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aaronpk indieweb rainbow https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-09-12-17-36-45-ycqaxZdWvZ.jpg
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aaronpk colors are hard
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aaronpk I think I found green/blue/purples that match the tones of the existing red/orange/yellow
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tantek__ that's actually quite pretty
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aaronpk i've been finding I am needing secondary brand colors occasionally
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aaronpk and picking random colors doesn't work, they need to match the primary colors
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tantek__ Glad we posted this: https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2018/09/12/eucopyrightreform/ - unclear what the impacts are going to be on indieweb projects but likely to be some
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Loqi Mozilla reacts to EU Parliament vote on copyright reform
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aaronparecki.com created /EVENTS (+19) "r" (view diff)
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aaronpk took a lot to get there, but feedback is welcome https://indieweb.org/pronoun#IndieWebCamp_pronouns_pins
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gRegorLove I was wondering why you made that redirect :)
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aaronpk hehe
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gRegorLove These look good. I think I like 'ask me' slightly better, but it'd have to be smaller so maybe not worth it.
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aaronpk yeah, I was on the fence about that
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Zegnat Re: considering colour blindness for designs like IWC pronoun pins, here is aaronpk’s rainbow through some colour blindness filters: https://imgur.com/a/2nHHvnW
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Zegnat Software used: https://michelf.ca/projects/mac/sim-daltonism/
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Zegnat accessibility << There is software to simulate colour blindness that will help in picking palettes where colour differences are a required design element (e.g. in graphs). For macOS the free and open-source [https://michelf.ca/projects/mac/sim-daltonism/ Sim Daltonism] is very easy to use.
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Loqi ok, I added "There is software to simulate colour blindness that will help in picking palettes where colour differences are a required design element (e.g. in graphs). For macOS the free and open-source [https://michelf.ca/projects/mac/sim-daltonism/ Sim Daltonism] is very easy to use." to the "See Also" section of /accessibility https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51604&oldid=51352
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jeremycherfas Zegnat++ for accessibility concerns
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Loqi Zegnat has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (151 in all channels)
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Zegnat accessibility used to be my thing, years ago
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[jgmac1106] as someone who is color blind and hates infographics that don't have contrast I thank you
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[jgmac1106] I have a blind student in my class this year, accessible code editors...not sure they existed...tried using JAWS @marcozehe love to hear how you code
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jgmac1106 I am going to finalize the NYC schedule Monday, if there are West Coasters, Eurpoean, or Asian #IndieWeb folks joining us for either /leaders or remotely please sign the guestbook so we can coordinate time zones as best as possible
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Zegnat jgmac1106, if there is a remote possibility I’ll try to call in. But I would probably try that nomatter what time gets decided on
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jgmac1106 on east coast so Europe won’t be so bad
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Zegnat It’s what, a 7 hour difference? So don’t go later than 18:00 if you don’t want people to stay up past 1am on this side of the pond.
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david.shanske.com edited /2018/NYC/Guest_Book (+318) "/* Guest Book */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2018/NYC/Guest_Book (+7) "/* Guest Book */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+10) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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spugachev hey @jgmac1106, I'm around if you want to chat about how Oklahoma can participate remotely.
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jgmac1106 awesome, you are central correct?
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spugachev yep.
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jgmac1106 We will have one room with video conferencing capabilities and will set up streams in other rooms
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spugachev great. We've got a room we can use for video conferencing and several others that could do a live stream
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jgmac1106 okay can you send me whatever logo you want to use on the sponsor page.
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spugachev Sure, I'll just need to grab that from our communications person
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jgmac1106 for keynotes, we will have Maha Bali, doing remote, Jess Klein UX from wikimedia foundation, will do other, and will do one more from an IndieWeb dev on site…they qre 15 minutes each
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jgmac1106 you can do local on the ground keynotes or remote watch ours
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spugachev those sound great. I'll think we will watch yours remotely
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jgmac1106 editing the wiki now, can you send me the exact name of the lab, organizers, etc
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spugachev Sure, we are University of Oklahoma Digital Scholarship Lab.
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spugachev Organizers are Sarah Pugachev and Logan Cox
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spugachev if you need location we are 401 W Brooks St. Bizzell Memorial Library, Lower Level 1, Rm. 121
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spugachev Just emailed you the logo. Our communications person was fast this morning
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jgmac1106 who is spugachev?
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spugachev That's Sarah Pugachev (me)
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jgmac1106 Who is Logan Coix?
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jgmac1106 ohh no I was seeing if you made chat-names on the wki yet
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jgmac1106 if you did Loqi would have answered
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spugachev Oh I haven't done that yet.
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jgmac1106 https://indieweb.org/chat-names
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spugachev I will add it now.
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jgmac1106 cool, I will make a rough pass at the /2018/NYC page adding your info but fel free to revise….once article is up I will do a blog post about exciting news
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spugachev great. Thanks for including us!
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jgmac1106 [schmarty or [gwg] If I send you list of tix holders can either of you take the lead on sending email reminders? We drafted a few and it look s like some already exist in the toolkit
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jgmac1106 where in Oklahoma?
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jgmac1106 Norman, nvm
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spugachev yep, we are in Norman
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2018/NYC (+631) "/* Participating */ added University of Oklahoma Digital Scholarship Lab Sattelitie Location" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2018/NYC (+636) "/* Partnership Sponsors */ added The Digital Scholarship Lab" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2018/NYC (+0) "/* Partnership Sponsors */ smaller img" (view diff)
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jgmac1106 anyone knwo why this edit didn’t show? https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51610&oldid=51405&rcid=51482
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Zegnat Didn’t show where?
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Zegnat I see it in this channel
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jgmac1106 indieweb.org/2018/nyc
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jgmac1106 sorry for shouting
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Zegnat Uuuh
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Zegnat It may be inside the currently live comment?
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jgmac1106 weird is I see it when I go to edit but don’t see it live
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Zegnat ctrl+f for “<!--”
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jgmac1106 yep commented out
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Zegnat You’ll see the HTML comment doesn’t end before the Oklahoma location
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2018/NYC (+1) "/* Participating */" (view diff)
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Zegnat jgmac1106++
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Loqi jgmac1106 has 18 karma in this channel over the last year (48 in all channels)
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Zegnat spugachev++ too, for helping grow the event!
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Loqi spugachev has 1 karma over the last year
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jgmac1106 yeah super cool to have [spugachev] involved
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jgmac1106 when you get time to make your chat-name you can edit the wiki and replace your name
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jgmac1106 spugachev++
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Loqi spugachev has 2 karma over the last year
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spugachev glad to be involved! I'll get my chat name made today and update it.
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (-43) "finalized time" (view diff)
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aaronpk btw we came to the conclusion that it's okay to use a color scheme for the pins that's not 100% colorblind accessible since the information that the color provides is also duplicated by the words (shape and size as well as actual text)
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Zegnat aaronpk, I agree there. Staying clear of any blues and reds for a masculine and feminine divide is a win in my book anyway.
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Zegnat Still thought it would be interesting to run your rainbow through some filters
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[jgmac1106] I do like how Mumble did this, they provided a monochromatic option...the leveling was useless, but the design was good
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aaronpk I want to place the order for the pins today. any other ideas for the current design? https://indieweb.org/pronoun#IndieWebCamp_pronouns_pins
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[jgmac1106] seems to match the style guide well
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aaronpk now i'm wondering if colored background with white letters would work better https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-09-13-07-47-03-uYrnfTMOMp.jpg
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[jgmac1106] it does look less like a poker chip
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aaronpk haha I hadn't even made the poker chip connection
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[jgmac1106] i also like the no drop shadow
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[jgmac1106] even if we stick with white I would lose it
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aaronpk drop shadow?
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aaronpk you mean the grey outline?
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[jgmac1106] the darkr black line, around the text, not really a drop shadow, sorry
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aaronpk without that, the colors don't stand out enough from the background really
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aaronpk well the yellow mostly
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Zegnat I like the white on solid colour. I do wonder about the font and what side the printing is going to be. If the pins are small, a more straight font might turn out more legible. E.g. not the little extra nook at the join of the k diagonals.
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[jgmac1106] i like the full color pins anyway...we should just order an old school button maker and have people maker their own Indie style
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Zegnat s/side/size/
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aaronpk they're 1.25" round
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aaronpk the text is 40pt
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[jgmac1106] kidding I like these, what is font size of the urls?
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Zegnat Ah, should be fine at 40pt I expect :)
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aaronpk the small white letters are 4pt (but that's the recommended size from the printer), the "indieweb.org/pronoun" line is 7.8pt
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aaronpk ooh now that shadow effect actually _helps_ improve the contrast https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-09-13-08-04-58-9m6qRRYEeo.jpg
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Zegnat That’s interesting
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[eddie] I’ve always disliked that shadow effect in general. But in this case it really helps!
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aaronpk I don't know why I like it so much haha
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[jgmac1106] Okay yep I am now converted as well
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[jgmac1106] You like it bc drop shadow was The effect in 1998
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aaronpk drop shadow was, but this is more of a 70s effect
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aaronpk this appears to be called a "long shadow"
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aaronpk alright i'm doing it
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aaronpk there is no going back
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aaronpk these should get here in time for IWC NYC
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[eddie] FOMO!
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[eddie] haha
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[eddie] I'll try to keep Zegnat company as a remote participant
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[jgmac1106] I hope he is too busy being the keeper of all things etherpad to need company
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Zegnat Ha, I haven’t even decided if I can do the time zone shift again for NYC :P
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[jgmac1106] post the final images for all four on the wiki, make good website badges as well
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[eddie] lol it's so normal Zegnat that I feel like the world would be shifting if you weren't attending one remotely 🙂
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Zegnat If I would be self-employed and not a student, I could make sure to attend everything all the time. But sadly that is just not reality. Ha
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[eddie] lol makes sense 😉
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aaronpk updated https://indieweb.org/File:indieweb-pronoun-button-draft.jpg
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aaronpk might need to hard-refresh to see it
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Zegnat Definitely prefer these to the previous design
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aaronpk excellent
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[eddie] yeah, they look amazing
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[eddie] aaronpk++
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[jgmac1106] @supachev how is this for a blog post image too busy?
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sknebel aaronpk: since https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC/Leaders says to only add stuff if you're there, and I don't know yet if I can make it remote, you want to add the topic?
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[jgmac1106] @sknebel the time isn't set in stone so if there is an hour that lines up with your schedule before or after work, etc we can try and make it fit
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sknebel [jgmac1106]: it's more a "am I somewhere static that day, or travelling" question
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sknebel otherwise I'd said something earlier (thanks for asking!)
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[jgmac1106] I think you should add it, right after the line about not adding anything unless you are there
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[jgmac1106] tantek++
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[jgmac1106] gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (103 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] for cleaning up the /leaders page workflow
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gRegorLove Well, a proposal :)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+39) "/* RSVP */ $me maybe" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/Leaders (+7) "/* Task List */ microformats-ruby repo has been moved" (view diff)
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gRegorLove GWG: has /discuss been updated re: WordPress? See https://indieweb.org/2018/Leaders#Task_List
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+205) "/* What */ new q: projects using indieweb.tld domains policy?" (view diff)
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tantek__ catches up on logs this busy morning
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tantek__ aaronpk++ nice design for the pins. the bold white text on a bright color background provides decent contrast
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tantek.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+0) "still DST in US in September" (view diff)
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tantek__ more cleanup coming
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tantek.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+364) "and EDT is UTC-4. fix date inconsistency, add h-event, wheres are TBD, bunch more clean-up, collapse dupe sections" (view diff)
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tantek__ !tell jgmac1106 we need venue information for IWC NYC Leaders and suggestions for breakfast, lunch, group activity suggestions https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC/Leaders#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] okay I will add venue info now, in terms of suggestions for breakfast, lunch, I know Manhattan not all open to suggestions will look for activity ideas
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: tantek__ left you a message 14 minutes ago: we need venue information for IWC NYC Leaders and suggestions for breakfast, lunch, group activity suggestions https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC/Leaders#Where
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tantek__ !rt https://twitter.com/Nick_vh/status/1040144473425100801
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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aaronpk !rt https://twitter.com/Nick_vh/status/1040144473425100801
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Loqi Thanks aaronpk and tantek__! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1040324231836229632
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (-2) "/* When */ fix datetime attribute" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+165) "/* Where */ h-card" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+79) "/* What */ link 2018/Leaders discussion on chat noise" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+628) "/* When */ added events" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] messed up something
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gRegorLove [jgmac1106], line breaks. MediaWiki closes open tags sometimes
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gRegorLove looks like duplicate dt-start instead of dt-end too
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (-6) "/* When */ fix whitespace" (view diff)
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gRegorLove updating with more TZs like 2018/Leaders
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (-157) "/* When */ list different TZs and schedule a la /2018/Leaders" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Can I get a double-check on those timezones? ^
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sknebel looks right
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gRegorLove !tell jgmac1106 I updated /2018/NYC/Leaders#When with a simpler schedule list. Removed the dt- mf2 for the individual items since they're all inside one h-event. Wasn't sure what time the walk across the bridge is - same time as lunch?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek__ gRegorLove: double-checked, tweaked a bit ^^^
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gRegorLove looks good
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