#meta 2018-08-19

2018-08-19 UTC
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[tantek] aaronpk then why do I still see the spam in Slack?
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[tantek] (YouTube video links)
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aaronpk I haven't looked in slack in a couple days but I'm guessing there is only one instance of the YouTube link that got through? Loqis adaptive spam filtering isn't integrated with the slack gateway yet so the first new spam phrase still gets through to slack before it's blocked
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[tantek] Ok good to know. I’ll keep deleting on the Slack side then :)
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aaronpk Does that match with what you see in slack?
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[tantek] Yes. I’m seeing occasional one-off new instances
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aaronpk This has been working well enough I might try to move that code into the part that does the slack gateway and Web logs to avoid that problem
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aaronpk I'm hesitant to spend any more time on this stuff than necessary because this spam wave is not going to last forever
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[tantek] ^^^ I appreciate your optimism aaronpk 😂
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[tantek] (If email is any lesson, the spam waves never go away, they just keep evolving)
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[tantek] In other news I finally resorted to creating a Mastodon account to explore the UX, contrast with IndieWeb solutions etc
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aaronpk well this one is a targeted attack on a few individuals so i suspect the person will get bored eventually
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[tantek] https://xoxo.zone/@t (I refuse to use the ridiculous @@ syntax, lest anyone forgets, remember that AT-ATs are a tool of The Empire)
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aaronpk [tantek]: lol that sounds similar to my reasons for building activitypub support into my site, which was partially to explore the protocols to contrast with the indieweb solutions
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[tantek] aaronpk or they’ll point their spam gun at another target. Or worse they’ll hire themselves out for spam-as-a-service
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[tantek] aaronpk I think I did less work 😂
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[kevinmarks] so is mastodon still ostatus/websub or is it all activitypub now?
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[kevinmarks] I'm seeing fediverse revisionism as 'activitypub sites'
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[tantek] I mean it’s good that you’re seeing “activitypub sites” instead of “mastodon sites”
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[tantek] IDK if websub survived the ostatus>AP conversion
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aaronpk Mastodon still does ostatus stufff but for "legacy" support now
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aaronpk WebSub isn't part of activitypub at all because there are no feeds or polling in activitypub
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Zegnat aaronpk, something weird is going on. I am seeing messages in the chat logs that I am not seeing on IRC!
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Zegnat https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-08-19#t1534682472541100
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Loqi [ludovicchabant] Cool, looking at the chat log I learned about cleverdevil’s ditchbook! Might try it with Twitter (I don’t want to bring Facebook stuff to my website since those were semi-private while my website is public)
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Zegnat Not only is it in the logs twice, but it hasn’t made it through to my IRC client at all :O
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sknebel Zegnat can you join a conventional client for a bit to compare/make sure it isn't quassel messing up?
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Zegnat I guess I can install a different client and run side-by-side for a bit
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aaronpk He must have sent that right after joining the channel
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aaronpk the IRC channel is in a special mode where only +v people can say stuff in irc
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aaronpk Loqi gives you +v 30 seconds after you join
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aaronpk Loqi is also an op, and ops can see m essages from people without +v, which is how Loqi is kicking out all the spammers
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sknebel So loqi isn't copying that anymore?
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aaronpk Correct, because Loqi started repeating spam into the channels
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aaronpk so now if anyone says the same thing twice without +v that phrase gets added to the spam list
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aaronpk that’s how these latest two YouTube spam URLs got auto blacklisted
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sknebel Hm
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sknebel But the logs ignore voice?
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aaronpk Loqi still sends a PM saying that your message wasn’t sent to the channel
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sknebel Ok
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aaronpk yeah the logger isn’t hooked up to the same thing that knows about the spam so those messages still show u pin the logs and also get sent to slack
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aaronpk I’ll probabyl fix that today or tomorrow
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aaronpk I just keep hoping the spam will go away and we can switch the channel back to normal
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aaronpk this spammer has to get bored of it eventually
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Zegnat Or run out of IoT devices ... (as if)
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Zegnat Interesting how ChanServ -v’d my second account, after Loqi +v’d it
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aaronpk Hug yeah
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aaronpk i wonder if i need to have Loqi tell chanserv to +v people
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sknebel it maybe doesn't like nicks being authed and +v under te same account
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Zegnat That could be it
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Zegnat Yeah, it -v’d me as soon as I authed as Zegnat.
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aaronpk oh funny
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www.ohhelloana.blog edited /events/2018-08-22-homebrew-website-club (+12) "/* London */" (view diff)
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tantek__ HWC London folks are on it!
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vanderven.se martijn created /User:Vanderven.se_martijn/IndieAuth_Client_Information (+3597) "Start documenting metadata published at client URLs" (view diff)
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tantek__ aww we don't support video tags on the wiki
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aaronpk orly, weird
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aaronpk should work in a <raw> tag
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vanderven.se martijn edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn/IndieAuth_Client_Information (+365) "Finish rel="redirect_uri" list." (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/Leaders (+367) "/* Photos */ try embedding a video" (view diff)
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tantek__ I thought the Semantic HTML MediaWiki plugin supported video
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aaronpk we dropped the plugin because most of those tags got moved into core
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aaronpk video wasn't in that plugin anyway https://github.com/BenWard/mediawiki-semantic-html/blob/master/SemanticHTML.class.php
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tantek__ yeah was just looking at it
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tantek__ I don't see why video should require raw when img doens't
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aaronpk i agree but it's a hack to add new tags to MW
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tantek__ lol https://github.com/tantek/mediawiki-semantic-html/ "To Do: * support for object and/or video elements to enable embedding of videos -tç"
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[jgmac1106] what's the best page that list different mf2 parsers
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tantek__ microformats.io ?
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tantek__ aaronpk: added video, now there's a reason to use the extension again (unless it's really bad?) https://github.com/tantek/mediawiki-semantic-html
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Loqi [tantek] mediawiki-semantic-html: A MediaWiki extension to restore support for the HTML4 phrase elements used in wiki mark-up.
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aaronpk I doubt it works with the newest MW
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tantek__ sigh
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tantek__ maybe I'll just update it on mf wiki then
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aaronpk I think that was one of the blockers in upgrading a few years ago
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tantek__ lol oops
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aaronpk The list of tags is just an array in MW core... I *could* add it there
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tantek.com edited /2016/Leaders (+13) "/* Photos */ try raw on the video, muted, autoplay, and loop all work!" (view diff)
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eddiehinkle.com edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn/IndieAuth_Client_Information (+162) "Add correct Indigenous ids" (view diff)
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eddiehinkle.com edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn/IndieAuth_Client_Information (+0) "oops fix Indigenous for REAL" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn/IndieAuth_Client_Information (+787) "7/20 advertise rel="manifest"" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn/IndieAuth_Client_Information (+186) "Add [[Indiepaper]], just to throw off our stats." (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn/IndieAuth_Client_Information (+230) "Add [[Together]]. Now we are back to being equal again h-x-app vs WAM!" (view diff)
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