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jeremycherfas !tell tantek I have checked the email I received from TinyLetter, and while I personally would not describe it as a site death, I can see that it raises questions for you. Users have always been able to export a list of their subscribers, and that is true for MailChimp too. I have emailed TinyLetter to ask whether it is possible to export the text of all newsletters.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas !tell tantek Replies to TinyLetter emails are forwarded to the user's own mailbox, so they have a copy of those. There is no other data available to users.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar morning all; webext noscript on ff58 warns on indieweb.org: https://petermolnar.net/tmp/indieweb-xss-noscript.png
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petermolnar I don't completely understand, why
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Zegnat That’s a weird one, petermolnar. Reproducible? Both logged in and logged out?
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aaronpk "ic is undefined"?
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aaronpk I just installed noscript and I don't see that
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petermolnar I'll try a few things later on
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petermolnar gone now o.O
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petermolnar this is weird
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aaronpk is it some other extension adding something to the page?
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petermolnar ok, my bad, still have it
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petermolnar seems like it only happens with a cookie-cleared browser, only on http://indieweb.org
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petermolnar and it could be another extension
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petermolnar ok, it is mosty probably caused by a combination of HTTPS Everywhere, http://, and noscript
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petermolnar which might fall into pebkac
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tantek 8 days til next regularly scheduled HWC!
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Loqi tantek: jeremycherfas left you a message 7 hours, 58 minutes ago: I have checked the email I received from TinyLetter, and while I personally would not describe it as a site death, I can see that it raises questions for you. Users have always been able to export a list of their subscribers, and that is true for MailChimp too. I have emailed TinyLetter to ask whether it is possible to export the text of all newsletters.
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Loqi tantek: jeremycherfas left you a message 7 hours, 55 minutes ago: Replies to TinyLetter emails are forwarded to the user's own mailbox, so they have a copy of those. There is no other data available to users.
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tantek whoa
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tantek jeremycherfas++ thanks for the details and diligence, appreciated!
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Loqi jeremycherfas has 2 karma in this channel (12 overall)
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tantek Zegnat, shall we try iterating on the HWC event "template" again?
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tantek in particular, compare https://indieweb.org/events/2018-01-24-homebrew-website-club to https://indieweb.org/events/2018-01-10-homebrew-website-club
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Zegnat I’ll have to have a sit down to compare it with a fresh eye later this evening. But always happy to iterate!
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tantek I'm trying to at least make minor improvements that seem uncontroversial. small steps sooner rather than big steps later. hopefully reducing the amount of "surprise" to folks coming back to the pages week after week also
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tantek also wanting to get February pages up soon-ish
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tantek anyway just wanted your feedback on 01-24 vs 01-10 before replicating 01-24 into 02-07 and 02-21
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Zegnat I’ll schedule some time for it, but it will probably have to wait ’til after dinner on my end :(
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tantek no problem! go eat :)
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gRegorLove Loqi, any messages?
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tantek checks logs
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tantek oh hey gRegorLove - same q for u. shall we try iterating on the HWC event "template" again? in particular, compare https://indieweb.org/events/2018-01-24-homebrew-website-club to https://indieweb.org/events/2018-01-10-homebrew-website-club
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tantek https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2018-01-30/1517328383222600
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Loqi [tantek] I'm trying to at least make minor improvements that seem uncontroversial. small steps sooner rather than big steps later. hopefully reducing the amount of "surprise" to folks coming back to the pages week after week also
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gRegorLove looks
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gRegorLove Moving the "What" section down is interesting. I haven't been in the HWC game for a while now, so don't have strong opinions either way.
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tantek if 01-24 looks "good enough" or you can't think of any obvious iterative improvements, I'm ok to just replicate it for 02-07 and 02-21 and then we can see if we get bigger ideas next month
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gRegorLove Looks good overall!
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tantek yeah I deliberately moved the What section down because it didn't change much, and typically when people quickly refer (back) to an event they do so to confirm *when* (do they have to get toing to make it), and *where* (should they start heading toward)
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gRegorLove Did the Burger Queen visit SF on that 1/24 meeting? Looking at the picture, on the right. heh.
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gRegorLove Yeah, makes sense.
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tantek hahah no that was sdepolo honoring BK's very public Net Neutrality stance (via the ad) by bringing BK to HWC
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Loqi nice
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tantek what is net neutrality
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Loqi Net Neutrality is the idea that all data moving over the internet is treated the same, no matter between who it travels https://indieweb.org/Net_Neutrality
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tantek net neutrality << 2018-01-25 LA Times: [http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-net-neutrality-burger-king-20180125-story.html Burger King ad explains net neutrality with flame-grilled Whoppers] (photo, video)
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-01-25 LA Times: [http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-net-neutrality-burger-king-20180125-story.html Burger King ad explains net neutrality with flame-grilled Whoppers] (photo, video)" to the "See Also" section of /net_neutrality
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tantek also
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tantek Montana++ for becoming "the first state to bar telecommunications companies from receiving state contracts if they interfere with internet traffic or favor higher-paying sites or apps." (ibid)
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Loqi montana has 1 karma in this channel (3 overall)
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tantek thanks for the review gRegorLove
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tantek I'll wait to see what Zegnat says / suggests and then create the HWC pages for Feb accordingly
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jjuran This is a clever scheme to get people to watch ads voluntarily
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