#meta 2018-08-03

2018-08-03 UTC
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[tantek] aaronpk++ 😂😂
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Loqi aaronpk has 61 karma in this channel over the last year (310 in all channels)
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tantek__ time to catch-up on uploading photos from events this week!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "It’s Micro Monday again. I recommend everyone to start following @colinwalker, I think he was one of the first people I started following here on Micro.blog. If you are interested in IndieWeb, tech or philosophy it will be a follow worthwhile" on 2018-02-05 https://hjertnes.blog/post/3490cff3-9f33-4dd0-89bf-d85752a4f7ac/
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islandinthenet.com edited /2018/NYC/Guest_Book (+575) "/* Guest Book */" (view diff)
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islandinthenet.com edited /2018/NYC/Guest_Book (+37) "/* Guest Book */" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2018/NYC/Guest_Book (+542) "/* Guest Book */" (view diff)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The internet that took over the Internet" by Peter Molnar on 2018-03-25 https://petermolnar.net/internet-emotional-core/
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petermolnar hm
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petermolnar that should not have happened
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Loqi [superfeedr] "LinkedIn is ignoring user settings" by Peter Molnar on 2018-01-14 https://petermolnar.net/linkedin-public-settings-ignored/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Content, bloat, privacy, archives" by Peter Molnar on 2017-10-28 https://petermolnar.net/making-things-private/
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petermolnar superfeedr, you're being silly
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tantek.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (+36) "I think we 're down to 2-3 more for the year, putting hopefuls in a comment" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+116) "/* Oxford */ can't go but interested in helping beforehand" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2018/NYC/Guest_Book (+481) "adding myself here - will post an RSVP once I've booked flights! also how did I get on here before GWG? 😂" (view diff)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I’ve got myself hopefully confused with https://micro.blog/! I’d like to migrate from WP to MB, as I hardly ever long-form blog anyway, and then syndicate from there. But I can’t work out how to authenticate from Quill, which being an Android user is my only option until Dialog supports it (other than POSSEing from WP, which … Continue reading """ by raretrack on 2018-08-03 https://raretrack.uk/2018/08/249/
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tantek.com edited /2018/SF/Guest_Book (+83) "RSVP URL" (view diff)
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GWG I have been busy
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tantek__ same same :)
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tantek__ GWG, I have a 4 min talk for you if you have the time and/or want the distraction :D
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GWG I am going to work in a minute but sure
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tantek__ GWG, video link at top of indieweb.org/dweb2018
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Loqi [superfeedr] "RIP Facebook for Bridgy" by Ryan Barrett on 2018-08-03 https://snarfed.org/2018-08-03_rip-facebook-for-bridgy
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jgregorymcverry.com created /2018/NYC/Leaders (+3998) "addin NYC Leaders page" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (-10) "/* Regrets */" (view diff)
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robertvanbregt.nl created /User:Robertvanbregt.nl (+422) "initial version" (view diff)
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[dougbeal] The final newsletter is 2pm PDT?
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tantek.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+25) "+date, see also, s/Berlin/NYC" (view diff)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Setting up Website Notifications with Serverless" on 2018-08-03 https://stevestreza.com/2018/08/03/website-notifications/
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dougbeal.com edited /events/2018-08-08-homebrew-website-club (+146) "/* Where */ Add Seattle and change time to 5:00" (view diff)
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dougbeal.com edited /events/2018-08-08-homebrew-website-club (+31) "/* Seattle Area */ add dougbeal inidie rsvp link" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+50) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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tantek__ oh dear I'm behind on photos for newsletter
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tantek__ going to upload (in meeting) curretly
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tantek__ may need help adding to wiki pages
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dougbeal tantek__: sure
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2018-iwc-sf-people.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2018-iwc-sf-people.jpg"
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dougbeal Nice photo
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tantek.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+14) "RSVP intent" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2018/SF (+103) "/* Photos */ group photo" (view diff)
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2018-08-02-dweb-t-lightning.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2018-08-02-dweb-t-lightning.jpg"
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tantek.com edited /2018/SF (+8) "explicit src alt" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2018-08-01-decentralized-web-summit (+306) "add photo by benwerd" (view diff)
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tantek__ well that's two more events
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tantek__ kinda wish we had more newsletter previews for rapid iteration before the deadline
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sknebel shouldn't be to hard to trigger preview rebuilds from wiki changes?
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tantek__ sknebel++ good idea
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Loqi sknebel has 13 karma in this channel over the last year (71 in all channels)
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/Intros (+931) "/* Attendees */ start dumping notes" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/Intros (+2861) "/* Attendees */ moar" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2018/SF (+0) "too late now but note to self (and everyone) put your </div> <!-- h-event --> at the END of the page" (view diff)
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dougbeal tantek__: is that why the photos didn't show?
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tantek__ yeah
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aaronpk I was trying to figure that out
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tantek__ I should've known to check the page(s) in pin13
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tantek__ was a little too busy multitasking in a meeting to remember such a detail :/
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kspencer2 This channel has been hacked by Australia's #1 hacker Simon 'eVestigator' Smith https://evestigatorsucks.com/
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Loqi Welcome, kspencer2. We've had an influx of IRC spam recently, and you were not yet recognized as a non-spammer. Your previous message wasn't sent to the channel, but I'm repeating it below so everyone can see it. You are now marked as verified, so your future messages will be sent as normal.
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Loqi kspencer2: This channel has been hacked by Australia's #1 hacker Simon 'eVestigator' Smith https://evestigatorsucks.com/
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aaronpk oh no
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tantek__ so that didn't work
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tantek__ how come kspencer2 was verified?
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aaronpk weird, that shouldn't have been verified so quick
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aaronpk supposed to wait 30 seconds
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tantek__ almost like an if true
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aaronpk everyone gets verified if they don't say anything for 30 seconds
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tantek__ aaronpk could Loqi regen the newsletter every time there's been wiki edit with a max regen frequency of every 5 min? (perhaps at least on Fridays?)
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aaronpk hmm
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tantek__ how long does a regen take?
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aaronpk several seconds
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aaronpk longer with more pictures since it copies them
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tantek__ ok but still less than a minute
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aaronpk yea
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tantek__ then even once every minute if there's been a wiki edit should work right?
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tantek__ when it ticks over to :00 seconds
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tantek__ dougbeal possibly multiple problems, one was the photo not being in the h-event
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tantek__ and the second (dwebsummit) was likely that the link to the wiki page was not a u-url
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tantek__ on the /events page
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tantek__ darn. we need an (easier) way to include u-url for link to a wiki page for an event that has its own primary URL
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tantek__ a *multiday* event that has its own primary URL
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tantek__ !tell gRegorLove is/was there a multi-day event template?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek__ cant find one in any obvious place
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tantek__ so how hard could this be
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gRegorLove tantek__: No. I tried back in the day and ran into MediaWiki version/plugin limitations. I haven't revisited yet with the upgraded MW. Might be possible now.
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gRegorLove User:Gregorlove.com << check on multi day event template with now-upgraded MediaWiki
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Loqi ok, I added "check on multi day event template with now-upgraded MediaWiki" to a brand new "See Also" section of /User:Gregorlove.com https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50611&oldid=44716
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loqi.me edited /User:Gregorlove.com (+81) "gRegorLove added "check on multi day event template with now-upgraded MediaWiki" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek__ alright imma gonna hack something
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/Intros (+5323) "/* Attendees */ finished on-site attendees" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/Intros (+410) "/* Remote Attendees */" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /Template:two-day-event (+2192) "try a hack for auto computing second day. template or doc first? let's try template first" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /Template:two-day-event/doc (+2953) "doc second" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/Intros () "(-35474) rm chatlog dump" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (-10) "yeah let's try a two day event template" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Looks good!
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tantek__ gRegorLove: feel free to review https://indieweb.org/Template:two-day-event
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tantek__ figured a two-day hack was good enough for now for 99% of multi-day use-cases
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tantek__ no need to enter day 2
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tantek__ also there's a weird thing happening with end time and timezone offsets
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tantek__ see http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://indieweb.org/Events
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Loqi OSCON 2018
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tantek__ and search for "5:00"
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tantek__ note:
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tantek__ "end": [ "22:00-5:00-0500" ]
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tantek__ that's not good
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gRegorLove I wonder if we can use <time> now. That was an annoying limitation of earlier MW
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tantek.com edited /Events (+140) "no wiki page, no using event template, commented out Virtual Homebrew Website Club-Blogging 101 because it lacks a wiki page and that screws up one-day-event template" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+140) "another one" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Looks like dt-start uses VCP but dt-end doesn't. I'll check on why php-mf2 isn't implying the date part for dt-end.
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tantek was also an event that wasn't even displaying on /Events because it lacked a wiki URL
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tantek so I commented it out
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tantek least work to unbreak the pager
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tantek page*
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tantek there are more though
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tantek hmm they seem to work
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gRegorLove Yeah, I think it will apply to any event with one-day template?
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tantek no
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tantek something was weird about the virtual HWC events with tz offsets
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tantek somehow lacking a wiki page was screwing up their end date
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tantek there's a 02-20 HWC event in Baltimore with -0500 that works fine
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gRegorLove Gotcha
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tantek__ dougbeal, confirmed, two problems. IWC SF lacked the photo because the </div> h-event was in the wrong place, and DWeb2018 lacked the photo because the /Events entry did not have a u-url to the wiki page so the wiki page was not discovered, and thus the photo was not found
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tantek.com edited /Events () "(-937) move July events to past" (view diff)
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tantek__ uh gRegorLove, WTH Norman, OK? https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Events&diff=prev&oldid=50551
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tantek__ wat https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Homebrew_Website_Club&type=revision&diff=50555&oldid=50416 * Organizer(s): ?
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tantek__ then where the did info come from?
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gRegorLove It's on the event page. Found via a tweet in #indieweb
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gRegorLove https://libraries.ou.edu/content/homebrew-website-club
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tantek__ ah: " Contact Sarah Pugachev if you have any questions. "
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gRegorLove I was surprised too. I wasn't sure if she was the organizer or just a contact.
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tantek__ a contact for an event qualifies as an organizer
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tantek__ (certainly by default, lacking any other info)
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tantek__ we should at least put that
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tantek__ otherwise I wouldn't expect someone who found the event through us to even bother clicking through
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Loqi yea
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gRegorLove clicking through where?
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gRegorLove I was conservative with the edit bc I wasn't sure if they might be a university employee responsible for the venue booking vs someone actually organizing it.
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tantek clicking through from our event listing
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tantek hmm - I don't know how to balance that
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tantek also how can we even tell if the event happened?
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tantek first time in a new city from someone not on chat
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gRegorLove We could just list "Contact: " instead of "Organizer:" on /HWC
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gRegorLove I guess I don't see the issue on the event page itself; we don't usually list organizers there.
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gRegorLove Whether it happened is also an interesting question.
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tantek or both/either
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tantek like if all we have is a contact, we can list "Contact:"
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gRegorLove yeah
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gRegorLove tantek, about to reply to their tweet to ask
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tantek good call