#meta 2018-11-26

2018-11-26 UTC
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simonesalis.com edited /chat-names (+137) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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simonesalis.com created /User:Simonesalis.com (+170) "Simone Salis is a radio host and media producer, founder of The Hoomanist: an expanding resource of creative and ethical guidance for creators in a technological society." (view diff)
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kisik21 can I like a wiki page? would it be meaningful?
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[tantek] kisik21 you can "like" any URL
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[tantek] hmm looks like confusion between /Events and https://indieweb.org/events/2018-11-28-homebrew-website-club for this week's HWC
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[tantek] !tell [schmarty] is HWC Baltimore meeting this week?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] !tell dougbeal is HWC Seattle meeting this week?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[schmarty] Ah, yep. I need to make the wiki page
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[tantek] and then we need a list of the steps to manually take to make sure the individual wiki page "shows up"
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[tantek] schmarty, just to confirm, Tuesday or Wednesday?
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[schmarty] Tuesday (tomorrow)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+456) "add presumed HWC bmore event + location specific wiki event page for Tuesday, just SF + Virtual EU for Wednesday" (view diff)
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[tantek] !tell jgmac1106 any HWC New Haven this week?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] Yes, just did post
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: [tantek] left you a message 10 minutes ago: any HWC New Haven this week?
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[jgmac1106] I am confused do we make a wiki page for each week now or do I just keep updating the page I made?
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sknebel [jgmac1106]: which date?
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sknebel generally, new page. but since the automated stuff isn't ready yet, if it is wednesday you can also just add it to https://indieweb.org/events/2018-11-28-homebrew-website-club
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sknebel we don't want to reuse old pages for new dates
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[jgmac1106] last time I made this page: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-11-14-homebrew-website-club-new-haven and linked to it on https://indieweb.org/events/2018-11-14-homebrew-website-club
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[jgmac1106] I figured each HWC, had its own page
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /events/2018-11-14-homebrew-website-club-new-haven (+172) "/* When */ added 11/28" (view diff)
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[eddie] I think eventually you would copy the https://indieweb.org/events/2018-11-14-homebrew-website-club-new-haven page and make a https://indieweb.org/events/2018-11-28-homebrew-website-club-new-haven page
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[eddie] but since the automation for collecting all the individual pages, some people are still just liking from the "weekly page". Once the automation is done, you could create a new page for every event, I believe
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[eddie] but since it's always the same HWC, there shouldn't be many changes when copying/pasting
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[jgmac1106] [gRegorLove] [chrisaldrich] vHWC-Americas?
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[jgmac1106] [eddie], I think really I would like one HWC-New-Haven page and then a template for each HWC held, but happy to do whatever if individual pages will make automation easier
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[eddie] If there was just one HWC New Haven page, then it shouldn't have a date on it
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[eddie] I'm definitely not one to make decisions, as I have nothing to do with it all 🙂
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[jgmac1106] yeah i messed that one up, for now will copy page new date
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[jgmac1106] just thinking of reducing friction for organizers and wiki gardening
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sknebel yeah, since the automation for /Events doesn't exist yet sticking to the old-style pages was less editing for now
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sknebel (also I thought there'd only be the two that had been announced on Friday)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /events/2018-11-28-homebrew-website-club (+553) "/* Where */ added new haven" (view diff)
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sknebel thx
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sknebel sorry for the confusion
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /events/2018-11-28-homebrew-website-club (+128) "/* New Haven */ added link to post" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] what I am doing wrong here: https://indieweb.org/events/2018-11-28-homebrew-website-club#New_Haven looks like I am in a pre
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www.svenknebel.de edited /events/2018-11-28-homebrew-website-club (-1) "/* New Haven */" (view diff)
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sknebel space in front
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sknebel fixed it
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[jgmac1106] Thx
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+56) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is New Haven
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "New Haven" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "New Haven is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] ^^^ [jgmac1106] feel free to stub that page with generic information of what indieweb related things occur (have happened) at New Haven
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[tantek] what is Portland
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Loqi Portland (AKA PDX) is a city in the US state of Oregon, the site of the inaugural IndieWebCamp, annual IndieWeb Summits, and montly Homebrew Website Club Portland meetups https://indieweb.org/Portland
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[tantek] like that
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] we need to get back to having pages for HWC setup by no later than the Friday before, otherwise they don't get included in the newsletter, or Monday morning announcements etc.
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tantek.com edited /events/2018-11-28-homebrew-website-club (+4) "fix heading formatting, link Bmore to its own page" (view diff)
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[tantek] now to see which page [schmarty] creates for HWC Bmore for this week
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[jgmac1106] Unaware there were due dates and deadlines. Those documented anywhere for future reference.
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[tantek] pretty sure zegnat and I documented them on /HWC a while ago but perhaps they are not obvious enough
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[tantek] we were very diligent about a weekly cycle for a while
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martymcgui.re created /events/2018-11-27-homebrew-website-club-baltimore (+3009) "HWC Baltimore for 11/27" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2018-11-28-homebrew-website-club (+10) "/* Baltimore */" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2018-11-27-homebrew-website-club-baltimore (-4) "/* RSVP */ upcoming.org and FB POSSE" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2018-11-27-homebrew-website-club-baltimore (+38) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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[tantek] what are chat-names
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Loqi Chat names is a list of chat regulars sorted by nickname, with their website and usual timezone(s) https://indieweb.org/chat-names
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kisik21 I'm in support of somehow adding pronouns to chatnames and Loqi.
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kisik21 Would be awesome.
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kisik21 Also an awesome thing would be pulling h-cards from our own sites...
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[tantek] as in I think that would be an easier problem to solve than the broader problem of internationalized pronouns in h-card for any language / culture
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kisik21 Yes
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kisik21 definitely
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[tantek] that is, adding just the necessary pronoun to the chat-names template
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[tantek] would be a good example in the wild to cite for microformats also
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martymcgui.re edited /permashortlink (+899) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add myself" (view diff)
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[tantek] kisik21 have you seen / have opinions about https://indieweb.org/pronoun ?
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tantek.com edited /pronoun (+227) "/* FAQ */ personal pronoun?" (view diff)
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kisik21 [tantek]: I think I'll insert <span class="p-x-pronoun-nominative">she</span>/<span class="p-x-pronoun-oblique">her</span>/<span class="p-x-pronoun-posessive">hers</span> in my h-card to signify pronouns right now~!
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[tantek] kisik21 that does seem to be in use by a few folks http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card-brainstorming#Pronouns
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kisik21 Yes
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kisik21 got it from the wiki page
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[tantek] should (can?) we add a "pronoun" field or some specific one to https://indieweb.org/Template:irc_user ?
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[tantek] use-case: Loqi at a minimum would be able to use it in messaging
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kisik21 I think it's a nice idea
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[tantek] gRegorLove thoughts? I think you worked on some of the mechanics of that template
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martymcgui.re edited /short-domains (+210) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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kisik21 tell me via Loqi if something needs my action. As for now, sleep well, IndieWeb
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tantek.com edited /short-domains (+169) "/* Domains */ add re with indieweb example schmarty" (view diff)
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[tantek] schmarty does your post permalink design limit you to one post per second?
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[schmarty] tantek: it does! i have decided, philosophically, that i appreciate this limitation. :}
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[tantek] I almost did that but then decided not to because I figured some day I'd have passive (semi-)automated post(s) that could occur sometimes more than once a second
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[schmarty] it makes sense! there's also a chance that posts simply collide in time (e.g. an ownyourswarm post arrives as i am posting something else from a venue).
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[tantek] right - that was one of the motivations for separate explicit post type codes
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[tantek] there some additional design background here: http://tantek.com/w/Whistle#howdothetshortURLswork
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[schmarty] i decided to roll the dice and fix up any collisions like that by hand. and w.r.t. multiple posts per second: i don't think i should be publishing that often to my site, for now!
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[tantek] I've been saving "g" for checkin for this reason
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[schmarty] haha oh yeah i remember these.
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[tantek] if I setup ownyourgram I might also use "p" for those
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[schmarty] i read a lot of your URL design writing back when i was designing my current site.
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[tantek] in general I think having type-less permalinks are better
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[tantek] but this was my thinking at the time - to partition the space of permalinks, *just in case* the different types had very different posting, caching, storage, hosting behaviors
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[tantek] that required URL level knowledge / switching
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[tantek] that list is ~8 years old and likely needs re-assesment
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[schmarty] they have tradeoffs! i ended up going with timestamp-based URLs in part because i liked how easy it made it to do shortlinks. these days i sometimes wish my URL slug offered hints about the post they represent.
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[schmarty] when i switch over to hugo, posts with titles will have meaningful slugs, but i'll also set up aliases to redirect the timestamp URL to the new URL.