#meta 2018-01-10

2018-01-10 UTC
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aaronpk do we have a list of all the HWC cities from 2017 easily accessible?
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tantek from /Planning maybe?
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tantek planned?
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club has a pretty good list assuming it's up to date
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tantek yes I've had that challenge in every year I've tried to write-up the indieweb year in review
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tantek I've had to manually go through every HWC event and try to verify which ones happened (per photos and/or notes)
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aaronpk speaking of which we kind of failed with https://indieweb.org/2016-review, it's mostly a stub
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tantek basically if a city doesn't take a photo, doesn't take/post notes, or even chat in IRC, there's no evidence that the HWC meetup actually happened.
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tantek might try messaging the organizer(s) and asking them which ones actually happened
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aaronpk let's try to get https://indieweb.org/2017-review filled out in a week or two
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tantek ok
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tantek I know I kinda dropped the ball on the past two :/
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tantek was /2014-review the last one we filled out properly?
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aaronpk I mean I dropped the ball too, it shouldnt be any one person's responsibility to fill that out.
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tantek ok I screwed up my event permalink for the first time
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tantek looks like I need to write more code, do less manually
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aaronparecki.com edited /2017-review (+25) "change headers to less intimidating claims so they will be easier for people to add to" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2017-review (+159) "+me" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk I think 2014 was the most thorough job I did - maybe stub equivalen sections for 2017?
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aaronpk maybe, tho that thoroughness is also very intimidating
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aaronpk I would rather have *some* info about 2015 and 2016 even if it's not nearly as through vs no summary at all
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tantek yeah that's fair MVP and all.
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tantek well start with stub sections, and we can just post what we come up with, say by 1/24 HWC
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tantek which is also good in sync with celebrating 1M webmentions
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aaronpk right after IWC Baltimore
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gRegorLove /HWC should be pretty up-to-date at least since the summit LS, we talked about it a lot and re-organized, came up with criteria to bump up and down
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gRegorLove I think Zegnat and sknebel have kept up with that more
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gRegorLove I'll finish adding the /2017 attendees on /2017-review, unless someone is already editing that section.
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gRegorLove It would be easier if there were h-cards :)
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Zegnat I am not too sure I have actually kept up with /HWC :(
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Zegnat !rt https://twitter.com/martijnvdven/status/951048350677258240
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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jjuran !rt https://twitter.com/martijnvdven/status/951048350677258240
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Loqi Thanks jjuran and Zegnat! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/951048747101728768
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Zegnat It has never actually attracted a visitor, but the tweet always gets some likes and retweets. So maybe still worth it.
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adactio.com edited /events/2018-01-10-homebrew-website-club (+58) "/* Brighton */" (view diff)
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paultibbetts.uk created /Template:paultibbetts (+164) "add {{paultibbetts}} nickname" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas Delete of wiki stuff stays in page history forever, right?
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Zegnat Yes
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jeremycherfas tantek I'm conflicted about the value of documented decision tree for IG report. I can see that it may be useful as documentation, but is it of value to someone who simply wants to be able to report abuse?
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jeremycherfas It seems to me that everything from Instagram 2015 doown to Facebook could be deleted without diminishing the value of that page.
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jeremycherfas I guess the same is true of the documentation of the Facebook stuff, but that's not my current concern. :)
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tantek jeremycherfas: historical reasons are worth it
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jeremycherfas They're not reasons as much as they are examples.
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tantek perhaps even more importantly, by capturing design iterations, we often capture *better* designs that silos go through
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sknebel move to a subpage maybe?
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tantek e.g. we have many iterations of Twitter presentation of tweets captured
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tantek sknebel: nah, not unless it gets too long
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tantek the other place where we've documented a bunch of design iterations is event posts, specifically from FB
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aaronpk moving lower in the page makes sense if you want to focus the page on actionable aspects of the current interface
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tantek where in particular some of the earlier / older designs were *better*
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tantek jeremycherfas: see for example https://indieweb.org/event#Facebook
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tantek and the subheads there for the iterations, and screenshots
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jeremycherfas The section is headed Silo Examples. I could see a section at the same level headed Historical silo examples.
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tantek no need, just subhead under the specific silo
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jeremycherfas OK. You win. Glad I didn't do any more.
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tantek that way it's setup better for moving to a subpage as sknebel suggests if/when it gets too big/intrusive for the topic
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tantek also more discoverable if you're looking for what a specific silo has done over time
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tantek jeremycherfas: another example (different from the /event#Facebook docs) https://indieweb.org/Twitter#History
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tantek but that documents that silo UI in general, rather than just a specific post type, so I suppose we have examples for either
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tantek historical specific post presentation
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tantek or historical UI from a silo in general
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dgold o/
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aaronpk say, that gives me an idea for the chanserv welcome message... it could mention the other channels as well
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aaronpk that would be something more appropriate for the chanserv message that wouldn't make sense in the topic
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tantek in particular I think we need that for the main channel, to redirect dev-specific chat
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tantek IMO that's the primary (nearly daily) use-case
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aaronpk yes, but also to make people aware of the other channels like this one, given how many fewer people there are here
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tantek unsure which channel to use? ask in meta :)
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Zegnat Do people see the chanserv messages? Mine get dumped into the Server window so I never read them
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Zegnat Interesting, you can’t create a page as “minor edit”? I thought we could do that before? I would have hidden https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-01-10/1515608294810000
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Loqi [vanderven.se martijn] created /User:Vanderven.se_martijn/ (+40) "Stealing this from Kaja’s page."
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tantek I noticed that too
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aaronpk huh must be a MW change
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Events (+318) "/* August */ bornhack in denmark" (view diff)
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