#meta 2018-09-26

2018-09-26 UTC
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]: yikes!
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[jgmac1106] I sent the email requesting permission but won
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[jgmac1106] won't hear back till tomorrow, guess I need to listen to [aaronpk]'s talk now
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]: that might enough reason to not use tito for future IWC
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tantek__ I know adactio has used brownpapertickets successfully, perhaps we should look at that for future events
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tantek__ what is ti.to
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Loqi ti.to is an event management site that was used for IndieWebCamp 2015 https://indieweb.org/ti.to
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tantek__ heh
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[jgmac1106] I think it is fine, I just send them an email, and they know I am a real person, its just after hours now
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]: even if they say yes, it's still an inconvenience, especially if you need to send a last minute announcement out to everyone
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[jgmac1106] basically people were setting up fake events and then using the service to spam
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tantek__ uh, how could they spam anyone that didn't already have a ticket? or were they just signing people up for their fake events just to spam them?
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[jgmac1106] yes...I do have a mailshake account but it will come from my company email not my personal one
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[jgmac1106] not sure that is what I was trying to figure it out
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tantek__ what is mailshake?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mailshake" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "mailshake is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ what is brown paper tickets
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "brown paper tickets" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "brown paper tickets is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] https://mailshake.com/ just a drip campaign...tried it for marketing and felt too dirty and spammy to clog up teachers email boxes with a drip campaign
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[jgmac1106] I think I will just go old school and bcc everyone and actually write an email
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tantek__ GWG are you going to the pre-party on Thursday night?
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tantek__ !tell [jgmac1106] just out of curiosity, have you reached out about reserving the private room and if so approximate range of cost?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] yes, it is reserved we have the third floor
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tantek.com edited /2018/NYC (+124) "/* Schedule */ NYT article on deadrabbit" (view diff)
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dougbeal You can add people manually with ti.to
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]++ wow (re: reserved we have the third floor)
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Loqi [jgmac1106] has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (57 in all channels)
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tantek__ glad I asked before posting my RSVP!
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jacky.wtf edited /User:Jacky.wtf (-4) "/* Projects */" (view diff)
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aaronpk i had to get whitelisted in tito to send emails too, but it's a one-time thing per account so not a big deal
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tantek__ good to know aaronpk
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tantek__ !tell GWG,[jgmac1106],schmarty can you post an RSVP (yes or no) to the indie event thursday night? (don't make me be the only one 😂)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek__ !tell GWG,[jgmac1106],schmarty whoops forgot URL https://aaronparecki.com/2018/09/26/2/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi IndieWebCamp NYC Pre-Party https://aaronparecki.com/2018/09/26/2/map.png
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aaronpk oops, reviewing email greg sent out and finding some wrong links
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aaronpk attempting to fix
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aaronparecki.com edited /2018 (+154) "/* Remote Participation */ link to NYC since this link went out in the email" (view diff)
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aaronpk crap i posted the preparty on the wrong day!
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aaronpk fixed FB
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aaronpk that's what i get for doing this on my phone while distracted
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tantek__ wow that was a fast fix. didn't even notice the problem
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aaronpk for some reason i can't get your RSVP moved over though
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aaronpk since my event URLs are based on the date of the event, the event URL chanted
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tantek__ huh?
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aaronpk changed
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aaronpk i made a redirect from the old URL to the new one but i can't figure out how to move your RSVP internally in my site
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tantek__ oh your post. the FB post looks good
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tantek__ updating my RSVP
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aaronpk oh i know why
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aaronpk got it!
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aaronpk hopefully if you update it it should recognize it as a dupe
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tantek__ hey where's the webmention form on your event post
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aaronpk refresh
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tantek__ whoa it just showed up
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aaronpk apparently it only shows up if there is at least one reply 😂
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aaronpk don't know how i managed that
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tantek__ haha
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tantek__ that's, an interesting catch-22 for the first person
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aaronpk it appears to be unique to event posts
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aaronpk aha found the bug
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tantek__ ooh new feature idea for event posts: expected weather during the event!
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aaronpk oh yeah i've always liked how facebook does that
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tantek__ wait is that where I saw that?
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tantek__ hey GWG you here?
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GWG I just got here
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Loqi GWG: tantek__ left you a message 43 minutes ago: can you post an RSVP (yes or no) to the indie event thursday night? (don't make me be the only one 😂)
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Loqi GWG: tantek__ left you a message 43 minutes ago: whoops forgot URL https://aaronparecki.com/2018/09/26/2/
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GWG O
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tantek__ :O
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tantek__ GWG this one http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/09/25/indiewebcamp-nyc
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tantek__ aaronpk you too ^^^ :)
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tantek__ is just going to keep being annoying until indie RSVPs are an easy thing :)
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Loqi That looks like spam, bye!
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GWG tantek__: I just updated my post.
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GWG But I find RSVPs easy.
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GWG Although I do have a major change planned.
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tantek__ GWG if they were easy you would've beat me to RSVPing to those indie events! ;)
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GWG tantek__: I was out of the country and didn't do it till I returned
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aaronpk not necessarily, discovery of the events is the other challenge
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GWG That is the challenge
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tantek__ ok fine that's a good reason :)
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GWG I RSVPed to the wrong URL
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tantek__ GWG I don't see you here: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/09/27/1/
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GWG Wrong as in, not the one that accepted replies
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Loqi IndieWebCamp NYC Pre-Party https://aaronparecki.com/2018/09/27/1/map.png
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GWG I haven't done that one yet
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GWG I did the other one
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tantek__ or here http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/09/25/indiewebcamp-nyc
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tantek__ aaronpk: presumably some discovery happens from events showing up in your reader?
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GWG I show up on both
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tantek__ 🎉
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GWG Looking forward to seeing the gang
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GWG I am wondering what I might do for hack day
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GWG I've been feeling a bit stalled lately with major projects having bugs for others
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tantek__ I'm wondering if there is anything I can actually *complete* on hack day
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tantek__ GWG, yeah that's definitely a challenge
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GWG tantek__: The new Micropub is stalled with auth issues that may be IndieAuth issues.
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GWG New Post Kinds is stalled for some people. I need more testers, I think
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tantek__ GWG, sounds like a bit of pair hacking with aaronpk might be in order to fix the Micropub auth issues
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tantek__ I bet it will be useful to document what kinds of challenges IndieAuth implementations might run into, and document troubleshooting
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GWG tantek__: It's more a WordPress issue, I think. But aaronpk might be able to figure out.
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GWG It is saying they aren't logged in, but they have a token
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Loqi :D
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swaqs28 AÞ¦ð
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gRegorLove For remote tomorrow are we using Hangouts or something else?
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gRegorLove Oops, I see it now "Please note that we'll likely make use of the Video Conference room remote conference setup at Pace University."
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gRegorLove Is that Vidyo?
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[jgmac1106] [gregorlove] will try Zoom first and fall back on Hangouts, we are in a video conference room so it should be okay
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[jgmac1106] don't exactly know yet
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[dougbeal] What is Zoom
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Zoom" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Zoom is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove Zoom is a video conferencing service https://zoom.us/
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gRegorLove what is Zoom
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Zoom" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Zoom is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove Zoom is a video conferencing service https://zoom.us/
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Already have it installed looks like. Was it used a bit during the Summit?
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[jgmac1106] yes, we used that over hangouts at Summit
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[kevinmarks] Principles thinking https://twitter.com/cramforce/status/1045013602053189633?s=19
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@cramforce I had some insights about software design this week that I need to blog about: There are at least 3 "tiers" of fundamentals that it makes sense to write down for a software project: 1. Design principles: These are widely held beliefs and don't change between apps/frameworks. (twitter.com/_/status/1045013602053189633)
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petermolnar vidconf in 2018, a.k.a chaos at it's best
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Nuggernogger11 jsiracusa what is the kid's laptop situation?
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ntfreak7 Hi-Angel: always put the monostate first
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[schmarty] looks like we have some odd new spam coming in via IRC. out-of-context messages from new nicks which mention unknown (not seen around here) nicks.
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Loqi [schmarty]: tantek__ left you a message 18 hours, 20 minutes ago: can you post an RSVP (yes or no) to the indie event thursday night? (don't make me be the only one 😂)
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Loqi [schmarty]: tantek__ left you a message 18 hours, 20 minutes ago: whoops forgot URL https://aaronparecki.com/2018/09/26/2/
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tantek__ looking forward to hanging out at IWC schmarty!
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tantek__ did you see the thread about possible post-camp karaoke on Saturday since the camp closes early? figured you might be into that
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[schmarty] ooh, i saw what i took to be idle chat about karaoke. i am definitely in and would happily sponsor an hour. :}
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]: ^^^ we have an IWC after-party karaoke sponsor!!!!
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[schmarty] looking forward to reconnecting with you and other indieweb folks, for sure! also very excited for the lineup that jgmac1106 has lined up!
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tantek__ yes I'm excited about the keynotes
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tantek__ also figured [jgmac1106] likes to post/tweet everytime we get a new sponsor so :)
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tantek__ [schmarty]: Would the sponsorship formally come from the "This Week In The IndieWeb" Podcast?
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chaignc > all [True,False,undefined]
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[schmarty] [jgmac1106] *a karaoke sponsor with very little knowledge about the NYC karaoke ecosystem. i don't know how much help i'll be organizing it
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tantek__ we can ask locals for suggestions at the pre-party
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[schmarty] [tantek]: haha, i am good with sponsoring on behalf of the podcast, but i am on the verge of an official hiatus for it, i think.
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tantek__ sounds like it has been fairly labor-intensive
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tantek__ even with the routine you have honed
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[jgmac1106] ...too be clear [schmarty] I was trying to combine improv and Karaoke to make parody Karaoke
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[jgmac1106] be just as happy with Slide Deck roulette or PechaFlickr
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[schmarty] [tantek]: the TWITIWAE process could always be improved but i am blocked on energy and focus. i actually have a finished script for the newsletter from weekend before last that i haven't been able to make myself sit down, record, and post.
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tantek__ ah that's a different kind of challenge
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tantek__ and the kind that taking a break sounds like a good idea
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[jgmac1106] silly person writing scripts, supposed to wing it and curse a lot and hope you remove them all post production
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[schmarty] we'll see what happens this weekend! i'm very excited to re-engage my indieweb brain.
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tantek__ you've always done it as a passion project of sorts, so that's an important key component
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tantek__ I'm assuming you've considered Patreoning it and decided not to?
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tantek__ (yeah I just verbed Patreon, deal with it)
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[schmarty] [jgmac1106]: i could probably manage to produce a podcast like that, but i think of TWITIWAE as being more brief and info-rich. for me that means writing it ahead of time. :}
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[jgmac1106] and if writing ahead of time means we get your sexy announcer voice, then get to work
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[schmarty] [tantek]: i thought about that briefly, but funding isn't really an issue. it is a passion project, as you said. i think i am currently deadlocked on a handful of projects and life changes.
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]++
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Loqi [jgmac1106] has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (58 in all channels)
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[schmarty] so i plan not to think about it too hard until after IWC this weekend, and see what inspiration comes!
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tantek__ [schmarty]: it's had an awesome run TBH, and super grateful for it. But more super grateful for you, so whatever you decide, know that you have support
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dougbeal schmarty: how long is the preperation for TWITIWAE?
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[schmarty] [tantek]++ thanks! i appreciate that!
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Loqi [tantek] has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (91 in all channels)
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[schmarty] [dougbeal]: it varies quite a bit depending on how many and what type of wiki activity has been going on. i wrote up my general process here, and i think it's still pretty accurate: /User:Martymcgui.re/this-week-indieweb-podcast
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[schmarty] with full focus i managed to rush out a whole episode in something like 90 minutes after the 2017 Leaders Summit so it would be done before the pre-party :}
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tantek__ clearly we'd need to give you time to do so. couldn't miss the sponsor at the afterparty
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[schmarty] these days i seem to pick away at the writing over long periods. i think i could use a new approach.
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[jgmac1106] we need someone to build a bot with text to voice that can do the new members part
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[schmarty] [tantek]: 😂
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tantek__ a schmartybot would be amazing
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[schmarty] [jgmac1106]: that is one of the more challenging parts to write, actually! i often have to go hunting for bios. also, a bot would possibly be the one way to have *worse* pronunciation for names that i'm not familiar with. 😂
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tantek__ this is our first FriSat IWC I think, which means it will be split across newsletters!
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4wf1J3CC.jpg
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tantek__ wat
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[schmarty] happy to chat about all this more at IWC if it comes up! for now: i need to get packed and on a train to NYC!
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[schmarty] lol loqi
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tantek__ This is an insufficient pattern to match to meme!
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4wfaKhbW.jpg
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dougbeal lol, don't stand near any wells with Loqi around
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[schmarty] [jgmac1106]: one last check before i pack up: are you all set for remote setups for breakout rooms? i could bring my chromebook-based kit but obviously would rather lose the weight if we won't be using it.
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[jgmac1106] I grabbed so much stuff that may not work, grabbed a tricaster mini, a bunch of mics, a couple video cameras, black magic camera, and some tripods
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[jgmac1106] extra hdmi cables and if you have them
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Valentine13 well, I'll try the restart, bbiab
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Valentine13 night of the living dead just used a bunch of public domain stuff they had lying around at their university
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Valentine13 splud: indeed tempering is a feature and they would likely stated it
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Valentine13 I remember some xmpp question a few weeks back
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Valentine13 Oh, 5 years? That should be in a museum.
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dougbeal That spam appeared in slack
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olesalscheider2 we haven't had new technology since the 1960s
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olesalscheider2 he has to level up or something
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olesalscheider2 Going on 21 hours
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olesalscheider2 "Statistical physics" is ours really
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olesalscheider2 zero maintenance
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aaronpk is the spam making it through to slack? I thought I had fixed that
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[jgmac1106] yes
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[jgmac1106] be off Slack and back to IRC once I am not hotspotting
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dougbeal Just started, so there's that?
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aaronpk ah i blocked only the ones that were matching the spam filters from reaching slack
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aaronpk this one's gonna be tough
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aaronpk i don't like this game
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dougbeal aaronpk++ for fighting the good fight
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Loqi aaronpk has 62 karma in this channel over the last year (308 in all channels)
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aaronpk maybe if i think of it as a game it will be more fun actually
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aaronpk new rule deployed to prevent anything from non-voiced users to be written to the logs or pushed to slack
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[eddie] 🎉
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aaronpk somehow missed that case when i was doing this before
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aaronpk so the new pattern is the bots send like 4-5 messages in 10 seconds
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aaronpk so i might need to add some rate limiting rules for recently-joined accounts
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]++ for amazing IWC NYC outreach
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Loqi [jgmac1106] has 27 karma in this channel over the last year (59 in all channels)
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Loqi [jfdelnero] uMTP-Responder: Ligthweight Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) responder daemon for GNU/Linux
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aaronpk loqiiiiiii
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sknebel Loqi talking to ghosts :D
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aaronpk i might need to deop loqi and make a new spam fighter insteadf
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sknebel to annoying to make everything in Loqi conditional on spam-mode and +v?
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aaronpk yea
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sknebel makes sense
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tantek__ "responder daemon for GNU/Linux" sounds like something you'd use for a bot
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[jgmac1106] Thinking Hole in the Wall 15 cliff Street for Leaders Breakfast tomorrow
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[jgmac1106] Will add to wiki when I get to hotel.... Too bad I booked R-S luckily found a hostel room at Bowery Hotel for tonight
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[jgmac1106] https://www.holeinthewallnyc.com/menu/
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AdrianTP0 bls: i guess i have a deeper problem
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AdrianTP0 know a tiny bit more about python but still :)
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[jgmac1106] Sooo next time I move the leaders meeting earlier to accommodate European friends remind me to change my hotel reservation ahead of time... Or not book in Downtown during a UN meeting
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