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gregorlove.com edited /commitments (+79) "+categorytree" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Updated the commitment pages to include a categorytree: https://indieweb.org/2019-01-01-commitments#Other_Commitments
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gRegorLove Those should stay up to date with new pages in [[Category:IndieWeb Commitments]]
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gregorlove.com edited /indieweb_commitments (+0) "r" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 Thx @cleverdevil I just published my first read post using an idno plugin I remixed! I clearly have a few things to adjust on the templates but the markup looks correct. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1UpIDj) (twitter.com/_/status/1064318212857389058)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Basically best place to go to for help is the #IndieWeb chat. Either #Knownchat on freenode or link to the Known channel from https://chat.known.com (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/uaQpZ) (twitter.com/_/status/1064344594194796544)
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itheorist.com edited /User:Itheorist.com (+58) (view diff)
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@WalterStephanie ↩️ The rel attribute stands for relationship. Rel=me creates a relationship between me and the online services. You can then use this to create authentification with the right API https://indieweb.org/RelMeAuth #vdthess18 (twitter.com/_/status/1064435706272145408)
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@WalterStephanie ↩️ A great resource to know more about decentralized web: https://indieweb.org/ Don't forget to have fun, your website is a playground!! Let's share what we know, just chose where you want to share it. #vdthess18 (twitter.com/_/status/1064438750657294337)
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@Structed Great talk about the #indieweb by @adactio at #voxxeddays #thessaloniki - extremely inspiring! https://t.co/XHDUvw6C0p (twitter.com/_/status/1064439017847033856)
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loqi.me created /Perch_Runway (+19) "prompted by petermolnar and redirect added by sknebel" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Perch_Runway (-1) "whops, no dot." (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2019/Online/Planning (+186) "/* Goals / Ideas for Online Medium */" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 Just proposed a "nap time" session idea for the upcoming IndieWebCamp-Online. Meaning parents can give a window for their session based on normal nap schedules with understanding start and stop times may shift dramatically. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1gItTf) (twitter.com/_/status/1064517876818808834)
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Loqi aaronpk has 65 karma in this channel over the last year (302 in all channels)
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[schmarty] aaronpk++ for the IWC Berlin sessions summary podcast! i have posted it to the TWITIWAE stream.
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Loqi [schmarty]: aaronpk left you a message 22 hours, 44 minutes ago: feel free to copy this to your this-week feed so it ends up in the main podcast feed too! https://aaronparecki.com/2018/11/18/7/indiewebcamp-berlin
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aaronpk yay thanks!
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[eddie] very cool, I'm looking forward to listening to that!
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aaronpk didn't expect it to take me that long to edit, but at least it's done now!
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[tantek] Aaronpk, zegnat the mf1 markup needed the spans/abbrs that were in there before because the deployed h2vx doesn’t support the time element unfortunately. Dev.h2vx.com has some experimental time element support if you want to try it
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[tantek] Alternatively if you know of another service to turn h-event into .ics so people can subscribe to events in their iCal, we could use that instead of h2vx. That’s the use-case this is for
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aaronpk didn't gRegorLove write one?
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aaronpk also, have you actually looked at the ics feed that it's been generating?
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[tantek] (Re /Events and one-day-template etc)
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[tantek] I can take a look at your new template to see if it is possible to make it work with mf1 hCalendar
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aaronpk the current ics feed is kind of a mess, has a bunch of invalid data in the dates
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@schmarty Listen to a summary of all sessions at @indiewebcamp Berlin 2018! https://aaronparecki.com/2018/11/18/7/indiewebcamp-berlin (twitter.com/_/status/1064560664507793408)
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[tantek] Aaronpk probably because we’ve neglected it. It use to work completely
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[tantek] Using the templates consistently would make that easier since they could include any necessary backcompat smarts, just as they can be DRY even if they output duplicate info
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aaronpk this is as far as I got with the new template https://indieweb.org/Template:Aaronparecki.com/one-day-event
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aaronpk the example at the bottom is using it too
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[tantek] Last call for events this week - assuming no HWC tue or wed?
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[tantek] https://indieweb.org/reader needs a bit of an overhaul - it's too hard to find the latest info about all the awesome readers
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[tantek] which social readers are people using?
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[eddie] Make sure any stuff that needs to be done (that you don't do yourself) is in https://indieweb.org/to-do before December to help provide fodder for 2018-12-indieweb-challenge 😄
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[tantek] aaronpk is Monocle usable by anyone or just you?
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aaronpk pretty sure others are using it
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aaronpk both my hosted one as well as a self-hosted one
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aaronpk I don't keep usage logs on it though so I don't really know
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tantek.com edited /reader (+438) "social readers section at top since that's what's new, exciting, and actually broadly usable today, move Indigenous and Together there, note IndieWeb examples need review and updating" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /reader (+284) "/* Social Readers */ add Indigenous screenshots" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /reader (+205) "move Monocle to social readers" (view diff)
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[tantek] Eddie I needed it more urgently so here's a quick iterative attempt to improve the relevance / appeal of /reader
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[tantek] reload https://indieweb.org/reader
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[tantek] ok [aaronpk]move Monocle to the new Social Readers section
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[tantek] feel free to improve that new section - this was a quick rough attempt to highlight the most relevant stuff with visually compelling screenshots quickly
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aaronpk nice, definitely an improvement
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[tantek] now we can easily send people to indieweb.org/readers as the latest in Reader development, period.
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[tantek] ideally each of our generically named pages is similarly appealing, showcasing screenshots from best examples of indieweb projects / products / services
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[eddie] Great improvement tantek!
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[tantek] need to somehow capture that design goal in /wikify
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[eddie] and yes, I've heard several people mention they use Monocle (and I use it whenever I'm on a computer)
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tantek.com edited /reader (+15) "note feed readers are read-only, more descriptive than "legacy", explicitly note Social Readers are interactive" (view diff)
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eddiehinkle.com edited /reader (-1) "/* Indigenous */ slight tweaks to Indigenous description" (view diff)
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gRegorLove aaronpk, [tantek] not as a service, but a library: https://github.com/gRegorLove/mf2-to-iCalendar
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Loqi [gRegorLove] mf2-to-iCalendar: Convert microformats h-event to iCalendar
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aaronpk aha awesome. have you tried it out on the /events page?
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gRegorLove Not yet
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aaronpk that looks straightforward enough I'd be happy to set it up on the server to convert wiki pages
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gRegorLove If the mf2 is good, it should work. I've used it on several client sites so far.
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aaronpk sweet. i'd much prefer that over continuing to wrangle mf1 templates
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gRegorLove Indeed!
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[schmarty] i use aaronpk's hosted monocle in firefox as my desktop reader.
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[jgmac1106] I should re-record this and just focus on the social readers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwECN4uVuHg
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Loqi agreed.
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eddiehinkle.com edited /audience (+307) "/* Indieweb examples */ +me" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /audience (+190) "/* Indieweb examples */ $me" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /token_revocation (+56) "link IndieAuth revocation in dfn too" (view diff)
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[tantek] also agreed to switching to the mf2->ics converter assuming it works!
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[tantek] BTW five years ago yesterday http://tantek.com/2013/322/b1/homebrew-computer-club-reunion-inspiration
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] The Homebrew Computer Club 38th Reunion: Inspiration To Try A Variant
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GWG Happy anniversary a
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[tantek] The problems I mention in that blog post are largely still true!
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[tantek] hey [jgmac1106] I've been following your https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/pages/100daysofindieweb - very impressive
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[tantek] quick question on yesterday's entry though - it says "Planned IWC-Online" but AFAIK that's not actually done yet right? Like we don't have a set date, way to RSVP for it etc.?
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[tantek] Not to diminish what aaronpk did with 100daysofindieweb I'm pretty sure the expectation is actually *shipping* something (not just "working on it") on every day
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[tantek] IMO for 100daysofindieweb, better to have note the one thing you shipped, rather than that plus "worked on" things that haven't shipped or aren't really visible results I guess? (like what's the visible outcome / shipping of "debated switching CMS (again) " ?)
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[tantek] or am I misinterpreting this and is it more of a personal log of 100daysofindieweb related things you've worked on? (which is also a great thing to do, just a different variant than the original)
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aaronpk my goal with it was to ship some visible improvement every day. so it was a combination of completing something plus also making sure that thing was visible to others.
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[tantek] I think that's a good bar to set
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[tantek] also good to self-limit to one, I mean if you do more than one in a day, maybe save "launching" it for the next day just to give yourself a breather 🙂
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[tantek] or queue up the things you're making incremental progress for being able to "finish up" in a future day so you reduce your future cognitive load
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aaronpk I did also sometimes find that the original goal was too large, so I split it up into two smaller goals, but both involved shipping something
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[jgmac1106] Is community shipped or built? I am leaving my evangelism out... Though that is quantifiable x post today, but stuff like planning IWC-Online or IWC-New Haven will take time. I will count community activities
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[jgmac1106] But like [aaronpk] said, I shipped a plugin yesterday... Do not like it so it will be chunked.. One day will be write templates, next day functions
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[jgmac1106] I also have to learn all this stuff as I go. I can't just ship a plugin built on php...first I have to spend hours learning how... I do not track that
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[jgmac1106] No when I reach day 43 and decide... F this I just want to figure out how to do this with flat files.... Well then I am royally screwed if "shipped" is metric of success
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[jgmac1106] For me I made a commitment to do #IndieWeb work for 100 days I may engineer my site or codes for others but I may also iterate on community
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aaronpk i'd count something like launching a registration page for the event, but not stuff like sending emails about planning
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[jgmac1106] I will give you, "debated switching LMS" has lower value but then I was also working through with someone on how to edit their htaccess file if running Known on Apache... So it weird way it sparked that outcome...
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[jgmac1106] [aaronpk] I like that filter "must be outward facing"
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aaronpk I liked it as well. it definitely biases the kind of things that get done during the challenge, so you should be aware of that, but I thought it was useful
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[jgmac1106] Been trying to add the list item and then link to a post... But it's day five... Already tired.... The low bar this morning might have been "oh shit what will I do today" but then I was able to ship something on my site after hating the plugin and redoing my stylesheet
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[jgmac1106] Now tomorrow I can write a tutorial on Grint files to compile your stylesheets in Known (right after I learn how to do that and what a Grint file is)
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[jgmac1106] If you think you can do #100Days better feel free to dogfood on your own site and we can compare Feb/March
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[jgmac1106] ... But point taken... Will keep the low bar stuff off... May make a page to track it all
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gRegorLove what is IndieWeb Challenge?
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Loqi The IndieWeb Challenge is to collectively ship something IndieWeb-related every day of December! https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Challenge
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[jgmac1106] Stupid autocorrect. It Grint a word?
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tantek.com edited /Organizers (+614) "fix dfn grammar, simplify slightly, add proposal for making "organizer" more active to focus and encourage" (view diff)
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[tantek]1 hey organizers past and present, please take a look at the proposal at the top of the page there (just past the definition) and add your summary +1/0/-1 opinion and thoughts/feedback - https://indieweb.org/Organizers - appreciated!!!
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aaronpk not sure I understand your comment about "folks who would opt out"
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gregorlove.com created /indieweb_challenge (+40) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2018-12-indieweb-challenge (+874) "add inspiration section to start queuing up things to do for the challenge, collectively and personally" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] Yeah "opt-out" usually too busy or not available more than anything. I like page and new filters
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eddiehinkle.com edited /2018-12-indieweb-challenge (+249) "/* Inspiration */ +me" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I think the opt-out might refer to people like me, who would no longer fall under the criteria. We discussed it a bit while he's here. I don't mind at all, myself, I'm in favor of the change.
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gRegorLove Based on 2016 and 2017 pages, the IWC threshold used to be two years, so I'm not sure that part changes
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gRegorLove tantek's left now so will have to confirm when he's back in chat.
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[jgmac1106] Yeah but then the threshold has complications as in "crap this would filter out @Zegnat and [gRegorLove] and now someone has to edit wiki"
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gRegorLove I don't think it's a problem to filter me out. Doesn't mean I can't be involved in the community.
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gRegorLove and/or it can be encouragement to put together some HWCs. That's a pretty low threshold.
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gRegorLove I can still dump etherpad notes even if I'm not at the Organizer's meetup :)
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gRegorLove Appreciate the thought, but I'm in favor of getting new people in there.
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[jgmac1106] <-- makes gRegor and Martiin organizers on all events to never wiki garden
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[jgmac1106] I know I tease... And I agree....and would rather have our diversity goals met with current filters but happy to create filters that allow for explicit D&I efforts
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[jgmac1106] But yeah looking forward to HWC-San Diego
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gRegorLove Hehe
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gRegorLove You gonna make it?
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gRegorLove Could be really popular in the winter months. HWC at the beach.
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[jgmac1106] Ohh by the way you organized last vHWC-America and atleast two others I recall
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gRegorLove If vHWCs count (a good question), then we might still meet the criteria
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[jgmac1106] I make no differentiation between physical and digital spaces... And Martiin does vHWC-Europe... So Bonus... No wiki gardening
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[jgmac1106] Cali is hard... Travel expensiveSupposed to go to a conference in Palm Springs next week but bailed due to cost (and moral weirdness talking literacy and poverty as a swank resort)
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[jgmac1106] ... But I can often line up a speaking gig. Got connections at UC-San Diego... Speak there every so often so mayne
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[jgmac1106] The last vHWC-America's, while a few technical difficulties went well, the Convo on mf2 and WordPress, improving accessibility, and your php mf2 talks just as good as any f2f.
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gRegorLove yeah
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GWG Did we finalize LA?
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gRegorLove Not according to https://indieweb.org/Planning#Los_Angeles
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[eddie] I do think virtual HWC/IWCs should all count, as it takes time and effort (maybe not as much as in person) and shows an active desire to further IndieWeb participation.
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[eddie] As someone who would be “opted-out” I think it’s an okay rule. I believe next month (Dec 2018) would opt me out as an organizer. I’m actively trying to figure out how I can continue to help move IndieWeb forward, whether online or in person. I expect to be able to “renew” my organizer creds through virtual until I find a way to make a sustainable in person HWC happen
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[eddie] I think I would be neutral. I wouldn’t be offended, I think a person’s desire and focus also plays a lot into it
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GWG I won't be able to make it to a HWC next Wednesday. I will be out of town
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GWG If you organize, you are an organizer. I am convinced that I am not one though
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GWG I do nothing
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gRegorLove and you're an organizer for IWC Online, [eddie]
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gRegorLove I think activel organizing an upcoming event overrides an otherwise-lapse
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[eddie] ahh gotcha. that makes sense
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[eddie] I think I would be in favor of the new time-based with that clause because it includes both past and intention
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GWG People solve the problem of eligibility by organizing
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GWG [eddie]: Dates for IWC Online 2?
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GWG Seems a pretty even split
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[eddie] I really would like to get more people to vote on dates before I finalize them. At this point one weekend has been ruled out 3/16-17
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[eddie] Everything else in March is still even
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[eddie] and there are a ton more people who have expressed interest but not voted for dates, so I think I’ll start pinging them and see if I can get some more responses
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GWG I have nothing this far out
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[eddie] me too
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[eddie] lol might be our problem/solution?
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[eddie] people don’t really have a preference this far away?
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GWG Then we just pick
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GWG Suggest distance from New Haven
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[eddie] Yeah, good idea
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[eddie] The weekend of 3/9-10?
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GWG Sounds good at the moment
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[eddie] It seems inbetween Austin and New Haven
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[eddie] :thumbsup:
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GWG Gives us time to really plan something unique
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[eddie] So maybe what I’ll do is ping those interested to see if those dates are in conflict just to confirm we’re not ruling out potential participators
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[eddie] Yep, it’s nice to have something far enough in the distance that we can set it up well
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[eddie] and get word out for people
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GWG So, let's see about trying new things
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GWG Maybe some preset stuff