#meta 2018-11-30

2018-11-30 UTC
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aaronpk
Haven't totally caught up but has anyone discussed using gender neutral or ambiguous names? Tho I kind of like the mnemonic idea. I've always been confused with Alice and bob, too hard to keep track of who is doing what once you get a few sentences in.
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Loqi
aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 1 week ago: there's a number of tweets in this thread that are perhaps worth follow-up to now that we have social readers (and an increasingly accessible /Reader page) that are able to more than replace Google Reader, and demonstrate why RSS alone was never enough, and never the point: https://twitter.com/mgsiegler/status/311992206716203008
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Loqi
aaronpk: jgmac1106 left you a message 1 day, 12 hours ago: ,eddie, gRegorlove please look at https://indieweb.org/wikifying and feel free to revert anything or fix it.
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aaronpk
o.O have I really not said anything here for a week
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[tantek]
it's ok aaronpk, we got along ok 🙂
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[tantek]
aaronpk, re: gender neutral or ambiguous names, I think that could make a nice ideal all things being equal, however in the context of technical specifications (which are predominantly written by and implemented by men), any gender ambiguity would likely be interpreted as male due to context.
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Loqi
Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-11-30.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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aaronpk
Very true
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[tantek]
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jacky
I'm uploading my screenshots of Path for Android since I can't sleep
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Zegnat
Re: gender neutral names; I think it is helpful for reading flow to also have possessive pronouns available. That means either you use “their” for everyone, or you are forced to put a his/her along the name anyway.
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Zegnat
Re: Bechdel’s test; interesting idea. A lot of roleplaying rule books use female pronouns by default, even though the majority of readers (and writers?) are male. So why wouldn’t we in tech be able to do the same :D
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[jgmac1106]
I just use they as singular now, easier
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[jgmac1106]
[manton] you might want to get the tix system up soon and maybe charge the nominal $10...we had a 80-85 no show rate in NYC..wanna see if nominal fee alleviates ....I think existing HWC and repeat conference will lead to lower rate too
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[jgmac1106]
I used ti.to wasn't bad
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[manton]
Last year I think we did $5 on Eventbrite. I should check what the no-show rate was... Definitely a bunch of people who missed it.
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[jgmac1106]
Like I said we will sponsor at $200 level, once you put up microdot.blog, logo I will add mine, I will need to add my university logo as a sponsor as well for time and travel money
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[jgmac1106]
Two months out from now we may have some people who may want to apply for travel funds for Austin. [tantek] [tmiller] [aaronpk] need to revisit setting up info...maybe a template section that can be added to any IWC page
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[jgmac1106]
welll unless you get a bigger breakfast bar sponsor, I call dibs...more money always bumps dibs
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[manton]
Thanks again!
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[jgmac1106]
yeah who knows with ReVIEW maybe I will be even able to demo the public instance that will have mf2 for h-review and use FrancisCMS to create a teacher portfolio system.....gots some pretty packed sprints between now in Feb so not sure I will make it
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[jgmac1106]
and micro.blog can trump all dibs
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[tantek]
Manton I think $5 or even $10 is totally ok to charge for a weekend event that is run all volunteer. It’ll help with food budget and maybe even a bit for preparty
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[tantek]
Also it’ll likely have less % no shows
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[tantek]
who's excited for day 1 of the indieweb 2018-12 challenge tomorrow?
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jgmac1106
gimme 3 days to finish my migration… byt 1/1/2019 I want to be WordPress free
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jgmac1106
30* grrrr
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[eddie]
:raised_hand:
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[jgmac1106]
[manton] there are some people who do not like eventbrite having their data
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jgmac1106
I thought we documented it somewhere…looking for page
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[manton]
Okay, I'm certainly not tied to Eventbrite. It was convenient last year for some reason.
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[tantek]
Oh yeah major bad change to Eventbrite TOS last year
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sknebel
which was rolled back though
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[tantek]
pretty sure it's on /Eventbrite - they hid a clause about owning all the media you take during your event
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[tantek]
sknebel, O RLY? citation? update /Eventbrite accordingly?
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sknebel
citation is on /Eventbrite...
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[tantek]
lol autolinking of the ellipsis
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[tantek]
sknebel++ thanks - that's worth restructuring into a resolve issue
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Loqi
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[tantek]
hard to believe the article is such a stub
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jgmac1106
glad to see the recall of ToS..but someone thought it a good idea..ti.to wasn’t bad, wonder if they’d let us make a template event. should atleast provide a header banner on /logo for organizers who may not have editing skills…my banner looked crappy but it was just one more thing to do
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aaronpk
we have a tito account already, happy to give more people access to it
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[tantek]
aaronpk, how hard is it for someone else to clone the template for one of our tito events at events.indieweb.org and establish it? e.g. /2019/austin
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[tantek]
sorry I got that wrong. it's yyyy . indieweb.org
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aaronpk
it could use some documentation but it's https://github.com/indieweb/2018.indieweb.org
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aaronpk
marty made the one for baltimore
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[tantek]
that's worth expanding upon, because we're likely to keep using it for summits, and it may help to have a consistent sign-up flow to our camp events
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[tantek]
so does every event need to be its own repo in the indieweb org? or is there a way to make it one repo and just have different folders for each event?
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aaronpk
it's not super well organized, but it's one repo per year, one file per event
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aaronpk
(technically a little more than one file but that can also be tweaked)
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aaronpk
I originally made this repo for just the 2016 summit but then added stuff to it for the next IWC and never got around to refactoring it to make it easier to use
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[jgmac1106]
we would then be technically storing email addresses, is there a privacy policy somewhere if use a common ti.to account? Using organizers individual accounts may make better sense in terms of privacy laws and not having a formal org
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[tantek]
I don't think we've used email addresses for anything other than contacting people up to an event, about the event.
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[tantek]
We could formalize that.
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[tantek]
Maybe a final "thank you and congrats" email after an event that links to the session notes and videos, and encourages folks to stay in touch on the chat
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[tantek]
and note that this is the final email they'll get from this event registration because we don't like when we're bothered by marketingy emails so we're not going to bother them 🙂
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[tantek]
link to upcoming events for next six months etc, perhaps encouraging folks to sign-up for another indiewebcamp to keep their momentum going
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aaronpk
marc does a good job of that. I should try to dig up an email
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[tantek]
yes exactly
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[tantek]
worth prototyping an email based on that
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[tantek]
I have his from BT Berlin, and Joschi's was also great from a11yclub
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aaronpk
just made https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org with stub pages and minimal instructions
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Loqi
Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-11-30.html
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Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-11-30.html
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[tantek]
schmarty++ for HWC Baltimore! Great showing!
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Loqi
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[schmarty]
it was [jonathanprozzi] bringing in some lovely new DHF folks!
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[schmarty]
(Digital Harbor Foundation, where we host HWC Baltimore)
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[tantek]
co-organizer right? who'll keep it going in December etc.?
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[schmarty]
that's the plan! rhea was there, too, and politely tolerated our suggestion that she become the new co-organizer with jonathan. maybe it'll happen!
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Loqi
😄
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[tantek]
schmarty hopefully you can confirm and update https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Baltimore 🙂
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[tantek]
Also I'm looking for a co-organizer for SF in 2019
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[tantek]
Would help a lot. Jacky perhaps?
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[schmarty]
[jonathanprozzi] ^^ let's chat w/ rhea on the Dec 11 HWC Baltimore about making it official and adding her to /HWC#Baltimore and /Baltimore!
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jacky
[tantek]: I think I'm up for that!
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jacky
re: co-organizer in SF
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jacky
I kinda also wanted to have one in Oakland too but it's too close
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jacky
maybe soon
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[tantek]
jacky - would be awesome to see you start one in Oakland too or instead!
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[tantek]
I'm trying to get one off the ground in Mountain View on alternating weeks
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[tantek]
jacky, can you make it to HWC 2018-12-12?
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jacky
I'll aim to
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[tantek]
at least I posted the event well in advance this time 🙂
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[tantek]
we were so close to matching 2017 HWC days! https://indieweb.org/Template:Homebrew_Website_Club
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[tantek]
huh I was expecting Loqi to do one more newsletter rebuild like 14:50 before it went out today at 15:00
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[tantek]
did that not happen?
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aaronpk
oh I think the newsletter is still on the wrong timezone
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aaronpk
so the last regen was an hour early
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[tantek]
but it got posted at the right time
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[tantek]
so I'm confused. different parts of Loqi use different time code?
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aaronpk
yeah cause that's mailchimp polling the RSS feed
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aaronpk
Loqi just generates an XML file and mailchimp picks it up at 15:10
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