#meta 2018-06-19

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[cleverdevil] [tantek] I’ve invited Brent! Made sure to mention virtual attendance as an option. Others can do the same 😀
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: tantek left you a message on 2018-03-27 at 12:45am UTC: if you're around Wednesday in SF, there's also this I highly recommend - perhaps we can meetup and chat there? https://www.eventbrite.com/e/meet-matter-san-francisco-happy-hour-tickets-44110541818
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[tantek] Heh
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Loqi [superfeedr] "So there was this one orange liqueur chocolate for my postprandial craving… #nowhaving" by Xavier Roy on 2018-06-19 https://xavierroy.com/2018/06/19/so-there-was-this-one-orange-liqueur-chocolate-for-my-postprandial-craving-nowhaving/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@anterorobot @chadsansig Meet @martijnvdven We have been brainstorming in #indieweb chat different…" by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-19 https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/anterorobot-chadsansig-meet-martijnvdven-we-have-been-brainstorming-in-indieweb-chat-different-f39b5fc09038?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@anterorobot @chadsansig  Meet @martijnvdven We have been brainstorming in #indieweb chat different ways..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-19 https://jgregorymcverry.com/3641-2/
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[jgmac1106] So when you leave someone a DM in most IRC clients and then sign off can you retrieve a response if you sign off
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sknebel they can't send you a response if you are offlien
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[jgmac1106] Explains why I never get a response. And here I thought I had no friends. Though those aren't mutually exclusive
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sknebel oh, and if you try to DM from slack to IRC that doesn't work
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[jgmac1106] That I knew. Need to spend time setting up VPN to figure out how to get IRC working on Verizon.
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[jgmac1106] Ended up deleting my client as when I lose wifi I lose IRC but it constantly pings eating my battery
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[jgmac1106] Somebody give Loqi. !Whisper power that works like tell but sends msg
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tantek__ ooh lets get all those @webstandards photos of @calum_ryan and his slides up on the wiki page so they get into the newsletter!
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tantek__ here: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-06-18-re-decentralising-web
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tantek__ events/2018-06-18-re-decentralising-web << https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/1009063287135318016
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/1009063287135318016" to the "See Also" section of /events/2018-06-18-re-decentralising-web https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48816&oldid=48513
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tantek__ !tell calumryan any photos of you from your re-decentralising talk? if you find any, please upload and add to https://indieweb.org/events/2018-06-18-re-decentralising-web#Photos
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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calumryan heh
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Loqi calumryan: tantek__ left you a message 1 week, 5 days ago: I strongly encourage yout submit a proposal for MozFest 2018! 26-28 Oct London, England: https://twitter.com/mozilla/status/1003738668333436928 https://mozillafestival.org/proposals
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Loqi calumryan: tantek__ left you a message 1 hour, 20 minutes ago: any photos of you from your re-decentralising talk? if you find any, please upload and add to https://indieweb.org/events/2018-06-18-re-decentralising-web#Photos
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calumryan tantek: just this https://twitter.com/mfujica/status/1008772926001287169
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@mfujica Back at @webstandards after two years! Aw I have missed it! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df_hnyHXkAEUrzm.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1008772926001287169)
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tantek__ calumryan, not sure that photo is the best to show out of context of your talk 😂
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tantek.com edited /events/2018-06-13-decentralized-web-meetup (+288) "add projects section to start a list of projects mentioned" (view diff)
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tantek__ for anyone else who was at last week's Internet Archive decentralized web meetup - could you add the projects mentioned and speakers that you remember? https://indieweb.org/events/2018-06-13-decentralized-web-meetup#Projects
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jgmac1106_ is anyone putting in an #IndieWeb proposal for MozFest? Looking at you [KevinMarks} but really for anyone in EU with funds to get to Ravensbourne MozFest is one of the best conferences I have attended
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tantek__ jgmac1106_: everyone who can get to London for MozFest should put in a proposal.
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tantek__ Even if you are not sure you can get there, put in a proposal anyway, and maybe see if you can apply for travel assistance
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jgmac1106_ yeah it is really cool. I think Jason from HWC-Baltimore was a “Space Wrangler” (a conference strand is called a Space, the organizer a Wrangler) last year he can fill folks in as well. I was supposed to Space Wrangle in 2016 but had to cancel as my brother secretly flew in for Halloween
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I am always up for chatting." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-19 https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/i-am-always-up-for-chatting-7aa6ed8e08d1?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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tantek__ I'm taking another look at the /projects page in another attempt to clean it up for this year's IWS
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tantek__ what do people think of limting / curating it to be specifically about: "Projects incubated by and also actively in use by the IndieWeb Community" (and moving any other projects to subpages) ?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I also think church groups such as yours should embrace #indieweb philosophies and tools to ensure your..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-19 https://jgregorymcverry.com/3647-2/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I am always up for chatting." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-19 https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/i-am-always-up-for-chatting-2b4fb95ac901?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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tantek__ jgmac1106, miklb I figured you may have some opinions about making /projects more useful, since you've thought a lot about the same kinds of issues for WordPress related setup / projects
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jgmac1106_ as long as I am being helpful, don’t want to chase rabbit holes if it doesn’t support folks. I am trying to document each theme, each plugin, and each syndication option but takes time. I think [miklb] idea of just building a framework for mf2 using the tool LinkedIn launched is a good idea
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jgmac1106_ I also think we should encourage and recruit popular theme developers to revise their themes, or get community member to make child themes that have correct mf2, everything breaks down there
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tantek__ yes that seems like a particular challenge for WordPress, so we can deep dive on that more in the #indieweb-wordpress channel
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tantek__ jgmac1106 what I'm wondering about is more the high-level documentation of approaches, people that want to consider WordPress and other options too
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jgmac1106_ ohh okay I see what you are saying so almost a starter guide of the projects page https://indieweb.org/projects though I don’t see micro.blog there. Is that an oversight or deliberate?
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jgmac1106_ For gen2 folks I see the options as WordPress: pick one of four themes or test out your existing theme, Known-Download from GitHub, install, set up MySQL Database, Micro.blog-sign up for monthky service or how to install on your own, Drupal…..haven’t gotten there yet but has a higher technical barrier, still need to try it for this
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jgmac1106_ except now I want to go play with FrancisCMS didn’t know about an RoR option
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jgmac1106_ but that would be waaay to hard for most
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@brentsimmons it’d be awesome to have you ..." by Jonathan LaCour on 2018-06-19 https://cleverdevil.io/2018/brentsimmons-itd-be-awesome-to-have-you
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jgmac1106_ [tantek] what we really need are more one button install options in CPanel or Installatron, just bugged friends at ReClaim Hosting to update their Known packages. They wont’t
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tantek__ jgmac1106_: that's worrying. what reason(s) were given for not updating?
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vanderven.se martijn created /User:Vanderven.se_martijn/Roleplaying_from_our_own_blogs (+7065) "Created page with "This is an idea that latched itself into my mind and I can’t let go. Most online role playing games (and I mean the [https://rpg.stackexchange.com/a/92449 theatre of the min..."" (view diff)
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tantek__ jgmac1106_: sounds like there needs to be an officially update package (which is a reasonable request), not just "go get the latest from github"
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tantek__ and that updated package needs to have release notes about which security bugs have been fixed, which features added etc., which will then help encourage web hosting companies to update to it!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "15 Jahre WordPress" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2018-06-19 https://notiz.blog/2018/06/19/15-jahre-wordpress/
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jgmac1106_ [mapkyca] been doing a great job and he launched the “unofficial” release page Ben said an “official 1.0” was coming soon that would be stripping all the commercial packages (Convoy, etc). I would assume that will be the last
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tantek__ the last what?
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jgmac1106_ [tantek] Do you envision edventually thinking about https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
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jgmac1106_ official release of Known CMS from Known as an entity but that is pure conjecture
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I would add one last step: Publish your tweets from your own blog and syndicate to Twitter using #IndieWeb..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-19 https://jgregorymcverry.com/3662-2/
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tantek__ jgmac1106_: indeed. just noticed your edit to Getting Started. Not sure I agree with putting community second though perhaps we can reframe it in a way that allows more knowledgable folks to skip it until they need it
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tantek__ jgmac1106_: I'd expect that WithKnown as an entity would hand-off any such responsibilities if it didn't want them.
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jgmac1106_ just wondering how https://twitter.com/vlucas/status/1009086357187256320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2Fkind%2Fnote%2Creply%2Clike%2F read the main homepage and left without knowing what indieweb was until he read [aaronpk] post on “future of readers"
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@vlucas @aaronpk That post gave me a MUCH better idea of what IndieWeb actually is than IndieWeb’s own website. Thanks for sharing. (twitter.com/_/status/1009086357187256320)
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tantek__ jgmac1106_: because he came at it from a very specific perspective, more on the consuming side than publishing
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tantek__ and frankly, we can't offer that level of "reading" support to "everyone" yet (not even all of gen1) because it's still proof of concept (very good proof) more than deployed open source that you can go setup yourself
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jgmac1106_ yeah my thought as well and we are all stoked for future of readers. His entire thread was about decentralized readers…though while I myself ain’t that religous I think God has quite the market share of bloggers
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tantek__ anyway, when the future of readers becomes more present, then we can be more explicit about what's working and usable today on the homepage
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tantek__ I'd like to see that sooner than later too, including screenshots of mobile clients showing indieweb reading, with proper chronological timelines etc.
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tantek__ !rt https://twitter.com/philnelson/status/1009152964009705472
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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Zegnat An event page that works without JS?! Haven’t seen one of those in years! ;)
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Zegnat !rt https://twitter.com/philnelson/status/1009152964009705472
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Loqi Thanks Zegnat and tantek__! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1009165548683292672
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Loqi [superfeedr] "15 Jahre WordPress" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2018-06-19 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/notizblog/~3/tQ4zn0tzbsc/
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tantek__ jgmac1106: re: eventually thinking about https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started, just saw your edits and iterated. Take a look: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
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tantek__ I also want to add adactio's recent IndieWeb talk to the videos section there
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tantek__ since it's newer than mine
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jgmac1106_ who did that slide show recently that was a great one was as well drushke is what me scattered memory is coming up with
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jgmac1106_ no one push install for unofficial builds on ReClaim. I tried: https://twitter.com/ReclaimHosting/status/1009158399639121921
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@ReclaimHosting @jgmac1106 @TimmyBoy @jimgroom @brumface @withknown @mapkyca This remains our response for now https://twitter.com/ReclaimHosting/status/993957040526684160. It is a large time commitment to build and maintain an installer in our environment so we have to be selective about what we can support. We'll be sure to update if anything changes. (twitter.com/_/status/1009158399639121921)
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jgmac1106_ They have 14,321 apps in their installer, will push every now and again, or I will add a tutorial using sftp and also updating .9.2 to 9.9.X
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[kevinmarks] Would doing an iwc around mozfest make sense?
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[kevinmarks] My colleagues at digital catapult could be persuaded to give space
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tantek__ kevinmarks perhaps? MozFest itself is on the weekend, and TPAC is immediately before that M-F, so maybe right after? but then that starts to collide with Halloween
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tantek__ kevinmarks, perhaps reach out (by email?) to adactio and see what he thinks, I know he still wants to help make an IWC Brighton happen this year
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[kevinmarks] Is tpac in UK or lyons?
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tantek__ LYON. and IWC NUR is the weekend before! See https://indieweb.org/Events#October for how busy October is
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tantek__ jgmac1106: where were you documenting all your IWC for Edu stuff?
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tantek__ I couldnt find anything at /education /eduweb /edutech /edu
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tantek__ jgmac1106++ for https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1009157757046525952 - need to archive that one on a IWC Edu related page
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@jgmac1106 @cultofpedagogy I would add one last step: Publish your tweets from your own blog and syndicate to Twitter using #IndieWeb tools. Teachers need to take control of their data. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/3662-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1009157757046525952)
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aaronpk scoped out the venue for IWS today and have all the details on the space we'll have
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aaronpk pretty excited!
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[kevinmarks] New addition for coffee or conduct examples https://2018.xoxofest.com/conduct
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tantek__ aaronpk++ awesome!
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Loqi aaronpk has 56 karma in this channel (1648 overall)
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aaronpk food order is placed for wednesday!
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aaronpk gonna need a few volunteers
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gRegorLove Sure, how can I help?
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tantek__ FYI: https://indieweb.org/2018#Volunteers
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tantek__ gRegorLove: I think first, find at least one more volunteer :)
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/2018/Planning#Volunteers
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tantek_ what is Installatron
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Installatron" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Installatron is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek_ what is sftp
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sftp" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "sftp is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek_ cc: jgmac1106 if you have a moment ^^^
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