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Loqi [superfeedr] "“What up, Colin I dig this post” “Third person is how we sound smarterest (Walker, 2016)” “The best approach..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-23 https://jgregorymcverry.com/2858-2/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Throw back to @ncte 2008 where @lauriehenry @wiobryne @lzread98 and I presented on blogging: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gucNmY8rQ5ffKJQf7-2pyV-ei7qXxVlF2KboKaU05KY/edit?usp=sharing My slides blank presented from my blog. #IndieWeb is a value not a technology" by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-23 https://jgregorymcverry.com/throw-back-to-ncte-2008-where-lauriehenry-wiobryne-lzread98-and-i-presented-on-blogging-https-docs-google-com-presentation-d-1gucnmy8rq5ffkjqf7-2pyv-ei7qxxvlf2kbokau05ky-edituspsharing-my-sli/
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GWG tantek: You were there for the second HWC NYC
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tantek not the first?
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GWG The first was just me and the guy whose name escapes me
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GWG I remember the first time I met you. It was April 26, 2014, at the first IWC NYC
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tantek ah HWC right
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tantek yes I remember now
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GWG And here I am, 4 years later, still trying to make the process of posting to my website seamless.
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tantek GWG, here I am, 8+ years later, still trying to make the process of posting to my website seamless. I sympathize
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tantek but more importantly, still posting to my website instead of Twitter (and many more silos since)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Viewing your life as a project" by wiobyrne on 2018-04-19 https://wiobyrne.com/viewing-your-life-as-a-project/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Switching up my signals" by wiobyrne on 2018-04-29 https://wiobyrne.com/switching-up-my-signals/
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GWG tantek: How close are you?
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tantek to ... ?
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GWG To seamless
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GWG I feel like I'm infinitely closer
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GWG We have two alpha Android Micropub clients
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GWG Micropub and IndieAuth for WordPress connects my site to them
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GWG Post Kinds allows me to support different types of posts.
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tantek seamless? you mean like brain to text ? ;)
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GWG Still working on POSSE
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tantek yes with Micropub you're far ahead of me :)
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GWG tantek: Seamless as in...no tech issues that talk me out of quickly documenting my thoughts
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GWG I think we've discussed that before
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tantek GWG, we can only reduce the friction, not eliminate it
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GWG I think I'm close to a minimally acceptable level of friction
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jgmac1106 well thanks to both of you for keeping the gears well oiled
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tantek the interesting thing is, if you succeed, eventually you will find something else to improve :)
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tantek jgmac1106: I have prioritized exploring the UX of presenting various post types, and the UX / design / microcopy of POSSEing various post types to various silos
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tantek because I feel that is more important (more people reading my site than writing it), and solving those kinds of UX problems are "hard problems" that I can help with to advance the state of the art on the indieweb
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jgmac1106 have you seen my spreadsheet? That is all I have been doing
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jgmac1106 I want to connect a spreadsheet, to screnshots of POSSE and wesbite (WordPress) and then to the way the post gets marked up
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jgmac1106 but I quickly discovered in Wordpress screnshots of POSSE and wesbite (WordPress) and then to the way the post gets marked up
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jgmac1106 is dependant on theme. So I am going back and forth should the energy be spent in recruiting and onboarding the big theme communities to remove the microformats kruff.
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jgmac1106 [tantek] my other issue is what is the UX today on WordPress may not be the UX tomorrow. Been enjoying my time doing WordPress only showed me I want to bail but I can’t because WordPress it the #IndieWeb gateway drug
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jgmac1106 and I want to push the hard stuff. Oh well if working a corner was easy everyone would be an #IndieWeb banger…and that is as far as that metaphor should go
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tantek jgmac1106: I have not seen your spreadsheet
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tantek I don't get the metaphor but perhaps that is best
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jgmac1106 meaning everyone I onboard will come through WordPress. I need to be a model
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jgmac1106 when I want to jump ship
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jgmac1106 here is the sheet, but its outdated some things changed in last 24 hours: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19l28iCNAcMiwL2Tpko0GhiLVAVyl9DPltNS8ZvumwoE/edit?usp=sharing
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tantek jgmac1106: there are two very different cases to consider
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tantek 1. existing WordPress users
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tantek 2. new users looking for a new site
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tantek I'd say the energy may be better spent steering type 2 to Known
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tantek or micro.blog
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jgmac1106 Good point I created some 30 new wordpress.com users today
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tantek but yes, helping existing WordPress users onboard indieweb functionality is key
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jgmac1106 I like html too much to use micro.blog
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tantek but is your effort for yourself, or trying to help gateway people to indieweb?
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tantek what is your primary objective?
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jgmac1106 the other issue us what do they use to syndicate, you know this better than me, but JetPack spts out markup that could play nice with MF2, and I haven’t tested all the SNAP options, and then there is Bridgy but that is just to Twitter
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jgmac1106 my primary objective is to help myself by helping others. I learn so much trying to stay a chapter ahead
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tantek yes that's a good approach for helping type 1 users
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jgmac1106 I was hoping we could have a comprehensive wiki page ofr doc of the book with all the post kinds and what happens where when you syndicate with what, but that will be a long term oal
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tantek ofr?
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jgmac1106 but in all my time doing thismost people go from blogger, weebly, wordpress.com, etc>shared hosting WordPress>something else but it seems to be a 7-10 year cycle for many
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tantek jgmac1106: such "overview" wiki pages typically get out of date quickly because people don't have time to update them
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tantek we keep track of how to POSSE to particular silo destinations on the pages for the silos themselves
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tantek e.g. https://indieweb.org/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter
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jgmac1106 well for example I didn’t know that based on w3c standards folks shared I should leave the title blank in a WordPress post because if you add a title a note becomes a post, but then you will get a numerical permalink, but if you have a title Twitter will display that and truncate your post
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tantek (I should break that out into a separate page likely, like this)
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tantek https://indieweb.org/POSSE_to_Facebook
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tantek no that has nothing to do with any w3c standards
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tantek I mean there's the Post Type Discovery W3C Note
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tantek is that what you're referring to
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jgmac1106 It is wrong but I have resorted to copying the same title into the body so it plays how I want on Twitter on WordPress
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tantek that sounds like a weird Wordpress trick
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jgmac1106 yes that is what I meant, I filed an issue about header tags and folks said I should be leaving title blank to be compliant with the discovery notes
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tantek and nothing that a user should have to put up with. ever
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jgmac1106 WordPress users are used to puttin gup with alot
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jgmac1106 its a theme issue and Dave’s great and I want to celebrrate his work so trying to find ways to help him with documentation
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tantek if the goal is to get WordPress users to post tweets on their own website instead of (before) Twitter, then I'm not sure that's a good enough bar
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tantek "used to putting up with a lot"
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jgmac1106 the wiki page is great but I want screenshots for the “more details” link for each plug in
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jgmac1106 that is where type 1 people will go
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tantek because they won't, they'll just use the Twitter client(s) directly
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jgmac1106 Not sure in the digital humanities, new literacies, digped, circles I head in. Folks are interested and have been blogging for 5+ years which is a good metric of readiness I just made up out of no where
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jgmac1106 so I started that spreadsheet hoping to help [gwg] with documentation atleast for his theme and bridgy, if folks syndicate with JetPack and SNAP we can’t control those pages
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jgmac1106 It is also teaching me a ton about good semantic markup as I compare how each theme renders a post-kind differently
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jgmac1106 well I am gonna go watch Expanse and maybe sneak in a game of Splatoon on kids switch, thx for catching. Hope travels have been safe and productive
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gRegorLove__ Unfortunately an issue with WP is the interface is primarily for articles: title and a body. Then with plugins you can add all sorts of custom fields and functions, but there's not a way to turn off the title field, afaik.
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gRegorLove__ So easy note posting in WP might require a custom interface. Or using micropub.
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GWG gRegorLove__: I may go there
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GWG Custom interface
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gRegorLove__ I think it's definitely worth considering, yeah.
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gRegorLove__ I think most WP users would be confused by "use this other client" when they're used to logging in to WP and posting directly.
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jgmac1106 also remember new wordpress users don’t use the “old” editor. During my ux interviews to people have said, “Oh you use the old editor still"
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jgmac1106 is a long pause until after Gutenberg the best approach, things are stable
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gRegorLove__ What's the new editor?
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jgmac1106 gRegorLove_ I also think though the mf2 markup changes how titles and ellipsed articles post to Twitter,
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jgmac1106 think wordpress.com and what the future will hold after Gutenberg
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jgmac1106 thats what they mean when they say “new editor"
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gRegorLove ah, didn't realize Gutenberg was out.
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jgmac1106 its not. different thing, but just as wordpress.com is a major json overhaul…
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jgmac1106 I have been reading up a bunch on what WordPress considers best practices with their titles and theme development. I agree major inconsistencies [gRegorLove__] with the Discovery Notes
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jgmac1106 [gRegorLove] You can use the wordpress.com editor with a wordpress.org site if you sign on through jetpack
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jgmac1106 Drupal IndieWeb will be next experience. i want all the headaches
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tantek jgmac1106: have you reviewed the WordPress setup Tutorial by j12t?
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tantek what is WordPress Tutorial
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WordPress Tutorial" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "WordPress Tutorial is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek hmm they're not that well organized so for now
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tantek WordPress Tutorial is /Tutorials
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Loqi ok
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tantek jgmac1106: ^^^ take a look, includes syndicating / POSSEing
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I see the confusion now. Concepts of print is really an emergent literacy skill, title, author, picture, word, capital, period, sentence, left to right (in wesern civ) etc. In terms of pixel or print? #IWantAlltheTexts. BTW I am publishing all htese from my site using the #indieweb stuff we talked about." by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-24 https://jgregorymcverry.com/i-see-the-confusion-now-concepts-of-print-is-really-an-emergent-literacy-skill-title-author-picture-word-capital-period-sentence-left-to-right-in-wesern-civ-etc-in-terms-of-pixel-or-print/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "We will see about #ncte18. The NCTE>Thanksgiving>LRA and find time to teach turn around is crazy,..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-24 https://jgregorymcverry.com/ncte18youcoming/
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schmarty this-week << [[This_Week_in_the_IndieWeb_Audio_Edition]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[This_Week_in_the_IndieWeb_Audio_Edition]]" to the "See Also" section of /this-week-in-the-indieweb https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=47951&oldid=47078
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Loqi [superfeedr] "ActivityPub" by kaputse on 2018-05-24 https://activitypub.rocks/
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/chrismessina/status/999764434217123840
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@chrismessina @alexrkonrad Folks like @t @adactio et al continue to fight the good fight for the #IndieWeb https://vimeo.com/265121482 (Also, @Gargron w/ Mastodon, etc) (twitter.com/_/status/999764434217123840)
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[tantek] https://vimeo.com/265121482
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[tantek] What date was that adactio talk at Webstock? Let’s capture it in /videos_about !
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gRegorLove 2/15 https://www.webstock.org.nz/18/programme/
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tantek any particular hot topics for the next HWC?
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tantek is reviewing recent changes for anything particularly hot
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tantek evening [jgmac1106] - any topics of recent interest (past two weeks) worthy of bringing up at HWC? Or announcements?