#meta 2018-09-14

2018-09-14 UTC
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eightyeight25
Alⅼah is doing
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[manton]
[jgmac1106] I was clicking around the wiki yesterday and noticed that the NYC registration page says sold out. Did y'all really sell out? Curious how many attendees you're expecting.
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jgmac1106
I need to go increase the number expecting around 30 so doing fifty tix
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Loqi
jgmac1106: gRegorLove left you a message 16 hours, 4 minutes ago: I updated /2018/NYC/Leaders#When with a simpler schedule list. Removed the dt- mf2 for the individual items since they're all inside one h-event. Wasn't sure what time the walk across the bridge is - same time as lunch?
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jgmac1106
but [manton] nopw I am thinking never let a mistake go to waste. IWC NYC was sold out…but wait we are releasing alimited set of tix, act now
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Zegnat
jgmac1106++ for spinning it ;)
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Loqi
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[manton]
[jgmac1106] Cool, congrats! Hope y'all have a good turnout.
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jgmac1106
hoping SouthWest does a random $99 fare from Autin to NYC and you and [macgenie] suprise everyone
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[manton]
30 people showing up for 50 tickets sounds about right for my very limited experience with IndieWebCamp Austin. We didn't have that many people but probably similar percentage of people who RSVP-ed that couldn't actually make it.
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[manton]
I wish I could make it. I have a family conflict that weekend, but maybe next year we can make it work if y'all do it again.
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tantek__
what is sold out?
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mths1
Allah is ԁoⅰng
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Zegnat
tantek__: IWC NYC was
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tantek__
what are the numbers?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "numbers" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "numbers is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__
!tell jgmac1106 what's the count for IWC NYC? And how many more spots are open? I need to post about these things!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgmac1106
30 sold, last 20 released
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Loqi
jgmac1106: tantek__ left you a message 3 minutes ago: what's the count for IWC NYC? And how many more spots are open? I need to post about these things!
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jgmac1106
is there a blank session grid template?
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tantek__
jgmac1106 depends greatly on number of keynotes etc and number of breakout rooms!
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jgmac1106
okay I put that in planning, trying to get it all up today
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jgmac1106
building it now using other examples
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jgmac1106
only doing three 10-15 minute keynotes, shorter if spearkers want, one is remote from Cairo, have a 3 minute video backup if bandwidth fails, never has before
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jgmac1106
[tantek] would you want to to do the “this is how the two days works, but frame it in a “history of barcamp” way…i don’t think anyone really knows the connection between barcamp, indiewebcamp, and edcamp.
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tantek__
jgmac1106: sure I can do that
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tantek__
I think it would be great if aaronpk reprised his State of the Reader talk from IWS
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tantek__
I feel like that resonates strongly with folks looking for an alternative to all their algorithmic social streams
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tantek__
also the interactivity portion is a very effective demonstration of indieweb features like micropub etc. that you don't get elsewhere
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tantek__
jgmac1106: the 3 pathways are not about technology choice, they're about speaking to 3 different (kinds/levels of) audiences - people, not technology
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jgmac1106
mean navigation pathways, each audience will click on a different route of links.
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jgmac1106
okay, and new audience [aaronpk] up for the talk again
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jgmac1106
plus we have so many live demos now, we should do a screenshot collage
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Zegnat
should get someone to demo his hidden Harry Potter h-card data again
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jgregorymcverry.com
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jgregorymcverry.com
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jgmac1106
[gwg] or [schmarty] let me know if either of you want to set up and send the 2 week, 1 week, three dyas to go emails to registered participatns…or anyone really who wants to help
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tantek__
Zegnat, perhaps consider building an indieweb marauder's map?
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tantek__
as a demo Microsub client of course :)
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tantek__
of course now that I've mentioned it I wonder if aaronpk will be tempted
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Zegnat
Already exists. Don’t remember who mentioned it before, but they had a map in their reader (though it mostly just plotted aaronpk and felt a little stalkerish that way ;))
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tantek__
which reader?
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Zegnat
Searching chatlogs now …
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[eddie]
Together
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Loqi
[[grantcodes]] I do have a map that can live track where you are aaronpk 😛
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[eddie]
I am a bit less stalkerish, I follow aaronpk and [cleverdevil]
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tantek__
is there a screenshot of this?
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Zegnat
Should live update, like the marauder’s map: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-09-02/1535928256200400
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Loqi
[[grantcodes]] I've not checked if the map will live update, but I think it should
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Zegnat
I don’t think so
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Zegnat
What is Together?
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Loqi
Together is a reader that was initially conceived at the 2017 IndieWeb Summit in Portland by Jonathan LaCour and several others during the Putting it all together session https://indieweb.org/Together
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[eddie]
The only tricky thing right now is it shows all the posts on a timeline. So if aaronpk has 10 checkin in the channel it shows 10 aaronpks
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[eddie]
But it’s pretty cool
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[tantek]
Yes that’s a map. That’s NOTHING like the Marauder’s map Zegnat
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[tantek]
Please tell me you appreciate the presentation of the HP marauders map more than that
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Zegnat
An actual live movement map will need us to be able to plug straight into people’s Compass servers, I guess :P Not sure who is up for that
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[tantek]
Uh, visually they look nothing alike
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jgmac1106
can we add a media query to the wiki so TOC is collapsed by default on <600px?
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[tantek]
So I have no idea why you’re talking about
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Zegnat
There is a map of the world showing everyone’s last known location. I think of that as a marauders’ map. I don’t want my maps to look handdrawn, honestly.
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tantek___
jgmac1106: on a smaller screen is when you need a TOC the most - to jump the part you want since scrolling takes even longer
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tantek___
Zegnat: nor does the marauders map have giant white rectangles with extraneous whitespace and duplicate info etc covering up the map
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jgmac1106
then is there a way to float it above all the content, it was my mistake for doing the sponsors the way I did made TOC too big
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Zegnat
Oh, I think that only floats up when you click the icon of a person, to identify them.
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tantek___
jgmac1106: example?
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jgmac1106
but on many articles the TOC overlaps content
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Zegnat
Not sure, not a together (or even Microsub) user.
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Zegnat
Just the only screenshot I could find.
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tantek___
jgmac1106: make sure your headings are short
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[eddie]
Correct that’s only when you click on a user
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tantek___
Zegnat: this is my point. yes there is map view. no there is no marauder's map view
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tantek___
nothing even close to a marauder's map view
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tantek___
so it is unhelpful to say "Already exists" because the diminishes and undervalues the hard work of good visual design
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jgmac1106
go to /events on your phone…just don’t like the way it sits in line with the content
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[tantek]
The issues should go on a separate page
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[tantek]
As should the brainstorming
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[tantek]
That will narrow and shorten the toc
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GWG
Afternoon
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tantek___
ok I'm going to move /events issues and brainstorming to a subsection of /Leaders because frankly they're the folks that have to deal with these issues and will likely be the folks having to iterate on brainstorming
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jgmac1106
they are almost like archived issues, don’t feel like folks have really brought them up much
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tantek.com
edited /Events () "(-6581) move issues and brainstorming to Leaders page instead of unnecessarily bulking up the events page with non-events"
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tantek___
jgmac1106: they are not archived, they are neglected :/
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tantek___
problem is, easier to point out problems than solve them
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tantek___
and frankly, collaborative events are HARD
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jgmac1106
or many were solved and not documented
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tantek___
like likely billion dollar startup hard if you get it right
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jgmac1106
collaborative, free events run by volnuteers with no central organization and all federated reeources even harder
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tantek___
right. no one is going to build / maintain a new events software for this
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jgmac1106
did anyone ask [zegnat] yet/
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tantek___
and my pushback to anyone who has claimed they will has always been, great, prove you have even 1% of the skills to do so by posting simple indie /event posts on your own site for *your* events
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tantek___
and so far they have not
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tantek___
that is, anyone who claims they can build such software (is likely horribly mistaken) does not ever get around to posting their own indie events
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jgmac1106
I am going to reflect on my experience, so we can focus on the HWC and IWC launch toolkits
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tantek___
jgmac1106: is that /events TOC better?
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jgmac1106
yes, and I like how we are developing a funnel into /leaders help fight neglect
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tantek___
lol the events brouhaha more than doubled the /Leaders page size
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tantek.com
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tantek___
less than a week to the next HWC and need to create the page 😂
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tantek___
(speaking of events problems)
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tantek.com
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgmac1106
getting some requests for press (just university papers now) but if folks want to publish a brief post defining indieweb, why they are going to NYC, or what they hope to accomplish, I would love to add a few post to the wiki page for quotes..real short…
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GWG
I am going to soak up all the enthusiasm and bottle it for motivational purposes until the next one
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tantek.com
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek___
jgmac1106++ getting some pre-press is an excellent idea!
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Loqi
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tantek___
whether university or other, it's awesome. do they have any deadlines or dates they'd like to publish?
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tantek___
and have you invited them to participate and cover the event itself? even just getting them to send a photographer?
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jgmac1106
one article going out today but that is just the schedule for news and events
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Zegnat
tantek___, sknebel would know re vHWC, he has been taking over my organiser duties for a bit while I am in and out of the house on uni business and job applications.
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Loqi
Zegnat: tantek___ left you a message 3 minutes ago: is vHWC EU on for next week? https://indieweb.org/events/2018-09-19-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time
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tantek___
Zegnat, cool
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sknebel
I'd say it's on
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tantek___
just noticed the newsletter only has one event from this past week - only because XOXO went through Sunday
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jgmac1106
…yep..hoping to get some sessions on journlaism, school news, indieweb, etc if the crowd tacks college, though lot of CS students from NYU it seems
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GWG
Ambitious
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tantek.com
edited /events/2018-09-06-xoxofest (+164) "/* Photos */ add more, add template for getting them picked up in the newsletter"
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tantek___
I suppose that's a good excuse to post any more indieweb photos from XOXO to this: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-09-06-xoxofest#Photos
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tantek___
jgmac1106: since tito won't show us how many attendees, icons/avatars etc. do you have any idea as to how we're doing with diversity?
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jgmac1106
pretty close to 60/40 I think
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jgmac1106
though some folks registers for 2-4 tix, not sure if accident or getting some for friends
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jgmac1106
omne of them the email address when I google it is connected to dating scams so me thinks those are fake
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GWG
Anything I need to do?
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jgmac1106
if you want to handle scheduling a 14 days to go, 7 days to go, 3 days to go, email that would be awesome
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tantek___
Zegnat, sknebel just found out that the author of the article that kevinmarks posted (https://sonniesedge.co.uk/talks/dear-developer) will be at IWC Berlin in case you have not signed up yet!
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Loqi
Dear Developer, The Web Isn't About You
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tantek___
also me, Jeremy Keith, aaronpk :)
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tantek___
and if you have signed up - add yourselves to https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin/Guest_Book
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tantek___
grantcodes[m], petermolnar, voxpelli are you able to make to IWC Berlin?
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Zegnat
I promised to do Nürnberg. Can't do another trip within a few weeks unless I find some sponsorship (who knows, maybe if I land this job... or the job makes it impossible to travel.)
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tantek___
Zegnat I'm still looking at my Nürnberg plans - are you going for the whole week?
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sknebel
I have no planning yet either, for similar reasons. Bit hard to make travel plans when I don't know yet where I'll be travelling from
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Zegnat
I am crashing at aaronpk's airbnb. So not the whole week. But possibly a little longer than just the weekend.
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Zegnat
I'll finalise my dates asap.
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Zegnat
Going to be in celebration of my bday (23rd following IWC)
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tantek___
I'm looking at Nürnberg Web Week
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tantek___
oh no I have to be in Lyon on the 23rd for TPAC!
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sknebel
you mean "Nürnberg Digital Festival" :D
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sknebel
(they rebranded it like last week)
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Zegnat
I'll be gone the 23rd too, I'll find a moment to celebrate on the weekend or something :)
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tantek___
what is Nürnberg Web Week?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Nürnberg Web Week" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Nürnberg Web Week is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel
so yes, I'll hopefully be at one or both of the German IWCs, but can't promise it
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tantek___
what is Nürnberg Digital Festival?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Nürnberg Digital Festival" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Nürnberg Digital Festival is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek___
Nürnberg Digital Festival is https://nueww.de/festival/about-the-nuernberg-digital-festival/ a regular set of events including an IndieWebCamp, an annual week-long festival that focusing on the effects of digitalization on society, art and culture, education, as well as technology and economics.
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Loqi
Nürnberg Digital Festival
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tantek___
Nürnberg Digital Festival << [[2018/Nuremberg]]
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tantek___
2018/Nuremberg << Nürnberg Digital Festival
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dougbeal
Ugh, need HWC checklist
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dougbeal
didn't get Seattle 8-8 in somewhere, not showing on /Events page
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sknebel
Events page is completely manually edited
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www.svenknebel.de
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dougbeal
I guess I never added Seattle to the Main_Page?
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sknebel
Main_page is the one that's done automatically
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dougbeal
Is that what gets archived to the past /Events?
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dougbeal
"Update the next-hwc, Main_Page, Events wiki pages with the new event info"?
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sknebel
just fixed that
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sknebel
no, /Events is all manually: add future stuff to the right spot, every few weeks someone moves the past stuff down
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dougbeal
Ok, and Main_page comes from that?
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tantek___
yes we should update the instructions to drop Main_page since Kaja does that quite well
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Loqi
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tantek___
AMP << 2018-09-05 [https://sonniesedge.co.uk/posts/amp-urls The mysterious case of missing URLs and Google's AMP]
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Loqi
ok, I added "2018-09-05 [https://sonniesedge.co.uk/posts/amp-urls The mysterious case of missing URLs and Google's AMP]" to the "See Also" section of /Accelerated_Mobile_Pages https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51673&oldid=50648
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Loqi
The mysterious case of missing URLs and Google's AMP
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sknebel
yes, I think Kaja goes by /Events
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tantek___
silo-quits << 2018-09-03 [https://sonniesedge.co.uk/posts/abandon-twitter It's time to say goodbye to Twitter]
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Loqi
ok, I added "2018-09-03 [https://sonniesedge.co.uk/posts/abandon-twitter It's time to say goodbye to Twitter]" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51674&oldid=51454
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Loqi
It's time to say goodbye to Twitter
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sknebel
been meaning to expand what it does, but since I don't run an HWC anymore the personal itch hasn't been that strong... should probably do a cleanup pass and open it up for contributions
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek___
dougbeal: Seattle 8-8? From last month? or did you mean 9-8 (but that was last weekend during XOXO and you were there!) or is there another date you meant?
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dougbeal
dougbeal: 8-8 from last month
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tantek___
dougbeal, the HWC listings there use a template, just need to add "Seattle" as an additional location in that template
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tantek___
edit https://indieweb.org/Events#August and scroll down to the 08-08 HWC event, and add another location line in the template accordingly
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dougbeal
tantek___: roger
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dougbeal.com
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dougbeal.com
edited /Events (+28) "/* September */ add Seattle to 09-19"
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sknebel
(Kaja doesn't rely on the locations on /Events, so the front page at least works without that. tried to make it update the city list on /Events too, but that's a bit more complicated)
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dougbeal
sknebel: for the newsletter?
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dougbeal.com
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sknebel
dougbeal: that also fetches the individual event pages afaik
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dougbeal.com
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tantek___
dougbeal++ awesome!
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Loqi
dougbeal has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (11 in all channels)
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stevestreza
dougbeal++
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Loqi
dougbeal has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (12 in all channels)
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tantek___
plurality << 2018-08-30 [https://css-tricks.com/the-ecological-impact-of-browser-diversity/ The Ecological Impact of Browser Diversity]
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Loqi
ok, I added "2018-08-30 [https://css-tricks.com/the-ecological-impact-of-browser-diversity/ The Ecological Impact of Browser Diversity]" to the "See Also" section of /plurality https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51683&oldid=46919
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://twitter.com/sonniesedge/status/925704471652503552" to the "See Also" section of /js;dr https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51684&oldid=51644
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://twitter.com/sonniesedge/status/926162705534406657" to the "See Also" section of /js;dr https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51685&oldid=51684
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dougbeal
Posted to mastodon as well! I wonder if RSVPs will show up via fed.bridgy?
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tantek___
does Mastodon support events and RSVPs? since when?
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dougbeal
Maybe if its a reply to the event toot?
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tantek___
sounds like a comment!
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tantek___
what is UI
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Loqi
User interface, often abbreviated as UI, formerly called human interface (HI), refers to presentational and interactive design elements of potentially any tool, but usually electronic tools, specifically their hardware and/or software https://indieweb.org/ui
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tantek___
UI << Possible inspirations: http://www.blindltd.com/ - lots of examples of "fake" (is it fake if it's actually used/usable?) UI created for movies
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Loqi
ok, I added "Possible inspirations: http://www.blindltd.com/ - lots of examples of "fake" (is it fake if it's actually used/usable?) UI created for movies" to the "See Also" section of /user-interface https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51686&oldid=15886
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tantek___
wonders if anyone has used Content Warning: rabbithole
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tantek___
what is CSS
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Loqi
Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) are used to format the display of HTML https://indieweb.org/CSS
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tantek___
CSS << http://www.mattzeunert.com/2017/10/30/javascript-free-todo-app.html - uses LOTS of CSS and in particular dynamic CSS UI pseudo-class selectors to simulate interactivity incredibly well
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Loqi
ok, I added "http://www.mattzeunert.com/2017/10/30/javascript-free-todo-app.html - uses LOTS of CSS and in particular dynamic CSS UI pseudo-class selectors to simulate interactivity incredibly well" to the "See Also" section of /Cascading_Style_Sheets https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51687&oldid=17039
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tantek___
we need document a few more clever things to give schmarty something more interesting to talk about on the podcast!
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martymcgui.re
created /events/2018-09-18-homebrew-website-club (+3286) "HWC Baltimore on Tuesday 9/18"
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tantek___
that needs to be added to /events stat so it makes it into the newsletter!
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tantek___
wonders if [schmarty] is logged into Slack on some device
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[eddie]
Unfortunately IRC doesn't trigger slack notifications. But i'll do [schmarty] so it can ping him 🙂
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[schmarty]
i need to make "schmarty" a keyword here in slack.
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[schmarty]
hello yes
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Loqi
[schmarty]: tantek___ left you a message 2 hours, 29 minutes ago: is HWC Baltimore a go for next week? https://indieweb.org/events/2018-09-19-homebrew-website-club#Baltimore
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Loqi
[schmarty]: tantek___ left you a message 2 hours, 29 minutes ago: is HWC Baltimore a go for next week? https://indieweb.org/events/2018-09-19-homebrew-website-club#Baltimore
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[schmarty]
thanks for the reminder to add to events
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martymcgui.re
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voxpelli
tantek___: oh, had missed that, I should totally try to be at IWC Berlin!
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Loqi
voxpelli: tantek left you a message on 2018-02-03 at 12:41am UTC: could you add your preferences here? https://indieweb.org/2018/Planning#Possible_Dates
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tantek___
lol old message!
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tantek___
voxpelli: yes! a bunch of us are traveling for it. e.g. at least me, aaronpk, adactio
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voxpelli
has been kind of inactive here, but is also kind of gearing up his open source work again so fits well for him
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voxpelli
tantek___: sounds like the perfect time to catch up! And if you would want me for the Leaders Summit, then I’ll try to join for that as well!
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tantek___
voxpelli: looks like currently we have room to accomodate: https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin/Leaders#RSVP so yes!
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dougbeal.com
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dougbeal
There, now ahead of the game!
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tantek___
is anyone else going to W3C TPAC in Lyon, France Oct 22-26?
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tantek___
(or any part thereof?)
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tantek___
found my other photos from xoxo #indieweb social
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dougbeal
Oops, didn't have https://fed.bri.gy on the posts, not sure if some boosts will get picked up
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tantek___
now to pick 4 of those 6 for the newsletter. opinions welcome!
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tantek___
thinking 4, 7, 8, 9
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tantek___
open to other suggestions!
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Zegnat
Definitely 4 and 7
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tantek.com
edited /events/2018-09-06-xoxofest (+819) "add a few photos from XOXO Social"
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dougbeal
:thumbs-up:
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tantek.com
edited /events/2018-09-07-xoxo-indieweb (+1225) "/* Photos */ add more photos, sort by photo-taken order"
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tantek___
all updated. we have four more photos from XOXO for this week's newsletter (no other events this past week)
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tantek___
and I've updated the XOXO Social IndieWeb Meetup page with *all* the photos I took there, in time sequence order (in case you were wondering how people showed up in multiple photos in different places, like mattl, gRegorLove, kevinmarks for example)
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tantek___
might be close enough for a 3D walk through simulation with some of the fancy future AI stuff ;)
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tantek___
and now we wait for the newsletter and hope
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tantek.com
edited /Events (+102) "/* September */ add explicit link to wiki URL hoping that will be enough to get newsletter to find the wiki page and go get the photos from there"
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tantek___
been a while since I manually constructed a several day event on /events that linked to both a wiki page for it and a separate event site page, hoping the newsletter parsing code handles it!
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tantek.com
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gRegorLove
hah, didn't even notice you sneaking photos while I was talking to Jean
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tantek___
drat I screwed up the URL
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tantek___
so no photos this week :(
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tantek.com
edited /Events (-5) "no "wiki" in URL duh :/"
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tantek___
just a reminder to always click the URLs you put on your pages to make sure they work
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tantek___
sorry folks
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[schmarty]
It’s all good!
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tantek___
still wishing for more iterative auto-generation of newsletter
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[schmarty]
If there’s anything I have learned from doing TWITIWAE it’s that things are never perfect, they just are what they are at that time.
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[schmarty]
And there’s another chance in a week :)
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tantek___
still, would be nice to at least avoid dumb mistakes that are auto-checkable
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[schmarty]
Maybe worth documenting? I think indienews has GitHub issues.
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dougbeal
Oops, should have tagged my micro monday appearence on huffduffer?
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sknebel
Have a button for logged in users to regenerate the newsletter preview?
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tantek___
!tell jgmac1106 should we consider special color lanyards for photo preferences? e.g. I've seen at a few confs now, red lanyard = no photos, yellow lanyard = ask before taking photo
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek___
^^^ something to consider for all IWC organizers
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tantek___
GWG, [schmarty], aaronpk, voxpelli, mattl, sknebel
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tantek___
not sure if that kind of a thing is a convention or not at events in Europe yet, but I've definitely seen it a few US events
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dougbeal
high-fives Loqi
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edited /Planning (+25) "/* Potential Cities */ shoot for 2019 for Seattle IWC"
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