#meta 2018-10-01

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[tantek] What was coral cdn
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "coral cdn" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "coral cdn is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronparecki.com edited /remote_participation (+1443) "some notes from IWC NYC streaming/remote" (view diff)
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aaronpk maybe that should have gone on the NYC page
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aaronpk we need a post-mortem section/page to complement the planning page
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[tantek] Something like that. Maybe “next-time” instead though? Have always disliked the post-mortem analogy as it’s an inaccurate fit and feels like a dead end process-wise (pun intended)
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[tantek] I guess metaphor
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aaronpk yeah I was just thinking about how weird of a term that is to use for events
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aaronpk "next time" doesn't quite capture it though. it's specifically to document things about the past event that worked or didn't work, not to turn those into suggestions.
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aaronpk turning those into suggestions for next time is the second-order task after documenting what worked and didn't work
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@jackyalcine ↩️ I'd lean on people using domains as their contact info with MicroFormats helping that out. Using IndieWeb / IndieAuth, could "allow" people to see more on a person-to-person basis. (twitter.com/_/status/1046611418923991040)
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[Rose] "Reflection"?
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jeremycherfas “Learnings” is fashionable in certain circles, and an abomination
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[eddie] There is always the standard “After Action Review” from government/military circles. haha at least nothin is dead
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[eddie] That is true
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[kevinmarks] post partum is a better metaphor
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[kevinmarks] after party
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jeremycherfas It excludes half the population.
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[kevinmarks] or "post festum"
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[kevinmarks] "post symposium"
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[kevinmarks] I don't think latin has camp in our sense
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jeremycherfas Post festum is fun
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jeremycherfas I'll bet it does. Thinking back to all that Gallic Wars stuff. And places like Chester. In fact, isn't it castro? Castrum?
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[kevinmarks] that's more of a fortified encampment
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jeremycherfas And IWC is anything but fortified? People were turned away by gatekeepers.
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[jgmac1106] reflections?
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jazkarB although i get now why you were working with the search register
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[schmarty] Reflection feels fine. i'd also suggest "Review".
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Zegnat Super interesting stuff captured by sgreger: https://sebastiangreger.net/2018/09/ixda-berlin-inclusion-and-diversity-first-hand/ I especially like the highlight on how “most barriers are unintentional”. [jgmac1106]
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Loqi 25 September 2018 marked the first World Interaction Design Day, running under the global theme of “Diversity and Inclusion in Design”. The Berlin IxDA chapter arranged an inspiring event, inviting two speakers who examine these issues both perso...
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@EatPodcast ↩️ @nivertech Have you taken a look at http://indieweb.org? There are people doing lots more than hinting. (twitter.com/_/status/1046788054005026818)
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aaronpk hmm looks like I need to adapt Loqi's anti-spam again
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aaronpk in a few cases, the spammers are sending messages over a period of >30 seconds so a few are getting through after they get +v
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Zegnat tantek__: re getting scolded by Loqi in #indieweb: have you linked the username tantek__ to the username tantek? ChanServ should be giving you +v even before Loqi right when you join the channel if you are authenticated.
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tantek__ linked the username where?
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Zegnat You can ask ChanServ to link a username to one you have registered, so you own both and both are treated as equal
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Zegnat I mean NickServ, not ChanServ
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Zegnat While using the name tantek__ do:
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Zegnat 2. /msg NickServ GROUP
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Zegnat 1. /msg NickServ IDENTIFY tantek yoursupersecretpassword
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Zegnat Then tantek__ gets equal rights as tantek without underscores
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Zegnat should probably add this to /IRC as well
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aaronpk +1
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tantek__ zegnat you misunderstand, the whole point of using __ is to not bother with identifying via the freenode web interface
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Zegnat Ah, well, in that case Loqi will continue to scold you, I guess, haha
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tantek__ no I just have to remember to wait 30s
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tantek__ I like Reflection
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tantek__ reflection++
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Loqi reflection has 1 karma over the last year
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aaronpk yeah. I refuse to use the word "Learnings" lol. it sounds so ridiculous.
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tantek__ I thought it but didn't suggest it 😂 and in particular it is ambiguous, because we learn all sorts of things at indiewebcamps :)
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Zegnat learned to empty caches before doing live demos
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aaronpk learned to actually finish updating his website software before demos instead of just half updating
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tantek__ is still reflecting on how he spent his time and how he could have spent it better
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tantek__ what is 2018/NYC/Reflections?
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[jgmac1106] [schmarty] its almost like we need a -meta page for each IWC instead of just planning page it would be something along the lines of before, during, after, like, planning, updates? changes needed lin situ (write an email to say sorry about security sending you away) reflections
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]: there is enough *just* to get planning right that it needs its own page
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aaronpk that's a great idea
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tantek__ and it is worth *separately* documenting reflections
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aaronpk we've had a page for the intro session a few times, so that could be expanded to not just the introductions but to also include the meta run-of-show stuff
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@cswordpress I'm working on switching my site to the #indieweb fork of the twentysixteen theme, and I found a really thorough post by @abrightclearweb on the design and how to customize it. https://www.abrightclearweb.com/the-wordpress-twenty-sixteen-theme-good-bad-or-ugly/ (twitter.com/_/status/1046795681145520128)
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tantek__ [jgmac1106]: to be blunt, we also need enough attention-span to actually look for / use / update any such page (whether -meta, planning, or whatever). A new page won't solve that problem
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tantek__ does what is not work for "/" pages?
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aaronpk huh I thought it did
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Zegnat What is WordPress/Security?
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aaronpk this is the page I was thinking of https://indieweb.org/2018/Introductions
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Zegnat Looks like that is a no on slashes in what is
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tantek__ that kinda defeats the purpose for a lot of pages then
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aaronpk what is Wordpress/Security?
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Loqi One of the most important things for new users to do is to properly secure their Wordpress installation https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Security
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tantek__ yay!
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tantek__ what is 2018/NYC/Reflections
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "2018/NYC/Reflections" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "2018/NYC/Reflections is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Loqi 😃
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aaronpk I think just the "what is" hook was ignoring slashes, i'm hoping the rest of the code deals with it appropriately already
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tantek__ 2018/NYC/Reflections is a page for documenting what went well during [[2018/NYC|IndieWebCamp NYC 2018]], and what could be improved.
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Loqi ok
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[jgmac1106] will add to reflection page, this means for each IWC we will end up three pages a /planning https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC/Planning an event https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC/Planning and a reflection https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC/reflection I can dig that
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@lightcoin Important to use @indiewebcamp POSSE tactics - posting on our own site and syndicating elsewhere. This keeps our content under our control even if other platforms decide to "moderate". (twitter.com/_/status/1046811549942382592)
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@rhiaro ↩️ It was a great combination of things, some personal, some institutional. I don't have any strong opinions on the tech at all, let alone have a vision, hence I worked with/on solid, indieweb stuff, ActivityPub, and did my best to bridge them. Apparently I just had finite energy.. (twitter.com/_/status/1046815447901978624)
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[tantek] Wow that thread
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jgmac1106 want to go add the the /NYC/Reflections but just want to write “Just go back to Dead Rabbit, get an Irish Coffee, and all will be well next year as well”
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@jgmac1106 Hard to believe the but most important outcome of #IndieWebCamp NYC is my next goal to study and get a HAM radio license. (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7580-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1046819085273747461)
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@jgmac1106 Webmention Badges Discussion Across Networks After #IndieWebCamp NYC Session: http://jgregorymcverry.com/webmention-badges-discussion-across-networks-after-indiewebcamp-nyc-session/ https://t.co/7xFkmCXS9Q (twitter.com/_/status/1046822341542596608)
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[schmarty] tantek: good call. not enough cities to need extra geographic breakdowns. :}
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@cswordpress Just a quick test to see if publishing to this Twitter account using my own website works correctly. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1046833346226081792)
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@jgmac1106 It does come down to preference. i have mine set to include link back to the url of the post because…well…#indieweb…doesn’t seem to mess the character count on Twitter or Mastodon. I want people to know I tweet and toot from my own domain and they… http://jgregorymcverry.com/7589-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1046837965455065089)
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@manton2 Homebrew Website Club is this Wednesday, 6:30pm at Mozart’s Coffee. If the weather’s nice we’ll meet outside. I’m catching up on videos from IndieWebCamp NYC so I can summarize that event for the Austin group. (twitter.com/_/status/1046840366983512064)
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tantek__ awesome Austin too!
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tantek__ [kiai]: oh yeah the Internet Archive annual party - I had tickets last year but didn't go
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tantek__ I was thinking of the dweb meetup they're doing next week I think
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tantek__ https://www.eventbrite.com/e/dweb-sf-meet-up-tickets-50801629040
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tantek__ manton++ for HWC Austin this week! Is the goal first Wednesday of the month?
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tantek !rt https://twitter.com/lightcoin/status/1046811549942382592
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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aaronpk !rt https://twitter.com/lightcoin/status/1046811549942382592
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Loqi Thanks aaronpk and tantek! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1046847036891398144
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tantek__ sidenote: @lightcoin was the moderator (and I think curator?) for the lightning talks at the DWeb Summit this August, where I gave a lightning talk on the IndieWeb.
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aaronpk ah nice
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tantek__ has anyone written an IWC NYC blog post yet?
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tantek__ I'm digging through photos to figure out what else to upload
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[jgmac1106] I am writing mine now, I just did the one on my session
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@schmarty Two weeks late but better than never! Pronoun buttons, a class on IndieWeb, and a Google takeover of the web. It's your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for September 8th - 14th, 2018. https://martymcgui.re/2018/10/01/172824/ (twitter.com/_/status/1046875366869147648)
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@swentel New release for Indigenous includes saving notes, articles and replies as draft so you can publish them later! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1046875677251842048)
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aaronpk ooo
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aaronpk swentel++
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tantek__ swentel++ amazing
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Loqi swentel has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (21 in all channels)
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swentel need to release another update though, I have a stupid crash ugh :/
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Loqi swentel: [eddie] left you a message 3 days, 1 hour ago: I'm thinking about proposing an IndieWeb session at a semi-local Drupal Camp. Have you done a talk at a Drupal Camp on the IndieWeb since you've been working on this stuff?
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swentel oh well :)
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swentel Loqi, tell [eddie] not yet, but soon (if all goes well around end november)
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swentel aah
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swentel !tell [eddie] not yet, but soon (if all goes well around end november)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek__ swentel !tell [eddie] something something
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tantek__ yes that :)
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aaronpk i should really make loqi understand that syntax too tho
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tantek__ that would be hilarious
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Loqi it is probable
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[jgmac1106] on another note, I think encouraging the lower level IndieWeb meetup is going to be a good thing...had a few folks already suggest they would do one, but didn't want to try to set up and mantain a club
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swentel I'm to used to the drupal bot
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tantek__ s/lower level/entry level
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aaronpk interesting the additional admin overhead association with the word "club"
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tantek__ vs "meetup"?
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[jgmac1106] yes lower level probably not the best word choice, but Tiara and Leigh were both excited to start there, have someone who wants to do a meetup in Providence with jmac....before trying to launch a club
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tantek__ club implies membership which there is not
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[jgmac1106] meetup=one off, just show up, club=on going, members, recruitement, budgets, etc
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aaronpk yeah, a "meetup" can happen just once, but with "club" there's impiled membership and regularity
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aaronpk another good reason to drop the word club then
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tantek__ we did have some HWC "popups" in some cities
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tantek__ perhaps the reference to "Homebrew Computer Club" has outlived its cleverness/usefulness and is worthy of being dropped
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[jgmac1106] ...or just keep club in that second column, meetup, HWC, IWC
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tantek__ yes that's a good transition
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@calum_ryan Support and contribute to open source it's #Hacktoberfest nudge.. https://github.com/calumryan/indieweb-guides/issues/1 (https://calumryan.com/note/1921) (twitter.com/_/status/1046878193389584384)
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tantek__ wat: Error creating thumbnail: /usr/bin/timeout: the monitored command dumped core /web/sites/indieweb.org/public/wiki/includes/limit.sh: line 101: 17132 Aborted /usr/bin/timeout $MW_WALL_CLOCK_LIMIT /bin/bash -c "$1" 3>&- Error code: 134
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aaronpk yikes
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aaronpk try again?
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tantek__ which part? the image page itself looks fine: https://indieweb.org/File:2018-271-iwc-nyc-sessions-3.jpg
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aaronpk oh weird
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tantek__ only the [[File:2018-271-iwc-nyc-sessions-3.jpg]] is causing the error upon viewing
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tantek__ Hey [schmarty] - TWITIWAE sponsored Friday and Saturday coffee right?
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tantek__ I feel that should be documented on https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC#Meal_Sponsors :)
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tantek__ alright I've uploaded the few group-like photos I happened to take - should have taken more - like in each session and day 2 too
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tantek__ does anyone have any day 2 photos?
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[schmarty] tantek++ for wiki floating
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tantek__ Those of you writing blog posts - feel free to use any of the photos I uploaded if they help at all!
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aaronpk tantek__: loqi has been doing pretty well so far with those, because most of the time the messages come in the first 30 seconds still, and also the spammers are reusing phrases, so the second time a spammer uses it they'll be kicked instantly
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tantek__ interesting
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aaronpk the other pattern i am considering adding is someone sending repeated messages within the first 60 seconds of joining, maybe 3 or 4 will be considered spam
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aaronpk it's polite to not overwhelm a channel with messages right after joining anyway
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aaronpk i could also increase the 30-second window to 60 seconds but that feels too long
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aaronpk too long for legit users
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tantek__ agreed
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@t Good times @IndieWebCamp NYC! Huge thanks to host @PaceUniversity & organizers @jgmac1106 @schmarty @dshanske! Photos etc: https://indieweb.org/2018/NYC Session notes posted: #undo #readers #notifications #learntobuild #dataportability #buildingblocks ... http://tantek.com/t4wk1 (twitter.com/_/status/1046900882472939521)
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tantek__ summary note posted, will wait for videos to post again. got lots to say!
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dougbeal Anyone have a use for Badges session capture with no audio? :)
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tantek__ ^^^ IWC NYC participants please feel free to +1 / disagree and add your own thoughts to /2018/NYC/Reflections while the memories/feels are fresh!
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aaronpk hmm just realized why i was surprised that some of the bots were getting kicked when I didn't think the text matched a kick rule
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aaronpk turns out i was counting spaces in char counts when I thought I wasn't
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aaronpk so an initial message more than some length will get you kicked pretty much no matter what
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aaronpk which is not what I intended, but apparently has been working well anyway
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tantek__ huh
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@schmarty Another late one but a great one. Mastodon adds rel-me, geocaching with WordPress, and Path ends their incredible journey. It's your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for September 15th - 21st, 2018. https://martymcgui.re/2018/10/01/194452/ (twitter.com/_/status/1046909525926842368)
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tantek__ last day to download Path app AFAIK
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jacky thanks for reminding me
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tantek__ whoa it still has my prefs from when I deleted it
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tantek__ and a "Sorry, you can't create a new account right now." message on the launch screen
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tantek__ lol still trying to get a phone number from me