#meta 2018-09-27

2018-09-27 UTC
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GWG Not sure I will get there for breakfast. I may dawdle.
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tantek__ I may go directly to breakfast from EWR
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GWG I just forgot to get a metrocard and no place will sell me one till 8AM
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[jgmac1106] We can push back the schedule a bit 8f we need to.
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[schmarty] currently scheduled for 9:30am leader's breakfast @ 15 Cliff St?
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GWG Trying to decide if I should bring my recording equipment and leave it there, or just bring it on Friday.
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[schmarty] i am planning to bring mine on friday
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GWG So, I will just bring a small setup
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[jgmac1106] You can leave it. We have full control of space and 24 hour security
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GWG I meant not bothering to bring it early. I will just bring my laptop tomorrow
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martymcgui.re edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+105) "/* Where */ minimal breakfast info" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+97) "/* Schedule */ breakfast" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+104) "/* What */ working link for surviving poisonous people talk" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+66) "/* Remote Participation */ chrisaldrich" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Known channel has some odd botversations going on
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (-39) "/* Remote Participation */ doesn't look like I'll have time" (view diff)
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Zegnat [jgmac1106], is Leaders a go in about 40 minutes?
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GWG I am coming straight to the venue. Running behind for breakfast
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GWG Isn't it 1hr 40?
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Zegnat I don’t know ... someone put in central european time
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Zegnat rechecks
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Zegnat CEST: 15:30-20:30 (UTC+2) https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC/Leaders#When
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Zegnat That’s in 32 minutes
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GWG Yes, but I don't think you can remotely attend breakfast
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GWG I will be missing it due transit
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Zegnat Ah, you are right, GWG!
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aaronpk We can send you virtual avocados
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Zegnat Should’ve put the remote times at the actual call-in times ...
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GWG Tomorrow I need to come earlier
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[jgmac1106] okay will do when sitting at breakfast, sorry
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[jgmac1106] @gwg I have an extra bed in my hotel
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[jgmac1106] my family didn't come...even booked hotel for pool for them
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+40) "/* When */ Bump remote times by 1 hour to exclude breakfast" (view diff)
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Zegnat Bumped the hours, [jgmac1106] ^^^
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Zegnat Let me know if you need any other remote wiki gardening to happen, you know where to find me
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GWG jgmac1106, Queens isn't so bad a hike. But will keep in mind
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Zegnat 85 minutes until Remote Leaders can get ready for https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC/Leaders
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2018-09-27 4:27pm CEST (#6377)
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GWG Didn't bring my things anyway
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GWG ETA 10am
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GWG Jgmac1106, can I use the pool?
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GWG Revised to 9:44. Got a closer connection
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[jgmac1106] Of course you can.... Maybe a Karoke pool party
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GWG Which hotel is this?
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GWG Next stop Pearl and Peck
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dougbeal Oh good, time for breakfast
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[jgmac1106] Millineum Hilton Downtown
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GWG I am tempted to go back and pack a suitcase
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[jgmac1106] I have it for few nights plenty of time before pre party, you are welcome to join. I
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[jgmac1106] Just got message from friend trying to join Slack on website it says you need an IndieWebCamp email address to register
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Zegnat Hmm, that used to be a thing but shouldn’t be anymore
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[jgmac1106] Yeah wondering if it was put back in bc of spam... Gonna have lots of folks trying to join
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aaronpk There should be a regular invite page at chat.indieweb.org/slack
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aaronpk I think if you try from slack itself it thinks you need a company email
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aaronpk [jgmac1106]: you coming to breakfast? It's just schmarty and me right now
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GWG Stuck on the bus
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GWG It's creeping
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aaronpk I was walking faster than most of the cars on the road this morning
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aaronpk A wild [jgmac1106] appears!
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GWG Stuck in the tunnel
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GWG Still stuck
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GWG Out of the tunnel
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Loqi Remote Leaders can get ready for https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC/Leaders
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Loqi Countdown set by Zegnat on 2018-09-27 at 3:02pm CEST
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Zegnat Woops, not actually ready yet. People at the venue already or still breakfasting?
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GWG I am still in traffic
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[tantek] Still breakfasting
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Zegnat goes and makes himself a hot drink
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calumryan.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+16) "/* Remote Participation */" (view diff)
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dougbeal Another cup of tea does sound good
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GWG Under the Brooklyn Bridge
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GWG On the ground, where should I go?
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[schmarty] We are still at Hole in the Wall
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calumryan listening in for Leaders though shall probably need to leave early
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dougbeal Should I start filling out the etherpad?
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eddiehinkle.com edited /Planning (-93) "/* Online */ Remove dates since we've passed them + 2019 shift proposal" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] Good morning indieweb. I'm on my way into the office...
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: tantek__ left you a message 2 weeks ago: any indieweb-specific plans at WordCamp Los Angeles https://2018.la.wordcamp.org/?
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dougbeal o/ chrisaldrich
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[eddie] Hey [chrisaldrich]
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[chrisaldrich] 👋
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Zegnat Any ETA on the Leaders? Want to know if I can go do something else afk
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[eddie] aaronpk’s website shows the blue dot at Hole in the Wall
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[eddie] so I assume you’re safe
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[eddie] oh wait, the blue dot is gone…
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Zegnat Uh-oh, they are on the move!
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[eddie] 😆
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dougbeal Lets change aaronpk's pixel grid!
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[schmarty] hey folks! we are trying to get things set up
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[schmarty] the video setup here is proprietary cisco stuff so we are getting our own going 😐
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[schmarty] it may be a setup using https://www.bluejeans.com/products/meetings
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Zegnat Ah. Does that mean more setup work will need to be done for tomorrow?
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dougbeal Pixel fonts are hard ;)
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[schmarty] i think it means folks who want to participate remotely will have to use bluejeans.com to follow along.
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[schmarty] they are setting up a meeting for us for today and say they have already set them up for tomorrow.
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[schmarty] not sure how we will capture these though
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[eddie] I can try to capture them from my side
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Zegnat can't be of help there
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[eddie] I’ll test today so we know how well it comes out
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[schmarty] this isn't the same room that we'll be in tomorrow
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[schmarty] or rather, this will be one of the breakout rooms
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[eddie] Gotcha :thumbsup:
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[eddie] Same software all days though?
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[schmarty] they're gonna walk us around to see the facilities. we may set up our own hardware for tomorrow so we can use hangouts instead.
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[eddie] gotcha :thumbsup:
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[schmarty] currently waiting on them to contact IT to create a bluejeans meeting event for us to join via the conference equipment here.
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Zegnat Should we download any Bluejeans software in the meantime? Or is it available through a browser? (Sorry if you don’t have the answers, [schmarty]!)
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[schmarty] great question, zegnat! i am not sure. i think the bluejeans.com link i dropped above might have the answer.
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[schmarty] i *think* they'll give us a meeting link to share
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Zegnat I found it a little vague ...it says that for “smart user control” (w/e that means) you can go download an app ...
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[eddie] “Join meetings in under six seconds through the mobile app, desktop app or directly in the browser without the need to download.”
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Zegnat Ah. Good to know!
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calumryan downloaded, setting up the desktop app
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Zegnat I’ll hold out and try the browser version when the link becomes available
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[schmarty] okay, we have a meeting ID: 940 858 433 ; you can join at bluejeans.com via the "Join Meeting" link in the upper-righthand corner.
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gRegorLove I'm not going to be able to join today
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[schmarty] etherpad: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2018-NYC-Leaders
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david.shanske.com edited /User:David.shanske.com (+64) "/* Itches */" (view diff)
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Zegnat right in the browser. As in: it triggers a download
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Zegnat Connecting with join meeting sends you to a URL matching this format: https://bluejeans.com/940858433/?name=yournamehere
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Zegnat For me it triggered a .dmg download
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Zegnat Oh, hang on, they hide a WebRTC link at the bottom, even though they auto-start a download (bad practice there!)
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[chrisaldrich] yes, the download before giving you the web option is a bit much...
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Zegnat This WebRTC is murder on my bandwidth. And no options (as seems to be the norm for most of these WebRTC things :( ). Going to try the app it downloaded
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[chrisaldrich] oh hey, i've got audio working now...
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Zegnat leaves a experience review of “bad”, stating how he couldn’t figure out how to degrade or toggle video stream to try and save the audio
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Zegnat downloading iPad app, will try to join when that is done
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aaronpk Zegnat: I think there is a phone number you can call
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aaronpk would that be easier?
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Zegnat Probably easier but not cost effective ;)
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aaronpk can probably call from google hangouts for free
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Zegnat Let me try the iPad app first. Then I can go look at Hangouts.
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Zegnat BlueJeans, like so many of these platforms, has a weird focus on streaming high quality video all the time. Doesn’t work for me with my connection. I don’t need to see someone has a sticker on their charger brick, I need stable and functioning audio.
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Zegnat hashtag-not-first-world-internet-in-the-first-world
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Zegnat looks into hangouts
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Zegnat I am now called in to the meeting. Interesting
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dougbeal|mb1 Working better?
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Zegnat It works better in that it isn’t using the internet. It is not better in that phone quality seems lower than the online audio quality
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tantek__ what is admin
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Loqi admin in the context of the indieweb refers to the act of and UI for signing-into, installing, configuring, updating, backing up a personal site and anything else that has nothing do with creating or reading the posts themselves https://indieweb.org/admin
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gRegorLove This direct link worked for me btw https://bluejeans.com/940858433/webrtc
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gRegorLove Here for a bit, just listening
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[kevinmarks] listening too, mic and cam off
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[kevinmarks] weird Loqi responses in the Known channel, presumably to deleted spam
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[dougbeal] It me
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tantek.com edited /2018/NYC/Leaders (+9) "/* What */ ✅ a few" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I am here, but guess you can't hear me?
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[chrisaldrich] Nope. we can't..
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aaronpk Zegnat: you are now + everything in the channels
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aaronpk except +O so you will not be auto-opped when you join
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Zegnat I was just checking that, hehe. Nice. Thanks. This also gives me access to the access lists themselves, so I can actually document who are ops
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[chrisaldrich] [gregorlove] You can interact w/in the etherpad if you're able: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2018-NYC-Leaders
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aaronpk Zegnat++ yay please do
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sknebel got a few mins, but not getting video or audio. reading etherpad...
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sknebel (would volunteer for EU irc admin duty too)
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Zegnat Yes, I am doing a webmention thing for Mastodon, but that’s outside of actual Mastodon. I am not writing PR for Mastodon.
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Zegnat More like Bridgy is for Twitter.
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Zegnat I think the branding confusion, and the point aaronpk is making, is that someone will be @someone@indieweb.me. But `someone` can be any username, and may not even be on the IndieWeb wiki, or in the chats, or ever attended an event. This someone does suddenly seem part of the indieweb.org “club”
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Zegnat Am I hearing GWG volunteer for fixing everyone’s toughest problem: coming up with names?
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Zegnat has to leave for dinner, might call in again afterwards if still going on in ~1 hour.
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GWG Zegnat: No. Kidding
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dougbeal|mb1 How long is the break?
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[schmarty] gRegorLove++ for wiki edits for new Organizers pages
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aaronparecki.com moved /2016/Leaders to /2016/Organizers
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aaronparecki.com moved /2018/Berlin/Leaders to /2018/Berlin/Organizers
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gRegorLove [schmarty], Did I hear correctly that we're calling them "Organizer Meetups" for regular IWC and "Organizer Summit" at summits?
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gRegorLove Not clear to me in the etherpad
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aaronpk yep
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[kevinmarks] I need to head out, so no longer lurking
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[schmarty] [gregorlove]: sorry for the confusion. you have it right.
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[schmarty] [kevinmarks]: thanks for hanging in!
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[kevinmarks] Wish I was there
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GWG Architects, Builders, Content Creators?
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calumryan heading out briefly, back later
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gregorlove.com moved /Leaders to /Organizers "Decision at /2018/NYC/Leaders"
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Zegnat Is the call still going? Just finished dinner and can call in again
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dougbeal|mb1 yep
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dougbeal|mb1 Working on the landing page for the wiki
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Zegnat Alright. Getting settled and reobtaining the key to enter on the phone
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Zegnat is in
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gregorlove.com moved /2018/Leaders to /2018/Organizers "Decision at /2018/NYC/Organizers"
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gregorlove.com moved /2017/Leaders to /2017/Organizers "Decision at /2018/NYC/Organizers"
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gregorlove.com edited /Organizers (+131) "/* past */ +NYC, meetup/summit naming" (view diff)
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gRegorLove sknebel++ for Kaja (props given at the Organizers Meetup :)
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[schmarty] okay! looks like we're wrapping up for a food break here at NYC.
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Zegnat is still listening in
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Zegnat What is this colour discussion?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "this colour discussion" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "this colour discussion is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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dougbeal|mb1 I think BlueJeans just xrashed
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dougbeal|mb1 crashed
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dougbeal|mb1 Is there more after break?
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Zegnat They are saying to only reconvene after break if people actually have points they want to handle today
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aaronpk Zegnat: how to use color to designate the new sections of the new home page
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Zegnat Ah, gotcha
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GWG I suggest left to right like the colors of the IWC log
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GWG logo
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aaronpk not *now*
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[schmarty] haha
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gRegorLove Already redirected pages, sorry can't change "Organizers" now ;)
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aaronpk gRegorLove++
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gRegorLove none for me, tantek
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Zegnat Now the sound is gone. Hanging around to see if BlueJeans tells me the meeting is over :P
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aaronpk Zegnat: yep it is over! We are at burgers now
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Zegnat I reckoned, just wanted to see if it would throw me out.
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Zegnat It didn’t. Could have used it as a free international phonecall proxy by just inviting other people to call in to meeting :P
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Zegnat I am shutting down. Call-in quality was passable, hope I was clear to you all when speaking. I do hope these conference people will start seriously testing with 3G internet some point in the future. Entire countries depend on it
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Zegnat Enjoy burgers everyone! I am going to catch up on my reading and head for bed
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aaronpk 🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔
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[tantek] Gregorlove++
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gRegorLove Added "Review the task list from the previous meetup" because I think that's something easy to forget about post-IWC
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[tantek] It's been really difficult to "review" issues without getting part way into solving them
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[tantek] By the time someone knowledgeable about an issue explains it to everyone else, you're (likely) halfway to solving it (for some issues at least)
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[tantek] Other than that, the rest looks great
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[tantek] One thing to consider adding is a reminder to take a photo at an organizers's meeting (we forgot today)
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gRegorLove My intent there is to make sure issues get considered from the three places they may appear
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[tantek] I agree fully with that intent
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gRegorLove So maybe get rid of the "prioritize"?
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gRegorLove Like there doesn't need to be that much pre-processing.
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[tantek] I'm worried about the process of reviewing indirectly taking over from known urgent issues
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gRegorLove yeah
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[jgmac1106] But if you think about today we said, "Do we want to start with something easy to tackle or important to solve" we were all exhausted and chose easy to solve. Not sure I wa lnt to prioritize issues until the day od
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[schmarty] [jgmac1106] if you are getting name tag stickers from staples, you'll also want to pick up some sharpies and some large format post-it notes for the schedule grid. 4"x6" is the usual size, but whatever they have is great.
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[jgmac1106] I am a teacher. I always travel with bags of sharpies.
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gRegorLove [jgmac1106], yeah, the brainstormed steps are to prioritize day of
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[schmarty] And by 4x6 I mean 6x8 😂
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[jgmac1106] .....enjoy the bday. Hopefully can find a Staples in morning. Want to be at meet up venue early
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