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@t ↩️ FOAF was unnecessary reinvention of vCard, still is. #PortableContacts bad news, now zombie site https://indieweb.org/Portable_Contacts XFN still here, mostly rel=me; Mastodon added support. #vCard4 #hcard have most interop across devices apps sites: http://tantek.com/t4wk2 (twitter.com/_/status/1046928847239823361)
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tantek__ welcome [tmiller] !
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tantek__ *The* most important thing is to have a committed co-organizer that you can depend on to meet up with you, so at a minimum it is the two of you supporting and encouraging each other to improve your own IndieWeb sites/uses
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tantek__ E.g. one of the locals from IWC NYC.
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tantek__ next key thing is to find a good venue (that at least works for the two of you!)
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aaronpk I can vouch for that as someone who does not have a co-organizer and so the PDX meetup doesn't happen very often!
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tantek__ The SF meetup happens because I am stubborn 😂
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tantek yes that's an excellent idea
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aaronpk portland has http://calagator.org which is _the_ place to list tech related events, but I haven't heard of many cities that have something similar
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Loqi Free Code Camp PDX Hangout: Career Transition Edition!
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aaronpk but in any case, personal outreach gets better results
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aaronpk inviting people you know one by one :)
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tantek__ aaronpk did you see the tweet frm @CodeCampPDX?
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aaronpk i did, but the acct is suspended now?
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tantek whoa what
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aaronpk unless i typed that wrong
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@t This past Friday I led a session on #Undo @IndieWebCamp NYC. I’ve wanted Undo in my posting UI (like Gmail undo send) since I started @Falcon in 2009. Decided it’s time to open up all my design thinking. Session: https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC/undo Design: http://tantek.com/t4wk3 (twitter.com/_/status/1046936489496600576)
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[tmiller] Okay great
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aaronpk one of the organizers usually also posts the event on facebook in order to invite people there as well
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tantek__ New tactic: making myself post a positive post before AND after anything negative or critical, even if I'm being factual
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aaronpk you're welcome to create the event on your own account, but also we can post it to the indiewebcamp facebook page
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tantek__ hmm - never tried that - but it could work!
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tantek__ dougbeal - sorta excep that's usually in reference to a conversation with a single person
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tantek__ in this case, it's a new spin, in that the conversation is with my website as it were,
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tantek__ or it's the implied conversation someone has by reading my website
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tantek__ dougbeal, also I want the most recent thing (top of my site/feeds) to be something positive and constructive.
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dougbeal|mb1 tantek__: that seems like a good goal
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tantek__ this forces me to think of something (else likely) positive/constructive, as a "tax" when considering posting any kind of criticism
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tantek__ because I have to then post the positive thing shortly after
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@cswordpress Just finished listening to "This week in the #IndieWeb, audio edition". I enjoy these every week. https://martymcgui.re/2018/10/01/194452/ (twitter.com/_/status/1046943922629562368)
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@EddieHinkle ↩️ Definitely! It’s a great idea. In fact, a couple of us in the IndieWeb chat have actually done some brainstorming and two people have worked on some code for that stuff. (https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/10/01/26/reply/) (twitter.com/_/status/1046957434269503488)
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@martijnvdven ↩️ The idea of #indieweb is to help people reach their own online goals. Can you use Solid for it, then go for it! That’s how we “re-orient” the web around the individual again. Solid shares several #indieweb principles, so I’d consider its ideas to align: https://indieweb.org/principles (twitter.com/_/status/1047030354404630529)
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sknebel !rt http://twtr.io/1isqYsypZSQ
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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Zegnat !rt http://twtr.io/1isqYsypZSQ
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Loqi Thanks Zegnat and sknebel! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1047041958231924736
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@akyrho IndieWeb update : i just imported all my Swarm's checkin via https://ownyourswarm.p3k.io/ - https://cedric.io/kind/checkin/ - https://cedric.io/2018/10/02/1439/ (twitter.com/_/status/1047068853891678208)
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[jgmac1106] [tmiller] I want to improve the HWC and IWC toolkits, so happy to work with you on launching and being in New Haven I can shoot down to city sometimes...not co-organize...though both Jess Klein and Leigh said they would help
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] I didn't even like writing what I was wrote as it felt like strong criticism, trying to capture critiques in the open is hard, almost wich their was a secret indielogin where you had to use your emoji url from the webring to login to see some pages
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[jgmac1106] so looking through the wiki I can see how [tmiller] could get confused, how can we make organizing your first HWC an easier page to surface and use?
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[jgmac1106] are there any listed on the /event page
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[jgmac1106] ,...nope or organizers to contact with @t and [aaronpk] can you reach out and ask them to add even organizers and hotels to the page
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[jgmac1106] [tmiller] question, what page did you use to learn about organizing HWCs and how did you find it?
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[tmiller] Well I did a bit of searching for info [jgmac1106]
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[tmiller] I initially found the event page while trying to find info on whether a beginner with no experience could attend. I poked around there for a little before checking out the faq page.
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[jgmac1106] ....crap if the wiki UI leads to people needing to email me we have work to do
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[jgmac1106] I will reply once I get kids off to school
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[jgmac1106] me think links to how-to guide should be in wiki sidebar
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[jgmac1106] and that is the point, design for the first time user, let the veterans have to poke around
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[jgmac1106] ill be back in a bit, unless I am driving the kids and heading to office, 10 am latest
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sknebel aaronpk mentioned he's at the nhow, but I don't know if that's based on any recommendation
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[tmiller] Okay cool thanks guys I'll look into them
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GWG Still tempted to go to Berlin
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[jgmac1106] [tmiller] I can't find email, do you know where you sent it? I accept Twitter, Mastodon, LinkedIn mentions and of course webmentions
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[jgmac1106] @gwg you should try...fall back is I organize a sattelite event in New Haven
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GWG I'm tempted because of that vacation issue
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Zegnat Hm. I wonder how many people from the US need to sign up to Berlin before I figure it is enough and feel forced to also go.
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GWG Meeting people from Europe is what tempts me.
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GWG That and I could get there relatively cheap
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sknebel Zegnat: had the same thought right now :D
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Zegnat On the other hand, I might also be starting a new job november 1st, which makes it even harder to up-and-go
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Zegnat I’ll keep a close look at the guest list
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[schmarty] I’ll be there! My first time in Germany!
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GWG [schmarty]: Also tempting
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sknebel yeah, the job situation is making planning for me difficult too. at least I know enough people with couches there to not need to pre-book a hotel, which helps
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GWG [schmarty]: What made you decide to go?
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GWG jgmac1106, how many people would show up in New Haven?
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[jgmac1106] [tmiller] I did not get it. the email is jgregmcverry@gmail.com (personal), mcverryj1@southernct.edu (work) and greg@reviewtalentfeedback.com (company)_....no worries he entered email wrong in ticketing service and missed a bunch
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[jgmac1106] at least two, probably more, after the [aaronpk] talk the #compsci department wants to get involved in making IndieWeb tech
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[Rose] Yay! More Nürnberg people
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Loqi 😄
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[jgmac1106] well let's try to get you to Germany as well and make an #NHV satellite a fallback
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[jgmac1106] we do have a small travel fund, since you are planning to organize an HWC, which then makes you an IndieWeb organizer I think you should apply. Ping [aaronpk] when west coat wakes up
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aaronpk Yep that's how she got the flight :-)
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Zegnat travelfund++
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[jgmac1106] ohh Awesome!!! I think school will sponsor you
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dougbeal|mb1 Nürnberg /Leaders?
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[jgmac1106] Berlin is next ?Organizers meeting
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[jgmac1106] [tmiller] looks like there is not a room sharing section on /Berlin either, if someone adds a ===Hotel==== section feel free to add a ==== room share ===== section
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dougbeal|mb1 When is next Organizers
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Loqi what
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dougbeal|mb1 When is next iwc
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/next-iwc
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Zegnat NUE IWC is in the Nürnberg Digital Festival, so I am not sure all the organisers will actually be around the day before to do an organisers meetup. Aiming for one in Berlin makes sense, especially if more organisers are making it to that one.
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dougbeal|mb1 Time difference looks iffy
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@jgmac1106 After @Baha_Mali’s #IndieWeb NYC keynote good intentions & realities  dropping  words dogfooding and self-dogfooding from my vocab. 50% of the world’s population been fighting  word “bitches.” Don’t want to use metaphor of dogs  #unboundeq (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7603-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1047117784109453313)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I learned in @Baha_Mali’s talk that referring to someone as a dog in many Muslim cultures considered a major insult. I want #IndieWeb to expand beyond the global north and reach everywhere. Words matter. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7605-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1047118557333610497)
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Zegnat aaronpk, was that spam filter taking out dougbeal’s text? Seemed random
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aaronpk yes this is what i discovered yesterday
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aaronpk https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2018-10-01#t1538437534598600
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Loqi [aaronpk] hmm just realized why i was surprised that some of the bots were getting kicked when I didn't think the text matched a kick rule
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aaronpk that rule also applies to whether Loqi bridges a line to slack+logs
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Zegnat Ooh. Interesting. So it was something that didn’t get him kicked, but still something that kept him out of slack+logs? Huh
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aaronpk he didn't get kicked cause he's been here long enough. Loqi will only kick people based on that rule if they joined in the last 60 seconds
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aaronpk irc spam is the worst. i hope this stops soon.
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Zegnat aaronpk, yeah, it is really frustrating for every channel that isn’t strictly human-moderated or invite-only :(
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dougbeal|mb1 I need to move forward on ZNC
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Zegnat For Berlin-visiting folks my dad just mentioned https://www.motel-one.com/ to me as a possible hotel option. Aparently their formula is to do the bare essentials well, and nothing else, to keep prices in a nice range. No personal experience but according to him they are great for work travel / events when you do not expect to spent the majority of your time at the hotel.
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[dougbeal] I want to try and grab a locality domain, Indieweb.seattle.us maybe? Esp. if we are going to rebrand / rename Hwc
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[dougbeal] Seattle.wa.us rather
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[dougbeal] Also [jgmac1106] gave me a good idea that I should look for student orgs and talk to UW CS
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@akyrho Got an IndieWeb site? Want to interact with Mastodon, Hubzilla, and the rest of the fediverse? Bridgy Fed is for you (https://cedric.io/2018/10/02/got-an-indieweb-site-want-to-interact-with-mastodon-hubzilla-and-the-rest-of-the-fediverse-bridgy-fed-is-for-you/) (twitter.com/_/status/1047138422312357889)
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skippy i was kicked from indieweb-wordpress by loqi.
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skippy i was kicked from indieweb-wordpress by loqi.
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk what did you say?
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skippy asked about state of indieweb on WP. i rejoined and asked, and it seems to have taken?
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aaronpk oh the same thing you repeated? i think it was too long
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aaronpk Loqi is very sensitive the first 30 seconds after joining
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skippy ah, i see.
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skippy ok. thanks!
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aaronpk that message wouldn't have made it through anyway cause you have to wait for 30 seconds to get +v
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skippy fair.
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aaronpk hmm you have a hostname mask, i wonder if i can use that to disable all the spam triggers
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skippy so the message i posted DID go through?
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skippy (the second time)
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dougbeal|mb1 yep
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skippy groovy. many thanks.
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skippy do spammers get cloaks? is a cloak a decent indicator of "not spammer" status?
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aaronpk oh yeah that's what it's called
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aaronpk i just turned on logging that 10 minutes ago
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aaronpk so in a few hours i'll have some data
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Zegnat Didn’t we establish spammers with years old registered names? If cloaks stick to the registered name, there may be spammers with cloaks.
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skippy http://freenode.net/kb/answer/cloaks
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skippy i'm on /chat-names. is that just one element of not-spammer checking? (obviously a dedicated spammer could add themselves to chat-names, but that seems extreme for most)
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aaronpk hm yeah that should have stopped it
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Zegnat Such a dedicated spammer will probably not be this bot wave. Might be someone personally targetting us in that case, but that should be handled separately (and hopefully never happens)
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Zegnat Looks like cloaks are registration dependent. So if any of those registered user spam bots has a cloak, that metric is not going to help. Whether any of those have cloaks is unknown, of course
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aaronpk if i had approached this spam protection from the beginning with the plan to build out what we've got right now, it would have been built a lot better
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aaronpk but i didn't expect the spam to last this long
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aaronpk hmm your first message did actually get through to slack and the logs, which indicates my "known user" matching is working for that part of the system, so i need to figure out why the part that kicks people didn't recognize that
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aaronpk hm i may have found a rogue kick script
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dougbeal|mb1 rogue-kick-script--
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Loqi rogue-kick-script has -1 karma over the last year
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aaronpk okay switched things up a bit
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aaronpk wow this has been going on for 2+ months
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jeremycherfas !tell zegnat I stayed in a Motel One in Vienna and it was excellent.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[schmarty] gwg: i decided to go to IWC Berlin after combined nudging from [tantek] [aaronpk] and [tmiller], as well as my partner :}
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[tantek] schmarty++ yes!!!
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aaronpk wooo
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[schmarty] tantek: i've got flights and hotels all books so it's happening!
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[schmarty] *booked
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aaronpk no loqi!!
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aaronpk :sigh:
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jeremycherfas Schmarty++
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[schmarty] haha oh no what did loqi do?\
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aaronpk kicked the slack bot gateway for tmiller
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[dougbeal] lol?
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aaronpk srsly Loqi
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, think Motel One is recommendable for Berlin too, possibly?
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Loqi Zegnat: jeremycherfas left you a message 5 minutes ago: I stayed in a Motel One in Vienna and it was excellent.
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aaronpk just made a section! https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin#Travel_and_Lodging
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[schmarty] [tmiller] i think there have been room-sharing sections on the wiki before, so no reason not to have one for Berlin!
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[schmarty] aaronpk++
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[tmiller] Thanks!!
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@drupal8modules New #alpha version released for #drupal8 #module indieweb (8.x-1.0-alpha14). More info: https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1047149293919002625)
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@pfefferle Ist jemand an einem "Homebrew Website Club" in #Karlsruhe interessiert? https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/1047151056692633602)
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aaronpk good bot
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@jkphl A Homebrew Website Club in Karlsruhe — how great would be that? Get in touch with Matthias! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1047153717626261504)
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@jgmac1106 Reading  post from @randfish just reminds me why we #IndieWeb, we do not need the silos or some fancy pants start up from an Ivy League school to save the web. We all just need our own domains and #BeYourOwnSocialNetwork https://sparktoro.com/blog/the-powerhouses-of-the-internet-are-turning-hostile-to-websites/ (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7612-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1047156719409872896)
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aaronpk [schmarty]: let's coordinate on the remote participation hardware. i really want to put together a simple recipe for this, even if it costs $1000 for everything we need.
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jgmac1106 speaking of which I have a blue jean session recorded…where should I put the file?
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jgmac1106 long [schmarty] and seeing how easy @aaronpk’s set up I wonder if we can have a mediakit that ships out to each camp ahead of event
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jgmac1106 meant along those line
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aaronpk yeah that's kinda what i'm thinking
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aaronpk for the main room it was just an iphone and that jabra mic, which did wonders. i have a good monopod i normally use for the iphone too. that's under $200 total.
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[schmarty] i was very pleased with the result of the iphone + jabra mic. we could probably do it with an ipod, too, to make it even cheaper.
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jgmac1106 ok you can do what I do and bring 10k worth of equipment and have nove of it work
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aaronpk [schmarty]: that iphone was $100 used :)
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jgmac1106 ……was wondering what to use his old FLIP video recorder for
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[schmarty] daaaaaaaaang
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jgmac1106 and now I am going to broadcast all events live on HAM as welll…..
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aaronpk the camera is definitely better than the ipod touch, although not miles better
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[schmarty] my chromebook setup feels ridiculously bulky now compared to the iphone + jabra + tripod.
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aaronpk two-way needs something different tho
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[eddie] As a remote attendee, the camera did work very well. There was no noticeable difference between it and previous IndieWebCamps
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[schmarty] although it can in theory also be used to hear from folks on hangouts for 2-way.
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aaronpk but i think we can do something similar with an ipad
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aaronpk i'm gonna try out an ipad + wide angle lens + gooseneck stand and run hangouts on it
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jgmac1106 if we mix video post production to include remote attendees, and try to have one room as two way
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aaronpk + jabra. my theory is having the ipad closer to the table will be better for remote participation
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jgmac1106 post-production--
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aaronpk but i do think it's worth treating the main room intro/demo streaming separately from breakout room with 2-way participation since the needs are quite different
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jgmac1106 I am also thinking, and believe some in Germany may want it, that a room with no recording or live streaming should be made available
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jgmac1106 At risk of gross generalization I find German allies to be more privacy centered around photo and video
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[schmarty] chromebook adds the possibility of a machine to screenshare to capture demos, both local and remote.
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[schmarty] i guess ipad can do remote demos just fine.
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jgmac1106 yeah, I should have recorded my desktop when we did the demos or used HoA
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aaronpk even with the ipad we need a computer to start the hangouts-on-air-to-youtube link
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[schmarty] oh that is interesting.
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aaronpk i haven't tested whether that computer needs to be active on the hangout the whole time
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jgmac1106 Marty I got issues about travel and security as well, few emails, I originally put on the wiki but deleted since email entails a sens of privacy
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jgmac1106 @aaronpk we have run remote conferences on HoA all day long, just need to set display to no sleep
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jgmac1106 okay back to work, enjoy your day all
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aaronpk [schmarty]: the other thing i was thinking was using something like zoom.us which gives a little more control over how multiple videos or screen shares are displayed and recorded. that can still work on a chromebook or ipad as well
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jeremycherfas I cannot recommend it specifically, but I was impressed with it in Vienna.
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aaronpk the irritating part of google hangouts is it requires a google account to join, whereas most of the remote meeting software lets you join without making an account
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[schmarty] i think as long as one of the organizers has a paid zoom account that should work well.
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aaronpk i was even thinking about budgeting for that for an indieweb account
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[schmarty] we might also want to document some of the options
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jeremycherfas As a remote participant, I would be delighted if there were a way to cut between showing the speaker and showing the presentation, during, not post.
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[schmarty] like bare minimum: iphone+table mic straight to youtube live, with remote participation via chat
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jeremycherfas Now I want to go to Berlin as well as Nue.
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aaronpk [schmarty]: https://indieweb.org/remote_participation#IndieWebCamp_NYC_2018
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[schmarty] 🎉
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aaronpk i want to keep iterating there
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jgmac1106 ohh yeah HoA is YouTube Live now isn’t it?
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aaronpk not exactly
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jacky the woes of having too many cooks
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jacky 3 products that do the same thing but not quite
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aaronpk [schmarty]: could you document the process you used for hangouts on air on that page?
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jgmac1106 Do you still have to install all the codecs and encoders if you want HoA to go to YouTube Live?
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aaronpk that's why i wanted him to document it on the wiki :)
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jgmac1106 ha ha , and I close Slack to get to work but find IRC open, bye all
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[schmarty] zegnat++ !
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[schmarty] aww i thought that was for Berlin for a moment. i don't feel bad about giving you karma.
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aaronpk i'm pretty sure i'm gonna bring my multicam rig to nurnberg and berlin since it fits in my backpack, and that'll let us capture the presenter's screen and switch between that and the camera on the broadcast
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Zegnat [schmarty], if I do Berlin, that is going to be super short notice, as I may be starting a new job at around the same time :/ And the time & money investment of 2 trips within a month time is straining by itself.
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Zegnat Although with all you lot signing up for Berlin, who knows, I might go for it any way
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aaronpk or, put that towards your Summit travel next year :D
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Zegnat I can probably do the entire Berlin trip for just the single-way flight for PDX, hahaha
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Loqi nice
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Zegnat *for the cost of
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sknebel also severely less annoying border crossings in the way :D
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Zegnat Oh I don’t know. Last time was coming from Berlin and I got stuck for approx 2 hours at the Swedish border ;)
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sknebel right, I keep forgetting that some forms of transport are worse than others
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@martijnvdven Finally officially signed-up for the Nürnberg #IndieWebCamp during #nuedigital. Looking forward to see old friends, meet the people behind screen names, and make new friends! There are still some tickets left! (twitter.com/_/status/1047170710492393473)
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dougbeal eddie: this was my first remote IWC, have you ever been able to read slides/webpages remotely?
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[eddie] Hmmm occasionally at the Summit maybe
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[eddie] but standard IWC I don't *think* so
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aaronpk we had the fancy gear at the summit so the slides were piped in to the stream https://youtu.be/HG8-odo3Vn8?t=10m55s
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aaronpk oh and at baltimore too
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dougbeal I was thinking a bookmarklet that posted current link to etherpad would help a lot
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dougbeal etherpad supports micropub, right? ;)
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dougbeal or maybe >;)
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dougbeal Was anyone on talky? Can you keep it up while HoA as well?
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[jgmac1106] I think each remote room should have two feeds one on the screen and one on the room
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@xtof_party @carine_coulm je t'invite sur http://indieweb.me pour tester le design de #flow, régulation d'allure et papeterie. Que dirais-tu du pseudo @carine ? Merci encore pour l'air https://indieweb.me/@xtof (twitter.com/_/status/1047184977501274113)
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[schmarty] neat, a new HWC! Sarah, are you in the chat?
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[schmarty] hmm. does anyone know sarah-pugachev.com, who added the Norman (Oklahoma?) HWC to the Oct 3 on /Events ?
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[schmarty] the meetup needs details on /events/2018-10-03-homebrew-website-club as well.
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@kickscondor Why is anyone upset with Facebook or Twitter? The keepers of the Web are all of us—the individuals. We built it. And still can. Does no one feel a pang of remorse at abandoning their blogs and home pages? And of not showing the newbs where to safely migrate? (Indieweb, for one.) (twitter.com/_/status/1047208246870781952)
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@kickscondor You may now post anonymous comments via http://commentpara.de. For example, the link at the bottom of Weird Indieweb Idea of the Day: Guestbooks. (twitter.com/_/status/1047208266252603392)
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@kickscondor Weird Indieweb Idea of the Day: Guestbooks: https://www.kickscondor.com/2018/08/23/weird-indieweb-idea-of-the-day-guestbooks/ (twitter.com/_/status/1047208284262993921)
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dougbeal jgmac1106: maybe even an audio only feed as well, for low bandwidth situtations?
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@HeNeArXn @sclayton29 Hi! To add a location to the Homebrew Website Club, you need to add an entry to the page for the specific date manually. I've done it for Norman tomorrow by copying it from September: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-10-03-homebrew-website-club#Norman.2C_OK (twitter.com/_/status/1047210587271380992)
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Zegnat dougbeal as long as we stream YouTube low bandwidth is very doable, in my experience.
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Zegnat The real struggle are these WebRTC conference platforms that don't do any reencoding of anything...
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sknebel DIY streaming would be an interesting experiment, but the list of things in that category is loooong
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aaronpk i set up one-way DIY streaming a while back but i'm not sure if it's still running
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aaronpk it was quite a process
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aaronpk 2 years ago lol https://aaronparecki.com/2016/11/19/15/self-hosted-facebook-live
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Creating a Self-Hosted Alternative to Facebook Live using Nginx and Micropub
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sknebel "Gitcoin 💰Use your Javascript skills to grow Open Source, while getting paid."
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gRegorLove [schmarty], Norman OK is first Wednesday of the month I believe. I think there's a link to the university calendar on the August event.
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gRegorLove I don't think Sarah's been in chat. Logan has logged in to the wiki
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gRegorLove https://libraries.ou.edu/calendar-node-field-event-date/month
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gRegorLove Did they connect remotely with IWC NYC btw?
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aaronpk we didn't think so, but weren't sure, because they weren't in the chat
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@schmarty Had an amazing time at @indiewebcamp NYC over the weekend. As ever, I left with my brain bubbling wtih new (and returning) ideas of things to work on. So, I tried to write 'em down! https://martymcgui.re/2018/10/02/155150/ (twitter.com/_/status/1047214824470528000)
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[schmarty] sknebel++ for adding Norman OK HWC details
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sknebel reading that post, is monstr.space supposed to have content already?
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aaronpk nope
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sknebel ok
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[schmarty] sorry for the spoiler
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aaronpk i knew i wasn't going to be able to finish in time so i switched to do the color background thing instead
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sknebel I saw *soemthing* about it while watching the demos
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aaronpk so at least i got one thing done :)
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aaronpk i mentioned it really briefly in the demos, and was showing my dev copy
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@HeNeArXn Bed and trains booked: I'm going to @IndieWebCampDE Nürnberg! (will be there the days before too) (twitter.com/_/status/1047217756381368325)
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@schmarty Looking forward to another Homebrew Website Club Baltimore, tomorrow! It’s an @indiewebcamp meetup! Come learn some ways to free your content and your social sharing from the social networking silos! (twitter.com/_/status/1047222938947260416)
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "other thisg that is as cool as hacking" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "other thisg that is as cool as hacking is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@GetSource ↩️ Thanks so much Jonathan! Likewise -- was a blast working with you! I would love for WordPress to be easier to integrate with IndieWeb! (twitter.com/_/status/1047238568244965376)
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@xtof_party #ParisCarnet vs Nomade des Mers. y'aura d'autres pariscarnets... https://indieweb.me/@xtof/100828386330487673 https://t.co/uwDgTGO67A (twitter.com/_/status/1047252497272922113)
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