#meta 2018-04-05

2018-04-05 UTC
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tantek heading downstairs @MozSF to setup for HWC
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tantek what is slack
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Loqi Slack is a closed-source team communication tool similar to IRC but with expanding support for various types of content such as emoji polls, inline images, and attachments https://indieweb.org/Slack
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tantek Slack << 2018-04-02 John O'Nolan: [https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/980872508395188224.html After 4 years of running a 11,000 member public Slack community ... we’ve decided to shut the whole thing down for good.] - thread unrolled. Criticism: scaling limits.
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-04-02 John O'Nolan: [https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/980872508395188224.html After 4 years of running a 11,000 member public Slack community ... we’ve decided to shut the whole thing down for good.] - thread unrolled. Criticism: scaling limits." to the "See Also" section of /Slack
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tantek Slack << https://twitter.com/JohnONolan/status/980873578764697600
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/JohnONolan/status/980873578764697600" to the "See Also" section of /Slack
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tantek Facebook << Criticism: growth at all costs: https://twitter.com/cwarzel/status/979478092077973504
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@cwarzel New from @RMac18, @Kantrowitz, and me: here’s a never before seen 2016 internal memo from a senior Facebook VP that outlines Facebook’s growth at all costs mentality. https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanmac/growth-at-any-cost-top-facebook-executive-defended-data https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZfOIO-VwAAt-Yv.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/979478092077973504)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: growth at all costs: https://twitter.com/cwarzel/status/979478092077973504" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook
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tantek Facebook << 2018-03-30 Criticism: Blocks fbexposed URL: https://twitter.com/MelissaRyan/status/979769434867994625
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@MelissaRyan @CaseyNewton @RMac18 Not surprising. I was involved in a project to let users know if they were exposed to propaganda on Facbeook, http://fbexposed.com. Facebook blocked the URL so you couldn't share it. Just checked and the URL is STILL blocked. Even though the ads have long been public. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZjW65hU0AAUkOO.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/979769434867994625)
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-03-30 Criticism: Blocks fbexposed URL: https://twitter.com/MelissaRyan/status/979769434867994625" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook
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tantek social media << 2018-03-30 NYT: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/30/world/americas/travelers-visa-social-media.html 14 Million Visitors to U.S. Face Social Media Screening]
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-03-30 NYT: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/30/world/americas/travelers-visa-social-media.html 14 Million Visitors to U.S. Face Social Media Screening]" to the "See Also" section of /social_media
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tantek what is MySpace
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Loqi MySpace was a popular social networking site in the 2000s that relaunched in 2013 as a music listening service with social aspects https://indieweb.org/MySpace
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tantek what is Pinterest
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Loqi Pinterest is a visual bookmark hosting silo where users "pin" (bookmark), or "repin" (repost a bookmark of) a page with a specific image from that page to a "pinboard" (named bookmark collection) and follow other users and/or pinboards created by others https://indieweb.org/Pinterest
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tantek what is Reddit
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Loqi Reddit is a link aggregator and bulletin board site where community members may submit links and text posts, vote on the submitted entries, and post comments on them https://indieweb.org/Reddit
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tantek what is Vine
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Loqi Vine was a service for sharing six-second-long looping videos https://indieweb.org/Vine
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tantek what is Douban
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Douban" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Douban is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is QQ
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "QQ" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "QQ is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is Sina Weibo
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Sina Weibo" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Sina Weibo is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is Tencent Weibo
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Tencent Weibo" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Tencent Weibo is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is Youku
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Youku" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Youku is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is VK
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/vk
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tantek what is Twoo
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Twoo" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Twoo is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk That line of questioning got weird
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tantek it's a list of social media sites mentioned in that NYT article that you'll be asked about when immigrating to the US as a non-citizen
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aaronpk Whoa
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aaronpk What is meetup?
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Loqi Meetup.com is an event silo for creating and/or finding small gatherings in your local community who share your interests, sometimes used by some Homebrew Website Club cities to organize local HWC meetups, acquired in 2017 by WeWork https://indieweb.org/Meetup
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aaronpk Meetup << https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/04/15/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/04/15/" to a brand new "See Also" section of /meetup.com
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] wow @meetup, classy. Removing a group's list of sponsors that you used to show on the meetup page, then charging them $30/month to add the sponsor section back? Yeah I'm not gonna play this game.
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aaronpk Ohhh I bet it's making the new section because the see also section doesn't exist on the redirect page
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tantek wow
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2018-094-hwc-sf.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2018-094-hwc-sf.jpg"
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tantek.com edited /events/2018-04-04-homebrew-website-club (+117) "/* Photos */ SF photo!" (view diff)
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aaronpk meta conversation: should we move all wiki edits to this channel so that it avoids interrupting the conversations in dev? https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-04-05#t1522932350130700
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Loqi [skippy] i may be in the minority here, but I find the loqi content in here very disruptive to the conversation. :( i dont want to completely ignore loqi, because then i might miss out on !tell messages left for me. :(
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skippy so many channels!
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aaronpk meta meta conversation: we should have some way to resolve these kinds of things without waiting for the annual leaders' summits
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Zegnat I also wonder if we just need stricter filtering as well. Do we really need the blanket all-edits-show-up?
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sknebel one thing to cut down on the noise could be to not show notifications when loqi does something triggered by chat
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sknebel it's already visible in chat, and in the right channel, no need to repeat it in -dev
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Zegnat We did play with the idea to do 3 or 4 leader summits a year right? Aligned with IWC/IWS with call-in possibility?
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skippy or send a PM notification (to irc users, at least) so they get confirmation that their action was recorded?
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sknebel Loqi already confirms
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[miklb] I think the decision to move the Loqi edits out of the main channel was a good idea and now that there is so much dev talk, I’d agree moving them again would be good.
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aaronpk one of the reasons I didn't make all the `<<` edits minor edits is I wanted the confirmation that the wiki edit happened since I was worried there might be a glitch with the wiki editing code
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sknebel aaronpk: same here with Kaja
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aaronpk but in practice I don't think there has ever been an error that wasn't also reported by Loqi's response to the command
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sknebel but you could fold it into the "ok, I added" message, add the diff link there?
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aaronpk oh adding the diff link there would be enough yeah
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sknebel there have been errors that have only been visible in the diff
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sknebel I'll make a note to hide Kaja's edits for features I think are stable
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aaronpk oh looks like I already did mark minor edits if the `<<` happened in dev
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Zegnat For people who must see all changes, note that you can subscribe to https://indieweb.org/Special:RecentChanges
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aaronpk we could also make #indieweb-flood and report every wiki edit and evert tweet and RT there ;-)
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skippy -firehose
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aaronpk test << hello
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Loqi {"edit":{"result":"Success","pageid":4596,"title":"test","contentmodel":"wikitext","oldrevid":45828,"newrevid":46619,"newtimestamp":"2018-04-05T13:34:44Z"}}
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aaronpk for some reason that response is not documented in mediawiki
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aaronpk test << world
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Loqi ok, I added "world" to the "See Also" section of /test https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=46620&oldid=46619
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aaronpk 😮 https://twitter.com/meetup_support/status/981908742362095617
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@meetup_support @aaronpk We appreciate your honest feedback on this, Aaron. (twitter.com/_/status/981908742362095617)
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tantek whoa
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tantek old school web 2.0 company, new school social media response!
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tantek antipatterns << tf;dr
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Loqi ok, I added "[[tf;dr]]" to the "See Also" section of /antipatterns https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=46624&oldid=44711
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tantek while still perhaps a bit ageist? or familyist? I appreciate the use of "Dad" instead of "Mom" or "Grandmother" in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16766297
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Loqi [beders] Another site that is doing their marketing all wrong. My Dad couldn't give a rat's ass if the network was 'Decentralized' or that 'Relationships can be made across any compatible system' All he wants is see pictures of his grand daughters and post fu...
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sknebel oh, when Loqi gets changed so new pages don't show up here I have to change how Kaja works...
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Zegnat Ah, Kaja spots Loqi created pages through IRC?
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Zegnat I am guessing the wiki’s atom feed doesn’t have WebSub you could subscribe to?
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sknebel it doesn't, otherwise I'd use that
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