#meta 2018-11-13

2018-11-13 UTC
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[tantek] Serious question, what's the best way to catch up on weeks of logs? Start and page forward, or backward?
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[eddie] I always try to start at the beginning
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[eddie] My mind needs things in chronological order or else I expend too much brain power trying to go backwards
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jacky ^ yeah
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jacky esp when people make replies to things - top down == best way
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[tantek] makes sense
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gRegorLove Beyond a day or two, I usually declare Backlog Zero :)
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tantek I don't really feel like I can do that.
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tantek I need to catch up on logs from when I was too busy in-person, and then I need to start triaging microformats2 parsing issues - I think that's the area I can help unbottleneck the most right now
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tantek (open to other suggestions)
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upon2020.com edited /events/2018-11-14-homebrew-website-club-sf (+37) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove sounds good, tantek. I'm happy to help with any mf2 stuff too.
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2018-11-14-homebrew-website-club (-35) "/* Virtual Americas */ +me, rm old hangouts url" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /events/2018-11-14-homebrew-website-club (+19) "/* Virtual Americas */ +chrisaldrich" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /feedstagram (+151) "prompted by [cleverdevil] and dfn added by [cleverdevil]" (view diff)
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eddiehinkle.com edited /website-analytics (+22) "/* Fathom */ +me" (view diff)
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@arasbozkurt #el30 via #NodeXL http://bit.ly/2QFpZvY @downes Top hashtags: #el30 #indieweb #mooc #literacies #ds106 #mb #machinelearning #metacognition #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/1062256536146329600)
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[jgmac1106] https://mashable.com/article/linkedin-events-feature/#8meptX.a2sqC something to think about when doing events... Often find LinkedIn to be network of choice for CompSci
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@dshanske An Indieweb Podcast – Episode 11 – Four IWCs Later: https://di5.us/b/dq (twitter.com/_/status/1062318535089758208)
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[schmarty] [jgmac1106] lol the subtitle on that post about LinkedIn events is just "It's similar to Facebook events". Perfect tl;dr.
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pflug.email created /User:Pflug.email (+61) "Wikifying myself" (view diff)
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pflug.email edited /User:Pflug.email (+192) "Adding a face" (view diff)
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Zegnat “LinkedIn to be network of choice for CompSci” - you must be in different circles, most techs I know only use LinkedIn when they want to connect with recruiters and never use it for their personal networking
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pflug.email created /Template:David_Pflug (+106) "Add small h-card" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] more the higher ed faculty @zegnat....here in US in my experience....I usually see a twitter, linkedin, and github link...but I am sure LinkedIn is just used for recruiting and advertising yourself....becoming a platform for bad drip campaigns
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[jgmac1106] [eddie] did you make /2019/Online/Planning yet? Wanted to capture our ideas before they get lost
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Main_Page (+103) "/* Upcoming Homebrew Website Club meetups */" (view diff)
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sknebel aaronpk: one downside with online events only labelled "online", looks kind of stupid IMHO if there's two ^^^
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[eddie] I did not #fail
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aaronpk oh yeah huh
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sknebel two ideas: a) people have started to use emojis in the names, copy those and b) have a p-iww-short-name property, I think I'll add both?
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aaronpk would "p-nickname" work?
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sknebel I wasn't sure
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aaronpk it's not explicitly part of h-event right now, but seems like not a stretch
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Organizers/event_pages (+134) "/* ToDos */ notes" (view diff)
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sknebel could someone with the necessary permissions please add the last two lines of https://indieweb.org/User:Www.svenknebel.de/vector.css to https://indieweb.org/MediaWiki:Vector.css ?
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronparecki.com created /MediaWiki:Vector.css (+573) "from [[User:Www.svenknebel.de/vector.css]]" (view diff)
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aaronpk clever
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Organizers/event_pages (+273) "/* ToDos */ error reporting" (view diff)
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eddiehinkle.com edited /User:Eddiehinkle.com (+7814) "update" (view diff)
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@jukesie ↩️ I always liked the POSSE idea --> https://indieweb.org/POSSE ..but to be honest as long as I own my domain and can easily export my stuff I don't worry about platforms anymore & I'll never host my own site again. Life is too short! (twitter.com/_/status/1062408611895353345)
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[eddie] aaronpk Is it possible that the chat logs when you click on a channel take you to the bottom of the current day, rather than the top? I'm wondering how many people go to the chat logs want to go to the most recent time if first arriving on a channel
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[eddie] where as the "prev/next" buttons likely should bring someone to the beginning of the day
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sknebel [eddie]: it does that for me?
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[eddie] Really? You see the bottom of the chat, not the top?
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[eddie] Strange... maybe it's just iOS?
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sknebel yeah, it sends me to #bottom fragment, which is unsurprisingly at the bottom
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sknebel hm, should our slack maybe have this enabled? https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/228020667-Make-email-addresses-private
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[eddie] hmm you're right, there is a #bottom fragment at the end of that url
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[eddie] strange, it's broken on iOS
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[eddie] darn!
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[tantek] This is a great meta-post about convenience which the author then subsequently cited as a reason to go back to their own blog: http://www.hollidazed.co.uk/2017/11/19/convenience-isnt-digital/
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[tantek] Not sure where to put it - maybe UX?
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[tantek] what is UX
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Loqi User experience, often abbreviated as UX, refers to the total experience a user has with a tool, or even an entire company, across all methods of communication and interaction with that tool, including both direct interactions using a tool UI and indirect interactions via other tools such as email, SMS, phone calls, in-person human representatives of the tool or company, etc https://indieweb.org/ux
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[tantek] close enough
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[tantek] UX << 2017-11-19 [http://www.hollidazed.co.uk/2017/11/19/convenience-isnt-digital/ Convenience isn’t digital / Why we need a different response to convenience in a digital age]
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-11-19 [http://www.hollidazed.co.uk/2017/11/19/convenience-isnt-digital/ Convenience isn’t digital / Why we need a different response to convenience in a digital age]" to the "See Also" section of /user-experience https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=53840&oldid=29081
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[tantek] posts about << 2018-11-09 [http://www.hollidazed.co.uk/2018/11/09/for-the-love-of-the-blog/ For the love of the blog]
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-11-09 [http://www.hollidazed.co.uk/2018/11/09/for-the-love-of-the-blog/ For the love of the blog]" to the "See Also" section of /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=53841&oldid=52879
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[eddie] Hmmm, because the channel urls like https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/ forward to the current day url Aperture won't subscribe to the current url, it wants to subscribe to the redirected url which will result in only following the day
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[eddie] That's too bad. I thought it might be interesting to follow the chat logs within my Microsub reader as a test
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sknebel that seems like a bug in aperture/watchtower
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sknebel worth filing a bug there
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[tantek] is it a 301 or 307?
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[eddie] I wasn't sure if https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/ was doing a perminent or temporary redirect and if that had any effect on it
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sknebel it correctly does 301
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sknebel eh, sorry
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sknebel 302
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sknebel (mistyped)
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sknebel 301 would be wrong :D
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[tantek] do we need a feed discovery spec to make this explicit?
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[tantek] about which URL to actually subscribe to
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[tantek] oh wait we have one
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[tantek] WebSub 😛
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[eddie] lol!
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sknebel [eddie]: you filing the bug?
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[eddie] Yeah, I will
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sknebel thx
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[tantek] there should already be a bug requesting Aperture to support WebSub - perhaps thumb that up?
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[tantek] and cross-link with this 301/302 bug?
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[eddie] https://github.com/aaronpk/Aperture/issues/63
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Loqi [EdwardHinkle] #63 Can't subscribe to feed urls that redirect
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[eddie] WebSub doesn't deal with redirects does it?
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aaronpk aperture doesn't do websub yet so unrelated :P
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[tantek] but if it did do websub it would have to obey those 301/302 semantics, just sayin' 🙂
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@jgmac1106 @benholliday just read your blog about how you are reclaiming your identity and identity from @medium! Wonderful post. You maybe interested to learn more about #IndieWeb tools for WordPress. We make blogging awesome again (well it was always awesome). (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2fNnLY) (twitter.com/_/status/1062423067803205650)
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[jgmac1106] ha ha I was following all his links as well....
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[jgmac1106] lot of discussion on micro.blog wether a frictionless web was bad for writing and social media
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[tantek] next Internet Archive dweb meetup is *Tuesday* December 11th (nice that they avoided colliding with HWC this time 🙂 ) https://www.eventbrite.com/e/decentralized-web-meet-up-tickets-52509395014
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Part of the reason I am trying to create an #IndieWeb course template so we can all start remixing each other's work instead of reinventing the wheel each time: https://glitch.com/~indiewebcoursetemplate put it on @glitch it's all HTML but you don't need to… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/13/melyoung00-part-of-the-reason-i-am (twitter.com/_/status/1062425923457294336)
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sknebel pulling this up again since discussion quickly moved past it: I think our slack should hide the e-mail addresses people sign up with: https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/228020667-Make-email-addresses-private
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tantek__ +1
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aaronpk Didn't even realize that was an option, totally agree
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@vincentlistens ↩️ Not quite yet. I sent it using Jekyll, and my indieweb server. All the principles are agnostic. So it should port to @eleven_ty I'm preparing a blog post at the moment detailing my method :-) (twitter.com/_/status/1062461677914992641)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+296) "Dusseldorf planning moving forward, checked with Marc, save the date! Add yourself as interested, venue and other details coming" (view diff)
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sebsel saves date
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+28) "/* Dusseldorf */ link stub" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+56) "/* Dusseldorf */ link BT" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /2019/Düsseldorf (+396) "stub with likely dates to create the page" (view diff)
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[tantek] Is it time to add the 2019 row to the IWCs template?
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loqi.me edited /PushAPI (+77) "gRegorLove added "https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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www.rootedfromnature.com edited /Events (+319) "/* November */" (view diff)
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www.rootedfromnature.com edited /Events (+0) "/* November */" (view diff)
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seblog.nl moved /PushAPI to /Push_API "spec has a space https://www.w3.org/TR/push-api/"
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[tantek] hmm - the duplicate event descriptions for the individual HWC events is looking very redundant here: https://indieweb.org/Events#November - any suggestions for fixing?
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[tantek] namely: "Join us for an evening of quiet writing, wiki editing, IndieWeb demos and discussions! "
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sknebel shouldn't be individual ones, but joined like the 2018-11-14 IndieWeb Meetups block
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[tantek] sknebel not sure what you mean - shouldn't be visible? because I am seeing it at that URL above
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[tantek] !tell [tmiller] is HWC NYC tonight? or tomorrow night?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel multiple on the same day should be joined like 2018-11-14 IndieWeb Meetups
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sknebel Where: Online, San Francisco
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sknebel at least that was the proposal
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[tantek] sknebel - then there's a bunch of clean-up to do on /Events accordingly along with better explaining it
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[tmiller] No [tantek] tomorrow I had to change to the 14th I had copied and pasted
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Loqi [tmiller]: tantek left you a message on 2018-10-11 at 6:11pm UTC: did you take any (more) group photos at HWC NYC? Can you upload to the wiki (if any more) and add the best one from NYC to the Photos section (similar to the Mountain View photo there now) https://indieweb.org/events/2018-10-10-homebrew-website-club#Photos Thanks!
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[tantek] thanks [tmiller] just saw the date listed on /events as tonight which is why I was asking 🙂
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www.svenknebel.de created /events/2018-11-14-homebrew-website-club-NYC (+2432) "create" (view diff)
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sknebel [tmiller]: I created an individual page for NYC, could you check it? https://indieweb.org/events/2018-11-14-homebrew-website-club-NYC
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Events (-405) "/* November */ join 11-14 entries" (view diff)
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sknebel hope to get the automation for that in place this week
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /events/2018-11-2nd-week-meetups (+62) "autogenerated with 5 entries" (view diff)
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sknebel better
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Events (+102) "/* November */ link virtual americas too" (view diff)
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tantek.com moved /events/2018-11-14-homebrew-website-club-NYC to /events/2018-11-14-homebrew-website-club-nyc "lets keep the capitalization internally consistent and consistent with other locations"
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tantek.com edited /Events (+14) "/* November */ more emojis for HWC tomorrow" (view diff)
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[tantek] why is 🍕 for New Haven? never heard of it as any particular destination for pizza (I hear of NY and CHI for that)
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] or does the 🍕 symbol mean you are providing pizza for HWC New Haven participants? 😉
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[schmarty] HWC Baltimore quiet writing hour is a-goin'.
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GWG [schmarty]: What are you writing?
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loqi.me edited /WriteFreely (+280) "[eddie] added "https://writing.exchange/@matt/101066523112656548" to "See Also"" (view diff)