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gRegorLove [chrisaldrich], [jgmac1106], GWG and anyone else: want to have a vHWC next time? 2018-10-17
# gRegorLove I'm happy to "organize" this one
# gRegorLove Since that's basically an indie event and wiki update :)
# gRegorLove Not sure I understand.
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# gRegorLove Same thing we do every HWC ... try to take over the web!
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[jgmac1106] @gwg I am not sure that was the conclusion
# gRegorLove I heard some talk about possible rebranding, though I think that was for in-person ones.
# [jgmac1106] I think the conclusion was that if lowering barriers to entry is the goal encouraging IndieWeb meet ups as a step before an HWC, or an IWC makes sense
# gRegorLove e.g. "IndieWeb Meetup"
# [jgmac1106] What is IndieWeb Meetup?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb Meetup" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IndieWeb Meetup is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# gRegorLove Do we have recordings for /2018/Organizers?
# gRegorLove I should listen to some of that since I was only half-listening that day
# [jgmac1106] IndieWeb Meetups are local events, usually not reoccurring, where people can gather to learn more about the IndieWeb community.
# gRegorLove try again, not plural
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tantek__ gRegorLove++ for https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2018-10-04/1538614357134000 💓🧠
# [jgmac1106] third Pinky and the Brain reference today
# [jgmac1106] IndieWeb Meetup is a local event, usually not reoccurring, where people can gather to learn more about the IndieWeb community.
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# gRegorLove IndieWeb Meetup << Homebrew Website Club
# Loqi ok, I added "[[Homebrew Website Club]]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /IndieWeb_Meetup https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=52476&oldid=52475
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# gRegorLove Hm, not reoccurring?
# [jgmac1106] yeah could be why I went with the qualifier of usually, once you start having regular sessions become HWC
# [jgmac1106] do we need to add the emphasis is more on conversation than code?
# [jgmac1106] need a new post type missed-flights to track planes Jacky misses
# [jgmac1106] nope, don't pass go, do not collect $200 dollars, go straight to airport
# gRegorLove Do we need an actual /bitcoin dfn (not a snarkinition), or just delete the page?
# gRegorLove oh nvm, it has more contents than I thought
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@t At Homebrew Website Club @MozSF, just implemented a 10 minute delay on my Atom feed, as part of implementing an undo strategy per https://indieweb.org/undo.
Let’s see if it works (with this post).
http://tantek.com/t4wn1 (twitter.com/_/status/1047662880064262144)
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@mappinings Homebrew Website Club Meetup #thingstodo #Austin #movementsandpolitics #today https://www.mappinings.com/texas/austin/78703/events/homebrew-website-club-meetup?eventLocationGuid=482ec55c-8834-4657-89fb-b8216325f9ff (twitter.com/_/status/1047668652445597697)
# gRegorLove I've seen a handful of indieweb people list bitcoin wallet addresses on their sites, but I guess none have documented on the wiki.
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tantek.com edited /tombstone (+56) "link to deleted brainstorming since there's plenty there" (view diff)
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AngeloGladding gregorlove same to an extent with PGP keys -- and they both suffer from similar problems of underimplementation
# Loqi AngeloGladding: Zegnat left you a message 3 weeks, 5 days ago: See https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat_Channels for what the channels are supposed to be about. If you think the IRC topic of this channel can be updated to better reflect it, chime in! :D
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@jgmac1106 I just added Benjamin Esham to the #IndieWeb section of my follow page at https://jgregorymcverry.com/following #BeYourownSocialNetwork (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7649-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1047678024068616193)
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@jackyalcine And we out. Time to hack on some client and #indieweb stuff. (@ Gate A11 in San Francisco, CA) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/iLklpR4YMwY (twitter.com/_/status/1047712724862554113)
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[kevinmarks] South Bay HWC again? Nice
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# jgregorymcverry.com edited /Known (+178) "/* Releases */ adding ifno about where to update" (view diff)
# @jgmac1106 @benwerd @mapkyca a lot of folks asking about installing Known. Used to send them to Marcus’s page of current builds or @cleverdevil’s repo. Did notice updates to main Known GitHub repo. Is the info here correct: https://indieweb.org/Known#Releases? (http://jgregorymcverry.com/7657-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1047805209571983361)
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# [jgmac1106] [tmiller] if your goal is to get the HWC up before Germany to go to /organizers meeting, don't stress yourself or mess up last year of program. I think you will pull it off for sure, but I am sure you would be welcome to attend the /organizers meeting if you are actively organizing HWC
# [tmiller] I didn't even know about the organizers meeting that's how new I am I'm still checking out the wiki and stuff. But it's more of me being so interested that I want to do it sooner than later
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@akyrho Just in case you want to jump into the #indieweb movement, i recommend going to irc://freenode.net/#indieweb-wordpress – The community is very kind and helpful towards newcomers (https://cedric.io/2018/10/04/1504/) (twitter.com/_/status/1047842127898718208)
# [jgmac1106] awesome [tmiller], keep me informed. Will do my best. I have cub scouts on Tuesdays, coach soccer on Wed and Sat morning
# [jgmac1106] Hey had thought as I wanted to help [tmiller] plan her HWC, I wondered if I should give out the mailing list from tix, even if to another organizer,
# [tmiller] Will do, I know the wiki said they are every other Wednesday
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# [jgmac1106] we should have guidelines for HWC and all IWC organizers on how to handle email addresses collected as part of tix. Is it okay to share or add? I think we should have an opt-in policy
# [jgmac1106] yeah it is really cool when you can do them as the same time as other cities
# [jgmac1106] only BMore regular on East Coast, but its about the local conditions on the ground
# [jgmac1106] Mine in NHV aren't gonna be on Wed bc of soccer, and I have to plan around the busline in New Haven
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# [tmiller] Yeah I really want to get it started and growing because I think it's important
# [tmiller] I'm trying to figure out the best way to do the first meeting to keep people engaged
# [jgmac1106] that is awesome
# [tmiller] Yeah it is it might be a little hard for me at first just because I feel I don't really have experience so much
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# [jgmac1106] [manton] You should actually catch up on the /organizers notes, going with a three column three audience view. Going to list micro.blog as the get started now option
# [jgmac1106] you and @macgenie may want to make sure the micro.blog page has section for similar audience
# [jgmac1106] not sure timeline, scoped it out in NYC, hoping for realease in Berlin, but that's tight and I don't knwo what kind of voddoo it takes to get CSS to work on a wiki page like that
# [jgmac1106] i like you page]
# [jgmac1106] that makes sense. I think we need to be explicit to other organizers
# [jgmac1106] [manton] the metaphor @gwg came up with is the cell-phone thee plan sales page, tools like micro.blog will be featured in Plan A. Anything that is press a button and go
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[manton] One of the interesting things to come out of our new Homebrew Website Club in Austin is that many people have found out about it from EFF Austin, who has helped promote it, so there are a lot of new people who have never heard of the IndieWeb before. I think the redesigned 3-section home page is a good way to point people in the right direction.
# [jgmac1106] @zegnat is there a CoC brainstroming section, I would want to add that, and begin discussion about research disclosure
# [jgmac1106] yeah [manton] I tried to get my brother (lost cause) and sister-in-law to goshe is studying LIS
# [jgmac1106] where would it go? IWC planning?
# [jgmac1106] HWC planning?
# [jgmac1106] I have to get to work, have a bunch of videos
# [jgmac1106] this is the week where my students take over class qand have to write this module, currently it s template, in GDocs I turn to HTML, haven't given them the file yet
# [jgmac1106] [manton] As her finakl project she is working on the Baby Bobby Book Modile: https://www.facebook.com/Baby-Bobby-Bookmobile-274643902925470/?hc_ref=OTHER trying to get them on their own domain. Told them micro.blog be perfect
# [jgmac1106] we also discussed encouraging a "Group A" IndieWeb Meet Up, seeing your micro.blog meet-up success, and move HWC to Group B
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Zegnat I think https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct-feedback is for all things meta to CoC.
# [jgmac1106] I think a data privacy policy could fit in CoC
# [manton] Reviewing the organizer notes and current home page, is the intention to keep the top section of the current home page with the "Your content is yours", "You are better connected"...? I like those, but one thing I think could be promoted from Principles to the home page is mention of having custom domain names as the first step. That feels like it should be part of "Your content is yours" to me, to give people one very concrete step to take.
# [jgmac1106] Agree
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# [jgmac1106] but we didn't want to cut off folks he may start on a shared host like micro.blog and then choose to map that to their first domain
# [jgmac1106] if you think about it most folks who helped build original tools probably started on geocities, friendster, typepad, something
# [jgmac1106] I think after the homepage redesign, the principles need some cleaning up to reach wider audiences as well. Those three values, and the tagline show up the most in press
# [jgmac1106] I really have to go, bye
# Zegnat If you just want to put a note somewhere along the lines of “think about the attendees personal information”, I guess that could go on https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp#How_to_organize ? I am not sure what to do with that, as it depends a lot on how the specific event is being run and by who. And whether it may be part of a bigger event.
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manton.org edited /Planning (+119) "Adding myself to some more possible dates for IndieWebCamp Austin in early 2019." (view diff)
# [manton] To go along with the above wiki updates, we talked last night at Homebrew Website Club about holding IndieWebCamp Austin in early 2019. There's just not enough time to organize it before the end of the year in my opinion. I also reached out to Tara Vancil via email to see if any weekends in January or February work best for her.
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[schmarty] Manton: nice!!
# [jgmac1106] Need good excuse to go see my family. Haven't been to Austin since brother's wedding
# [jgmac1106] I do have connections at UT-Austin , the university space worked out quite well in NYC, plus usually free if co-sponsored..really hope I can go
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# [jgmac1106] !tell schamrty if he needs ideas for his HWC: https://2018.baltimore.wordcamp.org/
# [jgmac1106] wish I could type still
# [manton] Thanks [jgmac1106]! As soon as we narrow it down to a few potential weekends, we can check out some venues. Appreciate the help. Last year we used Capital Factory which is a co-working place with a bunch of potential rooms (we only used 2). Downtown is ideal but on campus would be cool too. Parking is always a concern too for local folks.
# [jgmac1106] why? Every street in Austin is now a parking lot.
# [jgmac1106] hopefully they will have you back
# [jgmac1106] I forgot you did one last year, my advice after just doing one , is never run an IWC when the president is in town\
# [jgmac1106] Hope I get to go, still trying to lang a speaking gig in Berlin around that IWC
# [jgmac1106] can sometimes find cheap flights to Dallas, but hate that drive
# [jgmac1106] rather go right into Austin
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# [jgmac1106] [eddie] do you mean hues or colors? Not sure we got passed that debate
# [jgmac1106] I kid, we ran out of time
# [jgmac1106] I kinda ignore all color discussions
# [jgmac1106] ohh I am color by number being color blind. I tell people to pick two colors from a chart (with hex) and then pick other numbers in that pallete and hope people like it
# [jgmac1106] based on https://eddiehinkle.com/ you like the less is more or white background, I love color patterns in divs and sections
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[eddie] I appreciate full color bleeds but do like simplicity. https://indigenous.abode.pub/ios/
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# [jgmac1106] i love full color bleeds had no idea what to call it
# gRegorLove I'm dumping /2018/NYC/Organizers etherpad. Do we have video?
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# gRegorLove Bummer. I thought aaronpk had something recording locally
# [jgmac1106] I have that video
# [jgmac1106] I got back from NYC, IT showed up for my laptop,
# [jgmac1106] I threw it on an external hard drive, don't know where it should go
# [jgmac1106] ohh of organizers meeting, wasn't recorded...kinda nice, might be somethign to think about
# [jgmac1106] I like no recorded..good minutes, people are jet lagged, organizers running around like crazy, no way do I want to be on that long
# [jgmac1106] I am 100% pedovert
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# [jgmac1106] I wish I would have done HoA or recorded my screen for the live demos, sorry all
# [jgmac1106] If you want to do a screen recording I can add it to the end of the video
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# [schmarty] +1 for not recording video of organizers meetings
# gRegorLove Hm, porque on not recording organizer meetups?
# [schmarty] GWG I booked a single room already 😬 however there is a place to list interest in room sharing on the wiki
# gRegorLove Agreed we're pretty good on etherpad notes, just curious.
# [schmarty] gRegorLove: they are long and lose focus often.
# [schmarty] Just my $0.02
# gRegorLove Fair
# gRegorLove Notes are now in /2018/NYC/Organizers#Sessions. Need to review notes and put any TODOs in /2018/NYC/Organizers#Task_List before we forget them :)
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# dougbeal|mb1 Oooh, direct flights to JFK for 250. Cat sitter will be with the Grandchildren though.
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# [jgmac1106] @gwg I am trying to get any speaking gig, figure you must know soon, I would have to decide by Monday anyways...to work on the homefront as well
# [jgmac1106] ooohhh @aaronopk another reason for the hcard img QR code, we could literally make a "gotta catch em all game"
# [jgmac1106] @zegnat now I have toi have to make an hcard version of this: https://opendefender.glitch.me/
# [jgmac1106] @zegnat I did this one as well, been remixed a lot actually be fun way to sneak hcards in: https://opendefenderfolks.glitch.me/
# AngeloGladding oof.. sorry i'll get him out of here
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# tantek__ gRegorLove++ for archiving Etherpad notes to /2018/NYC/Organizers!
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