#meta 2018-09-25

2018-09-25 UTC
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tantek___ hey aaronpk could I request that the tweet unfurling that Loqi does for the < < command also include the timestamp in addition to the date? Useful when you add a bunch of tweets then later want to go through and time sort them (e.g. what I thought I was going to do with /2018/Oxford)
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aaronpk ooh
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tantek___ now roughly doing by date at least
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tantek___ ok the 360deg pix are pretty cool I must admit
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tantek___ ideally timestamp of the person tweeting (for local context) with tz offset (to enable absolute timeline sorting)
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aaronpk i _think_ twitter includes that info but i can't actually remember right now
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tantek___ pretty sure it does
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[jgmac1106] ..wow is event posting in Known amazinly easy
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tantek.com edited /2018/Oxford (+465) "sort tweets, format photos into template, provide alternate twitter / twitter jpg links" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] needs a few cues on formatting date and time and looks like locale gets put into one field, but still...nice job Ben and folks
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tantek___ for the indie event?
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[jgmac1106] yeah doing it now....simple UI....will check the markup in a second
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tantek___ I tried to capture IWC Oxford photos for the newsletter, and sorted tweets. Would be good to get a review (since I wasn't there) https://indieweb.org/2018/Oxford#Photos
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[jgmac1106] http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/09/25/indiewebcamp-nyc
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[jgmac1106] ....I forgot it always shares the image of the hcard.....need to test if a u-photo replaces it...I have no desire to spread my mug across the web with every post
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[jgmac1106] through it in a parser...unmung...seems to miss the start date...has end date but no end time...maybe tryong to put start date and time into same field messes it up
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[jgmac1106] threw* wow too early for homophone mistakes
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[jgmac1106] ..to be fair I haven't updated this Known instance since Derbyshire so I am a bit out of date with teh master build
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tantek___ TBH [jgmac1106] see if you can turn off all the OG: metacrap
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tantek___ the defaults are either poor (your h-card photo is NOT a good default for every post), or they are redundant with what is already on the page
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tantek___ checking markup now!
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tantek___ hmm looks like timezone is wrong - it has UTC.
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tantek___ [jgmac1106]: is there a preference in Known to set your local timezone?
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[jgmac1106] should have just stuck with the manual fromt he get go plan...but its the closest in terms of a n hevent interface I have seen yet. i would separate the date and time fileds..or use a GUI to control the input
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tantek___ because right now the times for the event are off by 4 hours
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[jgmac1106] it was in the event interface, you choose the timezone
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tantek___ did you choose EDT?
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tantek___ (it may have defaulted to UTC which is the problem)
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tantek___ can you edit the post using the event interface?
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tantek___ regardless looks good enough for me to post an RSVP!
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[jgmac1106] yes I am set to GMT 4 can set it to GMT
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[jgmac1106] GMT-4
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tantek.com edited /2018/NYC (+105) "/* RSVP */ indie event link!" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] interesting I choose GMT and it converted the 24 hour clock to the 12 hour...but yeah its pretty awesome...small little tweaks,. but will RSVP
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tantek___ RSVP'd!
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tantek___ [jgmac1106]: so that's odd that my RSVP made it onto your event but yours didn't?!? http://jgregorymcverry.com/7353-2/
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] Looking forward to #IndieWebCamp NYC this weekend. A few tickets still left. You should join us in building and hacking on your own website.
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tantek___ looks like you posted your RSVP on your WordPress?
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[jgmac1106] yeah
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[jgmac1106] I can't send webmentions...will go rsvp from my Known site
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tantek___ can you at least receive webmentions?
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tantek___ e.g. I replied to your post http://jgregorymcverry.com/7359-2/
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] 100% agree& understand. Saw writing on wall with @thinkup then when using a micropub client my Twitter app was suspended for @ mentioning too many @mlb players when I was live tweeting home run derby. Violated harassment policy to @ mention
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tantek___ http://tantek.com/2018/267/t3/use-domain-mentions-instead
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] @jgmac1106 @benwerd consider the glass half-full: * Lots of @-mentions violate policy? Use domain-mentions! A little work to get @mlb players domains; surely as celebs they have them. If(when) they enable Webmentions, they decide instead of Twitter!
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tantek___ You should see two (that you could de-dupe). Both my direct reply ^^^ and my reply to your POSSE copy
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[jgmac1106] yeah nice display,
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tantek thanks!
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tantek.com edited /2018/NYC (+55) "/* Hotels */ AKA Smyth Tribeca" (view diff)
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Zegnat !kick olasd18
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Loqi Zegnat: tantek__ left you a message 10 hours, 3 minutes ago: if you have a moment to figure out what happened with webdav(.)org, see if you can find out information like I was able to using archive.org for portablecontacts: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=site-deaths&type=revision&diff=51986&oldid=51982 and wikify accordingly. Would be good to know when webdav(.)org died.
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Zegnat I have now thought Loqi about both that spam message and the one in the main channel. Both use slightly different unicode. Who knows how many itterations of the same sentence are going around. Might need different heuristics again :(
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aaronpk Wow they adapted again... using only certain non ascii chars
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[eddie] AI based spammers?
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aaronpk Doubt it, just some really bored kid
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[eddie] likely, but AI seems more fun
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[eddie] 🙂
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[jgmac1106] I won't guess gender and ethnicity from a lit of names but really hoping IWC NYC is one of the more representative events we have done...worked hard to get word out in under represented communities
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tantek__ aaronpk: should we update the yellow warning box on the discuss page? https://indieweb.org/discuss
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aaronpk It's still accurate i think
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tantek__ ok
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tantek__ updating some prose etc. on that page
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Zegnat We had spam slip through this very morning, so I the spam wave warning is probably still good to have
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tantek__ checks the slack logs
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tantek__ !tell jgmac1106 FYI I just invited folks working on the Data Transfer Project to participate in IWC NYC. Might get a few more last minute sign-ups that way.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] !tell tantek, great had a flury of tix activity this morning up to 42, so we should end up around 25.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: tantek__ left you a message 46 minutes ago: FYI I just invited folks working on the Data Transfer Project to participate in IWC NYC. Might get a few more last minute sign-ups that way.
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[jgmac1106] hey all have 300 for the meetup, should I do a $100 worth of food a $200 worth of drink tix or all drink tix?
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aaronpk it's usually easier to tell the bar/restaurant that the tickets are good for only drinks under a certain amount, and people don't usually complain about having to buy their own food either, so i'd do that
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[Rose] That gels with my experience too, though I've never organised an IWC I have organised/helped organise other events.
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aaronpk :sigh: that spam
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aaronpk adding a new rule which is that if the message is > 50 chars then it takes a lower ratio of ascii to non-ascii to trigger the spam kick
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Zegnat That might work
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aaronpk we'll see if that helps
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Zegnat I seem to recall there being some form of unicode normalization/equivalence that can convert these sort of characters to ascii
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aaronpk if you can find that in php let me know cause that would make our keyword blocking work again
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[jgmac1106] yeah just talked to bar. I can set a tab amount but they won't do drink tix. Will just ask folks to stay on a beer and wine honor system and buy their own food
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Zegnat aaronpk, I’ll add it to things to look into tomorrow. It might have been NFK normalisation. But been a while since I dived into Unicode.
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Zegnat (Now if there was ever a reason to move to dev, it is the term “NFK normalisation” together with “Unicode”.)
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[jgmac1106] [Rose] looking forward to remoting into your first HWC or IWC you organize
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Zegnat When is next HWC?
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Loqi Join us for an evening of IndieWeb personal site demos and discussions! Any questions? Ask in the chatroom! More… https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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[Rose] [jgmac1106] Step one is to attend one! 😄
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[jgmac1106] can you remote into NYC for a bit this weekend?
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[Rose] But I'm going to Nürnberg 3 weeks Friday!
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Zegnat [Rose], I expect some of us will be on Moodle for an online HWC October third, maybe you’ll be able to make it there :) Lots of us EU folks are spread around and do not have the mass for meet-ups, so settle for an online conference call
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[jgmac1106] [Rose] have you been following Doug Belshaw's work in redesigning MoodleNet?
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Zegnat We try and aim for 17:30–19:30 central EU time, [Rose]. But feel free to nudge people if other times fit you better
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[jgmac1106] not a -meta convo, more for chat...but I have too much work to do to be hanging online anyway, still if you are a Moodle user shoudl check it out
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[jgmac1106] or did @zegnat mean Mumble not Moodle?
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Zegnat I did mean mumbe. Did I write Moodle?
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Zegnat Wow. Clearly it is time for bed. I haven’t touched Moodle in over 10 years
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[jgmac1106] https://blog.moodle.net/
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[Rose] Thanks!
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[tantek] Great [jgmac1106] !
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Loqi [tantek]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 2 hours, 22 minutes ago: had a flury of tix activity this morning up to 42, so we should end up around 25.
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[tantek] !tell schmarty could you create a FB event for the Thursday meetup that we could invite people too? Right now the preparty / social is a bit buried in the wiki page and not mentioned anywhere else.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] !tell [jgmac1106] do you have time to write an email to send to ticket holders outlining the rough schedule of everything day by day from Thu night thru Saturday? I think there are email templates on the wiki for this (Aaronpk would know)
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[schmarty] hello meta!
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Loqi [schmarty]: [tantek] left you a message 4 minutes ago: could you create a FB event for the Thursday meetup that we could invite people too? Right now the preparty / social is a bit buried in the wiki page and not mentioned anywhere else.
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[schmarty] tantek: i will actually not be able to attend the thursday night meetup :[ i have family obligations in NYC.
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[tantek] Aaronpk? Could you make an indie event and fb posse copy for the Thursday night social?
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2018/09/26/2/
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Loqi IndieWebCamp NYC Pre-Party https://aaronparecki.com/2018/09/26/2/map.png
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2018/NYC (+0) (view diff)
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gRegorLove hm, is the map URL showing there a mf2 parser thing or is Loqi adding that?
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aaronpk It's my markup
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GWG Long gap between the day activities and the party
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aaronpk that's delightful... the spammers are just sending junk now
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aaronpk https://i.imgur.com/6Dj67gA.png
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[jgmac1106] @gwg there is an optional walk across the Brooklyn Bridge for those who haven't been to the city and want a touristy thing to do. We should be right close to the tenement museum, WTC memorial, and Chinatown, plenty to do
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] email going now
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[kevinmarks] Also Battery Park
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]++ awesome
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[kevinmarks] You can get citi bikes and bike around roo
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tantek__ aaronpk++ thanks much!
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Loqi aaronpk has 61 karma in this channel over the last year (308 in all channels)
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[kevinmarks] Is that mojibake?
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tantek__ since the venue is closing so early - should we have an optional "after hack" party maybe pick a nearby coffee shop to keep things going informally?
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tantek__ (on Saturday)
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GWG [jgmac1106]: I love the Tenement Museum
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GWG No one ever wants to go there with me
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GWG I suppose I'll play it by ear
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tantek.com edited /2018/NYC (+73) "/* Summary */ add pre-party to summary instead of leaders meetup - applies to more people, shorten" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2018/NYC (+30) "/* Schedule */ move pre-party out of table (odd that it didn't break inside there?) summarize RSVP line(s)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2018/NYC (+172) "/* Participating */ add Leaders meetup here as that seems like a reasonably innocuous place to put it" (view diff)
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tantek__ interesting: (especially the text in the image) https://twitter.com/salesforce/status/1044721032182075399
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@salesforce "Technology is not good or bad -- it's what you do with it that matters. We are putting our values into action because our values dictate our behaviors." Salesforce Co-CEO Marc @Benioff live at #DF18: https://sforce.co/2N1RBsk #PlatformForChange https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn-YPMPUUAAtp32.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1044721032182075399)
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tantek__ "Office of Ethical and Humane Technology"
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tantek__ and this is pretty cool: https://twitter.com/KeithBlock/status/1044639069790072833
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[jgmac1106] ti.to doesn't allow bulk emails anymore due to spammers hijacking their app, will send out the bulk email in the morning.