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Loqi [superfeedr] "Concluding my All-In #IndieWeb @WordPress 14 Day challenge" by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-30 https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/concluding-my-all-in-indieweb-wordpress-14-day-challenge-a655174ae8c9?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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tantek.com edited /events/2016-06-08-decentralized-web-summit (+262) "Discussion, link to their Slack team" (view diff)
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tantek_ is blushing at the mention near the start of episode 4 of the "IndieWeb Podcast" with GWG and Chrisaldrich
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Concluding my All-In #IndieWeb @WordPress 14 Day challenge" by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-30 https://jgregorymcverry.com/concluding-my-all-in-indieweb-wordpress-14-day-challenge/
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GWG Was it 4 or 5 we compared aaronpk to a piece of furniture?
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tantek_ GWG not sure, haven't gotten to 5 yet. Currently you and chrisaldrich are discussing backfeed from Twitter
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GWG tantek_: I should ask chrisaldrich when we're next recording
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tantek_ GWG, indeed I may catch-up soon!
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tantek_ Lots of really good material in this episode 4
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tantek_ GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 9 karma in this channel (358 overall)
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tantek_ chrisaldrich++
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tantek_ What is the IndieWeb Podcast?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb Podcast" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IndieWeb Podcast is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG We both enjoy the talk
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tantek_ GWG do you have a new name for it yet?
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GWG An Indieweb Podcast, not the
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tantek.com edited /events/2018-07-31-decentralized-web-summit (+64) "schedule page still shows 2016 schedule" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+594) "add remaining 2018 dates" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+5126) "Add remaining 2018 HWC dates, Decentralized Web Summit 2018" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /events/2018-06-13-decentralized-web-meetup (+335) "stub with date, time, location, tickets URL, participating" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+13) "/* June */ fix Decentralized Web Meetup details, replace copy/pasta" (view diff)
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tantek_ !tell aaronpk well I started a wiki page for the dweb meetup to at least have a place to gather more info as we have it - feel free to add - including questions, tc. https://indieweb.org/events/2018-06-13-decentralized-web-meetup
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek_ Well that was not the indieweb meta work I thought I was going to work on today but that's what seemed to come up so that's what I documented. At least we got HWC dates through 2018 posted so hopefully all you organizers can plan ahead!
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tantek_ that geddski tweet and /Medium login-wall screenshot
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tantek_ rather, sign-up / sign-in wall
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tantek_ is there an official term for that sort of thing?
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tantek_ https://twitter.com/geddski/status/1001590716265512961
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@geddski 2017: maybe I should just use medium instead of my own custom blog? 2018: whew https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeZdWYjVQAIQw2e.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1001590716265512961)
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tantek_ ^^^ see screenshot
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tantek_ events/2018-06-13-decentralized-web-meetup << https://twitter.com/internetarchive/status/997483476998807552
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/internetarchive/status/997483476998807552" to the "See Also" section of /events/2018-06-13-decentralized-web-meetup https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48070&oldid=48064
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tantek_ Medium << https://twitter.com/geddski/status/1001590716265512961
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/geddski/status/1001590716265512961" to the "See Also" section of /Medium https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48074&oldid=47281
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tantek_ Medium << https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeZdWYjVQAIQw2e.jpg
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Loqi ok, I added "https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeZdWYjVQAIQw2e.jpg" to the "See Also" section of /Medium https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48075&oldid=48074
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Zegnat Ooh, that’s an interesting pop-up!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Drafting #IndieWeb Principles for the Rest of Us" by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-30 https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/drafting-indieweb-principles-for-the-rest-of-us-42432b5df6bd?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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jgmac1106 welcome the feedback, just a first draft and not everything trnslated well
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jgmac1106 It is 6:30 AM my time so my morning hour winding down but will check in feedback once kids off to school
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jgmac1106 [petermolnar] I welcome feedback. Remember my target audience is probably somebody who has had a wordpress.com or blogger account a few years. When I wokr with students they have never had a place online beyond social media
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petermolnar so for generation 3, maybe 4; I completely agree that own your data is the first priority, but is the domain that important? Maybe choosing a provider with good data portability is an option as a first step towards owning your data, no?
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jgmac1106 for the latter group I just start with the three overarching #IndieWeb values and then try to get them to princeples
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jgmac1106 [petermolar] Yeah I was goin back and forth on that especially since I know so many that have #Indie flair but may not own their domain
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jgmac1106 I edited the “getting Started” guide of the wiki to try and reflect that as well
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petermolnar and I'd certainly put 'content is more important' higher
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jgmac1106 Will do. I was trying to make the list parellel but that may not make more sense
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petermolnar by the way, I think we have brainstorming pages on the wiki; given this is one of the topics that is likely to be discussed in the IWC, I'd recommend starting one
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jgmac1106 I want folks pushing content not worrying about if everythign is working as priority one
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petermolnar I might even argue that 'have fun' should be higher as well
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jgmac1106 I saw that and its on the Leaders page as a topic so I didn’t want to make huge changes if others are already planning to do stuff. Just wanted to share some of my ideas
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jgmac1106 Well time to wake up the family. Got extra work in because it is one of those days where all three kids ended up in my bed. Thx [petermolnar] I will try to work in your edits. Kind of wish we used the discussion pages on the wiki for this kind of drafting
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Zegnat BTW, petermolnar, now that we have you here. Did you still want to do vHWC tonight?
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jgmac1106 I have my Mumble set up. I may join.
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jgmac1106 but we have a VHWC tonight as well
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Zegnat jgmac1106: you can always open new wiki pages under your own user page (see http://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se_martijn/ for examples) if you want to draft stuff
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petermolnar I can join ~17:30 BST
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petermolnar but not earlier
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petermolnar sorry :(
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Zegnat My evening is free, so I am happy to just start 17:30 BST
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Zegnat petermolnar, ^^^ vHWC set for 18:30 CEST (which should be 17:30 BST)
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petermolnar \o/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Drafting #IndieWeb Principles for the Rest of Us" by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-30 https://jgregorymcverry.com/drafting-indieweb-principles-for-the-rest-of-us/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@petermolnar suggested I make a few edits. Peter’s think was to describe “Own Your Data” more." by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-30 https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/petermolnar-suggested-i-make-a-few-edits-peters-think-was-to-describe-own-your-data-more-ffaea470f3bc?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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jgmac1106 oops forgot I turned the Medium plug-in back on
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Tim Berners-Lee zu Re-Dezentralisierung des Web—und was das mit dem Studiengang Content-Strategie zu tun hat" by &lt;span class='p-author h-card'&gt;Heinz Wittenbrink&lt;/span&gt; on 2018-05-30 https://wittenbrink.net/lostandfound/tim-berners-lee-zu-re-dezentralisierung-des-web-und-was-das-mit-dem-studiengang-content-strategie-zu-tun-hat/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Decided to put in an #IndieWeb flavored Week of Welcome proposal for incoming first year students…" by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-30 https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/decided-to-put-in-an-indieweb-flavored-week-of-welcome-proposal-for-incoming-first-year-students-c4b7096a72df?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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[jeremycherfas] I’ll be in transit. Sorry. Have fun.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Decided to put in an #IndieWeb flavored Week of Welcome proposal for incoming first year students at..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-30 https://jgregorymcverry.com/2962-2/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Mastodon now supports rel-me links for distributed verification. Shame Google plus broke them and twitter needs a hack #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2018-05-30 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/mastodon-now-supports-rel-me-links-for-distributed-verification-shame-google
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reply to Your Challenge: Take Back The Open Web" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-05-30 https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/30/reply-to-your-challenge-take-back-the-open-web/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "🎧 An Indieweb Podcast: Episode 4 – Webmentions and Privacy" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-05-30 https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/30/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-4-webmentions-and-privacy-2/
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tantek good morning #indieweb-meta! HWC day!
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tantek note the HWC pop-up happening in Capo d'Orlando, Italy!
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tantek and has vHWC EU already started?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The workaround that unmung.com has used is ..." by Kevin Marks on 2018-05-30 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/the-workaround-that-unmungcom-has-used-is
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Quick reminder that there's a Virtual Homebrew Website Club Meetup tonight. It's likely to have a very #DoOO and #edTech slant given the current RSVPs." by Chris Aldrich on 2018-05-30 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2018/quick-reminder-that-theres-a-virtual-homebrew-website-club-meetup
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Zegnat tantek, vHWC EU started, some people already left, some people still hanging around. Discussing readers right now
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tantek Zegnat, question for the crowd then - has anyone thought about what happens when IndieWeb readers succeed - will they repeat the thundering herd problem?
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tantek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thundering_herd_problem (via skippy)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "An awesome example of a non-own your domain #IndieWeb course site." by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-30 https://jgregorymcverry.com/2977-2/
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tantek Zegnat, others in EU-ish timezones, any photos to post for today already? https://indieweb.org/events/2018-05-30-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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Zegnat I have a screenshot of my Mumble client, yes. Haha
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Zegnat The page had several more going on, so hopefully there will be actual photos from Nürnberg/Brighton
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sknebel vHWC finished
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tantek nice
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tantek I assume Mumble lacks video / faces so all we see is a web UI?
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Zegnat Yep
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Zegnat But Mumble was pretty well sustainable on my 4G network as well as on ancarda’s public train wifi during commute. Until those WebRTC video conference systems are able to give me that stability, I like to stick with Mumble
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tantek makes sense.
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[grantcodes] aaronpk: missed those notifications for some reason
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[grantcodes] but at the moment I don't think I'm able to make it to IWC this year
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[grantcodes] Oops, IWS
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[grantcodes] Hmm, looking at the dates it could kind of line up with travel plans, but don't know if I would have the money for the flights to be honest, would be going NYC > Portland > Scotland instead of just NYC > Scotland
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aaronpk ooh that is a bit out of the way
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek_ left you a message 18 hours, 16 minutes ago: well I started a wiki page for the dweb meetup to at least have a place to gather more info as we have it - feel free to add - including questions, tc. https://indieweb.org/events/2018-06-13-decentralized-web-meetup
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] I meant to grab faceplates from last vHWC and overlay them on the screenshot you took…but...time
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[grantcodes] Also I'm not so sure how happy US customs would be with me doing that without a visa 😛
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[grantcodes] But I'll have a proper look in a week or so when I'm going to be booking other flights
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sknebel Zegnat: ^^^
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Zegnat sknebel++ for notes. I’ll see if anything more comes to mind and add
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Zegnat I am thinking I should do some sort of Noter Live during next vHWC. I too often forget to take notes.
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Zegnat Which is weird, considering I am pretty pedantic about scribing physical meetings
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sknebel we should probably etherpad again
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Zegnat Yes. That’s a good idea!
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Loqi definitely
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Zegnat 13 days until Zegnat and sknebel need an etherpad for vHWC
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2018-06-12 10:45pm CEST (#6313)
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Zegnat :P
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jgmac1106 stealing idea for noterlive for tonighgt
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Loqi [superfeedr] "📖 Suicide of the West: How the Rebirth of Tribalism, Populism, Nationalism, and Identity Politics Is Destroying American Democracy by Jonah Goldberg" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-05-29 https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/28/suicide-of-the-west-how-the-rebirth-of-tribalism-populism-nationalism-and-identity-politics-is-destroying-american-democracy-by-jonah-goldberg/
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sknebel Kaja << mf2 commands should understand gists
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Loqi ok, I added "mf2 commands should understand gists" to a brand new "See Also" section of /User:Kaja.sknebel.net https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48111&oldid=46131
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