#meta 2018-09-29

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GWG I am at the diner down the street
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@bmann My IndieWeb tooling adventure continues! A post via Omnibear. https://omnibear.com (twitter.com/_/status/1045839942180573185)
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@jgmac1106 I just published “My Goals For #IndieWebCamp NYC: #OpenBadges Endorsement at the DNS Level” https://medium.com/p/my-goals-for-indiewebcamp-nyc-openbadges-endorsement-at-the-dns-level-757f7456b632 (twitter.com/_/status/1045852133155835904)
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@scott_gruber .@ChrisAldrich @royboy789 @aaronproctor @SisyphusBowles et al. Would you be interested to talk at Innovate Pasadena in Oct? I’m putting together a session on topics like WordPress, CSS, Accessibility, Performance or the IndieWeb. DM or webmention me. https://scottgruber.me/blog/2018-09-28-speaking-opportunities-at-innovate-pasadena (twitter.com/_/status/1045906900846432256)
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doubleloop.net edited /User:Doubleloop.net (+358) "Some fixes and itches" (view diff)
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doubleloop.net edited /User:Doubleloop.net (+1502) "Document my site setup" (view diff)
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jacky.wtf created /Koype (+374) "Created page with "== Koype == '''<dfn>Koype</dfn>''' is an upcoming software project that aims to provide a one-stop shop for those looking for a single-tenant Web service to uphold IndieWeb pr..."" (view diff)
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "their criteria" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "their criteria is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[schmarty] Heading out now. Probably will arrive around 8:30 or 8:45 depending on breakfast options etc
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[schmarty] (Picking up coffee and Diet Coke
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[schmarty] )
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Zegnat [schmarty], did you ever end up finding non-dairy creamer?
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aaronpk yes there is almond milk
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aaronpk if we need more, the coffee shop around the corner has oat milk
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Zegnat Not sure why I am asking, but suddenly remembered hearing him say it when I was listening in
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aaronpk important announcement: it is national coffee day and you can get free coffee from Birch Coffee around the corner from IWC NYC today
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4wimbwx9.jpg
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aaronpk loqiiii
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Zegnat What triggered that one?!
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aaronpk spam
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Zegnat Hahahaha, brilliant
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Loqi Zegnat: lol
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Zegnat This is just going to make Loqi seem even more random and alive
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[dougbeal] 😹
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[eddie] That is hillarious
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[eddie] loqi++
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@TheDavidJohnson Hmmmm... Is this a return to a true Open Web? #indieweb #openweb https://www.fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web (twitter.com/_/status/1046022248669351938)
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aaronparecki.com created /2018/NYC/badges (+2690) "add etherpad and whiteboard photos" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] https://www.inrupt.com
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[kevinmarks] Illegible grey on grey
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dougbeal Have all the etherpads been migrated to the wiki?
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aaronpk no
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dougbeal Replace link in schedule with new page?
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dougbeal Oh, someone linkified it already
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dougbeal great
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dougbeal gregorlove++ linkifying!
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dougbeal.com created /2018/NYC/activitypub (+1278) "initial import from etherpad" (view diff)
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[schmarty] dougbeal++ etherpad converting!
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[schmarty] [tantek]: waiting for you to do hackday kickoff. we'll do a quick stream to include remote folks.
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[tantek] [schmarty] in subway now. ETA 5min?
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[tantek] Sorry thought you would've started already! How's the crowd? More/fewer people today?
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[schmarty] we have started! however, some remote folks were asking about a kickoff stream.
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dougbeal.com created /2018/NYC/undo (+2030) "Created page with "Undo was a session at [[2018/NYC|IndieWebCamp NYC 2018]]. Notes archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/undo ------------ IndieWebCamp NYC 2018 Session: #undo When: 2018..."" (view diff)
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[schmarty] pretty much everyone from dinner yesterday is here, plus Atul :}
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dougbeal.com created /2018/NYC/buildingblocks (+661) "Created page with "buildingblocks was a session at [[2018/NYC|IndieWebCamp NYC 2018]]. Notes archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/undo ------------ IndieWebCamp NYC 2018 Session: Build..."" (view diff)
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[tantek] Great. Going to grab a breakfast sandwich then
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dougbeal|mb1 What does {{stub}} indicate for session notes?
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Zegnat Probably nothing... that more notes are expected? that someone wants to rewrite them? I think we do not use {{stub}} very consistently
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dougbeal.com created /2018/NYC/dataportability (+2725) "Created page with "{{stub}} Undo was a session at [[2018/NYC|IndieWebCamp NYC 2018]]. Notes archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/undo ------------ IndieWebCamp NYC 2018 <br> Session:..."" (view diff)
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aaronpk it's for the wiki
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dougbeal.com created /2018/NYC/readers (+782) "Created page with "Social Readers was a session at [[2018/NYC|IndieWebCamp NYC 2018]]. Notes archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/readers ------------ IndieWebCamp NYC 2018 Session: Re..."" (view diff)
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Zegnat dougbeal, no, it marks the page as incomplete in some way. And displays a message to that affect. That is about it, AFAIK
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dougbeal.com created /2018/NYC/learntobuild (+2869) "Created page with "Learn to Build was a session at [[2018/NYC|IndieWebCamp NYC 2018]]. Notes archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/learntobuild Video: tbd <!--{{videoduration|link=https..."" (view diff)
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[tantek] Yes {{stub}} is a Wikipedia template we are reusing
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[tantek] Same meaning
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dougbeal.com created /2018/NYC/notifications (+6906) "Created page with "Notifications was a session at [[2018/NYC|IndieWebCamp NYC 2018]]. Notes archived from: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/notifications Video: tbd <!--{{videoduration|link=https..."" (view diff)
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[tantek] Dougbeal++
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[tantek] Dougbeal have you edited Wikipedia?
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dougbeal tantek: gRegorLove created the schedule links yesterday, if I'm understanding correctly
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dougbeal tantek: oh, no
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Zegnat E.g. /photo is definitely a living document, but is it still fair to call it a stub?
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Zegnat I wonder if all these pages really are stubs ... https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3Astub&namespace=0
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aaronpk what is a stub?
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Loqi A stub is an article that is brand new or considered incomplete by the authors/contributors, based on opinion or arbitrary measure https://indieweb.org/stub
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aaronpk 😂
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aaronpk "arbitrary measure"
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aaronpk so they are all stubs and not stubs at the same time
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Zegnat Yeah, I read the definition we have. And it leaves me wondering about living pages like /photo or pages like /h-cite that feel pretty complete.
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Zegnat Without a Talk page, it is hard to know why a page author still considers something a stub
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sknebel I'd guess in most cases it's just left over (e.g. I think Loqi adds it to dfns created?)
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tantek__ check out the quality of typical non-stub Wikipedia pages. then compare to any IndieWeb page you think is not a stub. note the wide differences
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tantek__ we discussed redesigining the home page to have onboarding paths to multiple audience, indieweb users, wordpress folks, and developers.
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tantek__ if you take the perspective of any one of those specific audiences who has never been to an indieweb page before, then it becomes pretty obvious why most pages are stubs
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tantek__ does the page make sense to an indieweb user and help them understand why something matters? does the page make sense to someone using wordpress and how they can improve their blog? does the page make sense to developers and provide a quickly understandable reason why they should care and how to implement it with examples?
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Zegnat Those questions are great tantek! Should probably be added on /stub as the general goals for making something a non-stub
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tantek__ Zegnat, I think /wikify addresses some of that
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Zegnat stub << [[wikify]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[wikify]]" to a new "See Also" section of /stub https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=52231&oldid=26840
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loqi.me edited /stub (+30) "Zegnat added "[[wikify]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Zegnat stub << [https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2018-09-29#t1538232786884700 Discussion of quality and guiding questions] for getting a page to be not-a-stub
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2018-09-29#t1538232786884700 Discussion of quality and guiding questions] for getting a page to be not-a-stub" to the "See Also" section of /stub https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=52232&oldid=52231
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Loqi [tantek__] check out the quality of typical non-stub Wikipedia pages. then compare to any IndieWeb page you think is not a stub. note the wide differences
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Zegnat tantek__, it might, but would be great if /stub itself could help people who want to do gardening with a couple of pointers :)
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tantek.com edited /stub (+130) "why a stub because finding wikify is not obvious" (view diff)
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tantek__ dougbeal: you've been uploading the etherpads to the wiki right? appreciated!
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dougbeal tantek__: yep, thanks
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tantek__ dougbeal, great! I've seen a custom (I think gRegorLove might have started it?) of leaving a link to the wiki page on an etherpad when it's been archived
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tantek__ dougbeal check https://etherpad.indieweb.org/undo for an example
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tantek__ (we leave a summary of when/where the session was and link to notes, which leaves nice little summary history in the etherpad when topics are discussed across indiewebcamps)
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tantek__ IDK if we've formalized this but I've seen it work well in practice
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dougbeal tantek__: is there a page were it is formalized? If not, maybe a quick checklist so anyone could pick it up :)
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dougbeal tantek__: should I clear out the content as well?
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tantek__ most of the content - hence why I pointed out https://etherpad.indieweb.org/undo as an example
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tantek__ I don't know if / where it is formalized. I think gRegorLove came up with the custom
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dougbeal tantek__: some of the pages seem resistant to loading after I have closed them :(
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tantek__ etherpads? or wiki?
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dougbeal tantek__: etherpads, worked fine in differnt browser
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tantek__ did you try Firefox? :)
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@jackjamieson Been enjoying IndieWebCamp NYC 2018 yesterday and today. Wish I could be there in person but remote participation is a close second. Today’s project:  I’m working on  an admin interface for Yarns Microsub Server, so it will be possible to manage feed… https://wp.me/pa1ZnJ-AQ (twitter.com/_/status/1046033337557692416)
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tantek.com edited /undo (+29) "sessions, see also" (view diff)
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dougbeal tantek__: cleaned up the etherpads
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tantek__ "Javascript is like sugar. You're not supposed to have too much of it" - GWG
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@wiobyrne ↩️ I've been folding in #indieweb philosophies to archive my shares...and save comments. I often consider if this just makes me a digital hoarder. My hope is to focus in open scholarship and "showing my work" as I'm thinking online and off. (twitter.com/_/status/1046039035540623361)
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@whymandesign Exclusive: Tim Berners-Lee tells us his radical new plan to upend the World Wide Web https://www.fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1046072688651964419)
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@actualham ↩️ I have moved in indieweb fashion to more personal blogging for things I want to archive or save. For example, this post (http://robinderosa.net/a-family-trip-to-spain/) would have been a FB post in the old days. So now I try to make thing delete-able or hosted on my own site. (twitter.com/_/status/1046042539554471936)
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@codeForPDX @indiewebcamp is Solid a project that you consider aligned with indie web? https://solid.inrupt.com/how-it-works "Solid is the technology that underpins a movement, being lead by Sir Tim Berners-Lee to re-orient the web to its original vision." (twitter.com/_/status/1046075201757360129)
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@jevdemon I just realized TimBL was publishing on his on site and syndicating through Medium (POSSE in #Indieweb terms). The original post is here: https://www.inrupt.com/blog/one-small-step-for-the-web (twitter.com/_/status/1046082228877479936)
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gRegorLove dougbeal, https://indieweb.org/Etherpad#How_to_take_notes_during_IndieWebCamp
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gRegorLove oops, sub-section https://indieweb.org/Etherpad#Dumping_IndieWebCamp_notes
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gRegorLove dougbeal++ for wiki gardening
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dougbeal ah, was just cargo culting the dfn/ didn't add it everywhere
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tantek__ Greg can you figure out for sure how late we can go and change the official schedule? I think we can all use more time
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tantek__ !tell [jgmac1106] can you figure out for sure how late we can go and change the official schedule? I think we can all use more time!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /reader (+201) "software examples, move woodwind here from feed reader" (view diff)
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[schmarty] sounds like we have to be out of here at 3:30pm.
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[schmarty] so... demos now? [jgmac1106] [tantek] gwg [aaronpk] [tmiller] [shurcool]?
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jackjamieson Will there be a remote stream to watch demos?
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aaronpk we're gonna try!
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jackjamieson aaronpk: Thanks! If so, great! :)
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dougbeal|mb1 aaronpk: streaming demoes live
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[kevinmarks] TimBL's blog has an h-entry but no content
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dougbeal|mb1 Zegnat: are you going to live blog the demos?j
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Zegnat Depending on stream availability I am happy to live-scribe in chat.
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aaronpk stream should work
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Zegnat It depends when demos are going live ... if it doesn’t happen for another 15 minutes I might hack on my own demo a bit more :P
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Zegnat Are we on https://www.youtube.com/c/Indiewebcamp/live ? That shows offline to me, aaronpk
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[Rose] Where's the stream?
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aaronpk yes it's all queued up
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aaronpk not started yet
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Zegnat Gotcha
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aaronpk it will be on the youtube channel
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tantek.com edited /undo (+2026) "expand a bit, no side-effects, service examples, brainstorming, feed readers" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /undo (+353) "posting UI could use delay technique like Gmail" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /undo (+483) "Protocol Examples, Micropub undelete, brainstorming Micropub Undo undo" (view diff)
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@jackjamieson Update on my IndieWebCamp NYC 2018 project, adding an interface for channel management to Yarns Microsub Server. It’s ugly, but it works: Still in progress, but it’s now possible to subscribe to feeds from the WordPress dashboard.  Previously feed… https://wp.me/pa1ZnJ-AS (twitter.com/_/status/1046111939548651521)
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gRegorLove HI AARON
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tantek__ anyone queued up to demo remotely?
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dougbeal Zegnat++: live capture
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dougbeal jgmac1106++: organizing
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dougbeal schmarty++: MC'ing demos
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Zegnat jgmac1106++ for sure!
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Zegnat [schmarty]++ for once again being the voice of the indieweb ;)
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Zegnat indieweb++ for being a cool community and coming up with such a diverse set of demos, from backend code, to wiki edits, to entirely new websites :D
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gregorlove.com created /2018/NYC/Demos (+261) "stub" (view diff)
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sknebel am I doing something weird or did custom CSS get disabled?
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Zegnat Has that ever been enabled?
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gRegorLove yeah. I thought it still was
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gRegorLove Maybe it got disabled with the MW update?
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sknebel fairly sure it was. I mean, custom JS is enabled so I can inject CSS that way, but that seems wrong :D
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sknebel oh, that might be, yeah
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sknebel !tell aaronpk: I'd love for https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowUserCss to be re-enabled
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove My previous notes: https://gregorlove.com/2016/06/i-am-tinkering-with-the/ it worked in a file named after the theme, vector.css
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] I am tinkering with the user-customized CSS for the indiewebcamp.com wiki and thought I would share. My custom CSS is here. You can edit yours by going to “My Preferences”, clicking “Appearance”, then clicking “Custom CSS” beside the Vec...
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gRegorLove But that's 2016
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sknebel I tried vector.css first (had an old one), only created a new to make sure that's not it
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gRegorLove Remember when the domain was indiewebcamp.com? Good times. :)
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sknebel ah yeah, also no Custom CSS button there, only a custom JS one
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sknebel so I guess that means it is turned off
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Zegnat is a wiki admin but doesn’t think there is a UI place to check that
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aaronpk sknebel: oh huh I thought that was still there
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Loqi aaronpk: sknebel left you a message 5 minutes ago: I'd love for https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowUserCss to be re-enabled
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aaronpk enabled
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sknebel thx
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sknebel aaronpk++ for very quick customer service :D
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gRegorLove sknebel, now you can enjoy the wiki with bright red background ;)
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sknebel ;)
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@justagwailo MicroBlog, Jekyll, MicroPub and IndieWeb https://medium.com/@bmann/microblog-jekyll-micropub-and-indieweb-4fb38fa7e826 (twitter.com/_/status/1046143075746238464)
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@ChrisAldrich I saw a lot more interesting things at #IndieWebCamp New York in the last two days than ultimately ended up in the demos, but I'm sure that continued work will bring a lot more awesomeness to the web to fruition. https://boffosocko.com/2018/09/29/indiewebcamp-nyc-demos-youtube/ (twitter.com/_/status/1046157893949509632)
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@FormationXtof ↩️ Lloyd. Contrat de couverture tous risques bateau (Feeling 1100 + 4 personnes) pour un *tour du monde*. (@pif@indieweb.me : l'équipage est complet, on se reparle lundi.) L'ébauche de ma page du jour est posée sur (2/3) (twitter.com/_/status/1046169823363751936)
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@marccanter4real While everyone is waiting to hear who will be the new Chairman of Tesla, I’m excited to hear about what @timberners_lee has been up 2 https://medium.com/@timberners_lee/one-small-step-for-the-web-87f92217d085 I wonder if @inrupt will show up @ https://www.meetup.com/dwebsf/?_cookie-check=3W5vpC8FjIZjDqVn @kevinmarks @benwerd @indiewebcamp @dsearls @PhilWindley (twitter.com/_/status/1046185124939743233)
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jacky.wtf moved /User:Jacky.wtf to /User:JackyAlcine
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jacky agh I want to be at that
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jacky going to be out of town
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jacky _and_ I'm missing HWC SF :(