2018-04-06 UTC
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# 06:10 Zegnat wonders if Loqi announcing the newsletter draft should go into the meta channel as well [colinwalker], [pfefferle], AngeloGladding, Kyle-K, Loqi_, aaronpk, [kevinmarks] and onlinemarketinga joined the channel
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# 20:34 sknebel aaronpk: btw, how does Loqi get the wiki edit notifications - doesn't seem documented on the wiki (or I missed it) # 20:39 aaronpk it sends a UDP packet to the perl bot on each edit # 20:40 aaronpk hm it's still using that, i thought i had changed it # 20:41 sknebel wondered if we couldn't relatively easily convert that to a websub ping to e.g. switchboard, and get websub on the wiki that way # 20:47 aaronpk i mean at the very least i could make Loqi ping switchboard # 20:49 sknebel hm, otherwise it could just have been the page url # 20:50 aaronpk you want to subscribe to the recentchanges feed right? # 20:51 sknebel if it's just for Kaja it'd probably be easier if we just gave it the UDP feed too # 20:51 sknebel but if we could get the wiki WebSubified that might be neat # 20:52 sknebel theres also a pubsubhubbub extension, but I'm not sure if it still works/is maintained [jjdelc] joined the channel
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# 21:28 Loqi [Chris Aldrich] An Introduction to the IndieWeb # 21:28 aaronpk ooh it was posted to indienews when it was on altplatform kaushalmodi joined the channel
# 21:40 aaronpk sknebel: Zegnat: those two URLs now support websub # 21:40 Loqi aaronpk has 52 karma in this channel (1612 overall) # 21:41 aaronpk that was a PITA getting the headers wrangled in mediawiki tho # 21:43 aaronpk mediawiki apparently sets a Link header and overrides any previous Link header that has been set # 21:43 aaronpk which is an unfortunate side effect of WebSub re-using the Link header bear joined the channel
# 21:47 aaronpk that or i just can't find the specific mediawiki hook to tell it to add an HTTP Link header # 21:48 aaronpk i tried using the php header() function in the config file but i was overruled jalcine joined the channel
# 21:54 tantek HWC organizers - be sure to update / uncomment your city's HWC event accordingly! # 21:55 bear it's what I call the class of devs that grew up with modern browsers and see the world in either "it's all js or nothing" or "it's all php or nothing" # 21:56 bear especially those that seem intent on rewriting *everything* in some js or derived language # 21:57 bear I don't mind javascript or php - great tools for creating web applications - but there is a class of dev that want to do *everything* in nodejs when a call to an already existing library would do the trick # 21:57 tantek post-browser is confusing then, as the js-only devs IMO are doing browser-only dev, (nearly no server) # 21:57 tantek nodejs itself is confusing. is it a language, a framework, an http server? # 21:57 bear I could pick a better name than post-browser, sure # 21:59 tantek ok time to iterate on the "Changed Wiki Pages" section of the newsletter which is getting quite long (and not as useful perhaps) # 22:00 tantek like maybe a paragraph for each # s of edits? # 22:00 tantek or is it useful to show *who* edited each page? # 22:01 tantek I'm also wondering if it would help to block certain pages from the "Changed Wiki Pages" summary that are *always* in there # 22:02 tantek e.g. "Events" - it's edits are already reflected in much greater detail earlier in the newsletter # 22:03 tantek oops my copy/pasta of a photo in a future event made it into the newsletter online version # 22:04 bear would love to see substantial edits or new pages bubble to the top and then have a list of other changes - then it will be easier to spot new or significant updates # 22:04 tantek new pages have their own section in the newsletter already # 22:06 bear huh, I always thought ... well cool then # 22:11 tantek I think 5 might be a good threshold for # of edits to make it "interesting" enough to list on its own # 22:11 tantek and any page with fewer edits that that can be grouped into a paragraph with inline list of linked pages # 22:16 aaronpk so the current list of changed pages would stop after the ones with 4 edits, then everything below is just one long list of page names? # 22:16 aaronpk removing the information "X edits" and the username for all pages with <4 edits? # 22:19 tantek is it ok to omit the author info on low # s of edits? # 22:19 tantek or ironically are those the ones that someone should look at? # 22:30 tantek aaronpk: I don't suppose the newsletter could de-dupe image urls it finds? # 22:32 aaronpk i thought it did that already actually, i wonder what happened [kevinmarks], [eddie] and [ryan339] joined the channel
# 23:58 tantek hope that helps give you a baseline to start with jalcine ! # 23:59 tantek aaronpk made the point that we should consider adding Jekyll also
chrisaldrich What is a URL?
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "URL" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "URL is ____", a sentence describing the term)
microblog.ducamp.me created /Template:addyourself-fr (+851) "translation of 
aaronpk this is the new thing https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRCFeeds
Zegnat WebSub for https://indieweb.org/Special:RecentChanges or its XML version https://indieweb.org/wiki/api.php?hidebots=1&days=7&limit=50&action=feedrecentchanges&feedformat=atom would probably go a long way? (And also help external readers.)
tantek hey this is a great article we should get posted to IndieNews! http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/
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