#meta 2018-01-02

2018-01-02 UTC
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Zegnat Ah, the spam here in meta is still in the logs?
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Zegnat 10 step guide to removing spam from the logs :D https://indieweb.org/IRC#How-to_remove_spam
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www.readwriterespond.com created /Template:mrkrndvs (+169) "Created page with "<span class="h-card">{{sparkline| https://readwriterespond.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Profile-Picture.jpg}} [[https://readwriterespond.com/|Aaron Davis" target="_blank">User:https://readwriterespond.com/|Aaron Davis]]</span>"" (view diff)
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ancarda Zegnat: interesting -- why is it flagged as deleted and not actually deleted?
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: Sigyn?
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Zegnat ben_thatmustbeme Sigyn is a Freenode operated bot you can invite to the channel. If it sees spam like that flood before it can act as a server service and kick/ban/kline the spamming account.
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Zegnat ancarda, it was something I asked for rather than getting PRs where lines are removed. In my opinion you should never go and destroy log items, then it isn’t really a log anymore.
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Zegnat This way all the data is still there if people need it for whatever reason, but we can still operate a publicly accessible HTML archive without spam getting indexed by search engines and stuff.
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, yeah, i agree removing from visible log is the important part
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ancarda Fair enough, I was thinking as it's in a git repo, entries would always be there, although I guess soft-delete is more visible
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Zegnat It will be in the history, yes, but you would need to do a lot of digging to then get all the data into one struct. At least I wouldn’t be able to tell you a one-liner to do so.
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Zegnat Now any commit/snapshot holds all lines up to that point of time.
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Zegnat This works well, and it is easy enough to delete things, as you can see in my little how to :) I even provide the regex ;)
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Zegnat (If you want to get very nitpicky on the timeseries db / append-only log aspect, the records shouldn’t be mutable at all. But keeping a separate record of spam IDs feels like overkill.)
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gRegorLove Hm /syndication-models can probably be merged into /cross-posting
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gRegorLove Since we've moved other chat-related pages to names like "discuss" I was wondering if /IRC_People should also be renamed.
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gRegorLove "Chat people" sounds hokey, but maybe "Chat community" or similar
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tantek I don't see an advantage that's worth the hassle and fixup/gardening etc.
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tantek maybe capture it as an /LS topic ?
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gRegorLove hassle? #redirect [[new-page]]
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tantek and then fix all the double-redirects, retrain people in telling people where to go etc.
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tantek feels like bikeshedding out of boredom :P
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tantek but that's just IMO so hence suggestion to capture it in /LS
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tantek what is LS
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LS" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "LS is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek wat
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tantek LS is /Leaders
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove *shrug* I've been replacing [[IRC]] with [[discuss]] because I like that it's not about the chat plumbing
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tantek that's fair
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tantek IRC people only sets your icon / links to your profile in IRC logs though
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tantek not in Slack nor Matrix etc., so it is actually plumbing specific
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tantek (not that it should be, just Slack and Matrix limitations()
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gRegorLove We have web logs of all chat, not just IRC
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tantek sure, could call it log-people :P
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gRegorLove log-people--
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Loqi log-people has -1 karma
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tantek lol
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jjuran Night of the Log People