#meta 2018-11-18

2018-11-18 UTC
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ like having all the archives searchable on https://chat.indieweb.org an off-record channel that isn't archived. Granted it takes a team of super nerds to run but having a wiki connected to a super smart bot its best learning workflow I have found… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/18/cogdog-like-having-all-the-archives-searchable (twitter.com/_/status/1063958678993293313)
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[tantek] longevity << https://twitter.com/cogdog/status/1063578020047462400
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/cogdog/status/1063578020047462400" to the "See Also" section of /longevity https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54046&oldid=53540
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ related note @eddiehinkle, mean, others going to organize an online IndieWebCamp. thinking of doing  lighting round for peer reviewed blogging #DoOO research. gather and talk about this stuff and buid out how we talk from our sites. (https://jgregorymcverry.com/8166-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1063987958498381824)
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david.shanske.com edited /Micropub-extensions (+30) "/* Implementations */" (view diff)
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david.shanske.com edited /Micropub-extensions (+30) "/* Implementations */" (view diff)
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@benjystanton The next step in getting my site #indieweb ready is to add h-entry microformat markup to the posts. https://www.benjystanton.co.uk/blog/adding-h-entry-to-the-posts-template/ (twitter.com/_/status/1064103106923896832)
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@jgmac1106 @mrkdndvs we are organizing an online @indiewebcamp and we currently don't have anyone to facilitate utc+9 to 11. Not sure if interest is there in Aussie/NZ/Pacifics but would you want to get involved? (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/xzbt9) (twitter.com/_/status/1064108628066611206)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2019/Online/Planning (+976) "added some brainstorming" (view diff)
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@Ox1Digital ↩️ @benjystanton Thanks to this I've spent the last 30mins learning about the #indieweb. Cheers Benjy (twitter.com/_/status/1064131817995976704)
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@jgmac1106 #IndieWeb Question on h-review: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/18/indieweb-question-on-h-review (twitter.com/_/status/1064139885072867330)
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loqi.me created /fragment_URL (+80) "prompted by jgmac1106 and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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aaronpk did something about the one-day-event template change?
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aaronpk for some reason the date is not showing up on dt-end, only the time
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sknebel [tantek] tried some stuff, but I thought reverted it. check the history to be sure
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aaronpk don't see any related changes in the history
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aaronpk the template is working on all events except the Organizers meetup
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aaronpk oh wait no it's not... I see
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aaronpk something is going wrong with the timezone in some of thenm
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sknebel the +1:00 might not be acceptable?
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aaronpk when a timezone is specified, it throws off the parsed result
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sknebel it also needs to be VCP to imply the date
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sknebel which it isn't
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aaronpk e.g. this wordcamp riverside one has a dt-end "11:00-8:00-0800"
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aaronpk what are we gaining by using this VCP pattern here?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "we gaining by using this VCP pattern here" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "we gaining by using this VCP pattern here is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk it's like jumping through a bunch of mental hoops to understand how the mediawiki template generates HTML that will be understood by the parser
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aaronpk the php, ruby, and python parsers all give different results for the start/end dates on that event
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sknebel VCP is needed to imply the date, if you want that
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sknebel (well, some parsers do it anyhow, but per spec you need VCP)
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aaronpk I mean why can't we just use <time> elements with datetime attributes here in order to spell out the full date
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sknebel you probably can
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aaronpk since we have the date, start and end times all individually, it seems silly to combine them into some sort of clever HTML since it's just generated from a template anyway
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aaronparecki.com edited /Events (+6) "add leading 0 on timezone offsets since that trips up a bunch of parsers otherwise" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /Template:Aaronparecki.com/one-day-event (+1935) "attempt at simplified start/end dates for one-day-event template" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /Template:Aaronparecki.com/one-day-event/doc (+4511) "copy doc to test new template" (view diff)
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aaronpk okay with that new template, the parsers all get the right result, no VCP needed. it's technically duplicating information in the HTML, but I don't think that matters because it's all authored the same way by specifying the date/start/end/tz individually in just one place like before.
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aaronpk the wiki shows lines like this: February 24, 2016 18:30–19:30 (-08:00 UTC) (it uses a MW date formatter so we could switch back to 2016-02-24 if we wanted)
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aaronpk the markup it generates is <time class="dt-start dtstart" datetime="2016-02-24 18:30 -08:00">February 24, 2016 18:30</time>–<time class="dt-end dtend" datetime="2016-02-24 19:30 -08:00">19:30</time> (-08:00 UTC)
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aaronpk I personally find that much more readable than what's there right now
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aaronpk <span class="dt-start dtstart"><span class="value" title="November 7, 2018">2018-11-07</span> <span class="value" title="19:00">19:00<span style="display: none;">-08:00</span></span></span>
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sknebel aaronpk: no space before the TZ offset please, otherwise fine
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aaronpk fixed
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Zegnat Those events look really fancy! Any reason it is blending mf1 and mf2 rather than just sticking with mf2?
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aaronpk I didn't change anything regarding the mf1
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Zegnat Just idly wondering if the markup couldn’t be simplified by dropping mf1
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aaronpk definitely could
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aaronpk afaik the only thing consuming that is the h2vx converter
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aaronpk but looking at the ics feed it makes, it looks like it's a bit of a mess right now too
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aaronpk like "DTEND;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20181107T000NaNZ"
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aaronpk or "DTEND;VALUE=DATE-TIME:1930"
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sknebel yeah, I don't think that actually does anything useful
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aaronparecki.com created /2018/Berlin/wrapup (+117) "Created page with "Audio from the wrap-up session of IndieWebCamp Berlin 2018 https://aaronparecki.com/2018/11/18/7/indiewebcamp-berlin"" (view diff)
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aaronpk !tell schmarty feel free to copy this to your this-week feed so it ends up in the main podcast feed too! https://aaronparecki.com/2018/11/18/7/indiewebcamp-berlin
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] IndieWebCamp Berlin 2018 Podcast Summary
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@huffduffer IndieWebCamp Berlin 2018 https://huffduffer.com/aaronpk/512079 (twitter.com/_/status/1064215747310817280)
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@Cambridgeport90 Can anyone be so kind as to offer some examples on web sites of ActivityPub and other examples of IndieWeb in the real world? Somebody was asking me about that last week on a GitHub Issue. (twitter.com/_/status/1064222282669801472)
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@BillSeitz ↩️ @vgr one of the IndieWeb projects? https://indieweb.org/projects (twitter.com/_/status/1064238723255160833)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I agree with @BillSeitz on #IndieWeb @vgr a lot of of options describing what you suggest. You could do @microblogdotcom as turnkey, use a Known sight or WordPress with a bit of work, or Jekyll, or anything you heart desires to spin up. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2bYkQu) (twitter.com/_/status/1064245192822308865)
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@jgmac1106 Bridgy Fed is not the easiest to set up. I never added to my WordPress site actually. You best bet is to stop by the -dev or -WordPress channels on https://chat.indieweb.org (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/8nYa0) (twitter.com/_/status/1064245814627844096)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Stop by Indieweb Chat sometime https://chat.indieweb.org in the Dev or WordPress channels. Bridgy Fed is hard. I never fully set it up. (twitter.com/_/status/1064247978414825473)
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itheorist.com edited /User:Itheorist.com (+296) "/* Itches */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2019-01-01-commitments (+133) "/* See Also */ +cat IndieWeb Commitments, categorytree list" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /Category:IndieWeb_Commitments (+98) "summary" (view diff)
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