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[jgmac1106] bookmarks are just my most popular feed for people to subscribe too
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jeremycherfas So the DB wasn't absolutely current? To the moment you started to update?
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[jgmac1106] ...may have done exactly what caused you serious trouble.....in the new build config.ini is in a folder configuration in my build config.ini just in /quickthoughts subdirectory
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[jgmac1106] ^^ dunno and learning would take way longer than redoing bookmarks
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jeremycherfas Sure. It's your install.
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[jgmac1106] yeah, why I was trying a scorched earth and just reconnecting the database and my upload, htaccess, and config.ini but I failed along the way....will give it a college try when I get up the courage again
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[jgmac1106] I have plenty of other fresh installs to test the coursebuilder plugin on
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[jgmac1106] which means it has to be soemthing to get existing DB to talk...any fresh install, same shared host works fine....hmm thanks for letting me think this through with you two
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[jgmac1106] I wonder how many different versions of Known are out there and how many people try to stay current or just keep an older version trucking
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jeremycherfas I'm definitely in the keep on trucking school, until there's a major bump in functionality. But I'm a much less intensive user than you.
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[mapkyca] Sorry you keep having problems [jgmac1106] 😞 A more general point, if folks get 500 errors on an upgrade, nuking from orbit is probably not the first thing you should try. Almost certainly there’s a clue in the logs, and it might be something as simple.
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[mapkyca] Also always back up before doing so - especially if there are major schema changes… like the one I’m going to shortly merge!
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[jgmac1106] thx for tips mapkyca...I did backup first which was strange....wonder what happens if I restore my backup now....
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[jgmac1106] Eureka that worked....after my server was reinstalled I was then able to reinstall from backup! Yipee, thx for tip Marcus
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[jgmac1106] okay and you can all riddle me this.....I am now on 1.1.9+2020041901 instead of 1.0.0-rc.1+2019092902 even though I rolled back my server and then did a restore from backup..
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[LewisCowles] magic
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[mapkyca] weird.
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[jgmac1106] I had been updating to each new release which surprised me when I saw my current version...two possibilities...either my versioning file wasn't updating or it just updated but I am on a borked version with all my custom installs and changes