#meta 2019-02-12

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[jgmac1106] [aaronpk] let me know what I need to do get the newhaven page to reflect my edits
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aaronpk where are the edits?
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Loqi aaronpk: petermolnar left you a message 14 hours, 57 minutes ago: when you want to change email address in the wiki, it says "Unknown error in PHP's mail() function."
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aaronpk (beat me to it but yeah the wiki doesn't do anything with email addresses, no idea how yours even got in there in the first place)
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tantek.com edited /Firefox (+446) "note actual shutdowns, add Persona, also Verify Me add-on" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Web_Authentication (+366) (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/blob/master/templates/newhaven/schedule.php
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[jgmac1106] thought I was current with master..but not the best at GitHub
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/blob/master/public/newhaven.php is pulling content from austin
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aaronpk that's the problem
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aaronpk look at line 2
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[jgmac1106] an extra closing tag
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[jgmac1106] ohh nvm I was in wrong file okay
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+83) "Possibly Amsterdam in September, update a few 2018s to 2019" (view diff)
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[tantek] !tell frank,tonz,Zegnat,petermolnar,sknebel and anyone else in Europe, WDYT of an IWC Amsterdam the weekend of September 28-29? Would you be available to co-organize or can you suggest anyone else to help co-organize? Add thoughts here? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Amsterdam
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+9) "/* Amsterdam */ 2019" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /content_management_system (+237) "/* Examples */ micro.blog; added Webmention to TYPO3; link to building blocks; Craft 2 webmention plugin; fixed Drupal building blocks links for parallelism" (view diff)
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aaronpk [jgmac1106]: if you send a PR and someone approves it it can be merged and it will update the site automatically
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[tantek] hey aaronpk what happened to the M-with-the-downarrow logo for Micropub?
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[jgmac1106] ummmmm...I just took the websub logo and flipped it upside down becuase there wasn't a micropub one
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[tantek] wat
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aaronpk It was never supposed to be the logo
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tantek.com edited /FOSDEM (+324) "dfn, link to site, note Google sponsorship, IndieWeb participation, add 2019 section" (view diff)
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@microbitch2017 ↩️ @StormlightTech @ShortShadyBlog Yep, not working at all. I'm using a different plugin though, as documented on the #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1095130890374733824)
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tantek.com edited /FOSDEM (+56) "tweets for 2019 participants" (view diff)
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[tantek] aaronpk thought there was a micropub sticker with it though
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[jgmac1106] luckily a W upside down is an M...though wish the arrow went the other way
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boffosocko.com edited /web_hosting (+17) "/* Custom domain silos */ M.b podcast; tumblr link" (view diff)
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[tantek] 🙂 https://www.amazon.com/NEONBLOND-Small-Bike-Bell-Micropub/dp/B078398KJT
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[tantek] aaronpk you need this on your bicycle 😂
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[tantek] ah it's an open issue: https://github.com/indieweb/branding/issues/11
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Loqi [aaronpk] #11 Micropub hex sticker
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[tantek] oh hey does Loqi have Github access?
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[tantek] I mean:
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[tantek] https://github.com/indieweb/branding/issues/11 << https://www.amazon.com/NEONBLOND-Small-Bike-Bell-Micropub/dp/B078398KJT
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "https://github.com/indieweb/branding/issues/11" or similar
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Loqi [aaronpk] #11 Micropub hex sticker
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[tantek] oh dear I think none of the Tutorial pages are findable because of the : in the start
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[tantek] mediawiki think "/Tutorial:_" means you want a page in the "Tutorial" **namespace** ugh
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[tantek] which means it doesn't get searched by default
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[tantek] namespaces--
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Loqi namespaces has -1 karma in this channel over the last year (-2 in all channels)
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[tantek] gah what a mess
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[tantek] if anyone wants to rename (AKA "Move") those pages to non-colon versions that would be great
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[tantek] all the links from https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started#Tutorials
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tantek.com edited /Firefox (+140) "/* IndieWeb Add-ons */ provide a search link in case more show up" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] sorry I didn't knwo, I just took a tutorial, changed url and copy pasted
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[tantek] right, you did the right thing [jgmac1106] - not your fault
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[tantek] and it took me until *now* to spot it. j12t posted those other Tutorials ages ago at those URLs
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[tantek] clearly we need something which is three onramps already on Getting Started
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[jgmac1106] Yeah and I think this can allow us to avoid the trickiness of homepage redesign
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[jgmac1106] Happy to sit down in Austin and bang it out or work on it with you next two weeks
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[tantek] no it won't allow us to avoid anything. it will allows us to start prototyping parts of it
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[tantek] we still need better onboarding from the homepage period
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[jgmac1106] Good point. But the more I think about it the more I like your idea
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] the problem you are running into is that the existing /Getting_Started page was only directed at columns 2 & 3 which had a lot of overlap.
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[jgmac1106] We have the three levels, tools, wiki links, tutorial links, limitations
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[tantek] There really was no consideration for column 1 because we just didn't have any turnkey solutions for a long time
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[tantek] so when you tried to find a place to fit it in, of course you didn't find any place that made sense
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[jgmac1106] Oh yes I know and I am deliberately pushing I know this as well.. On both the wiki and hacks to everyday platforms
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[jgmac1106] But I think we should talk about what is possible with platforms and tools like Bridgy to give a taste
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] one problem with just a flat list is that it's unclear if they are orthogonal choices or if you're expected to do them all
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[tantek] one-by-one
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[tantek] lists have that ambiguity
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[tantek] whereas with the table, at least it was clear you picked one cell in the table and did that
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[jgmac1106] Yeah thus my Austin goal I want to turn my slide deck into one of those guides and a chat bot script
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[tantek] it was easier to read / understand, even if it was harder to edit / update.
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[tantek] but design is about making it easier to read / understand. not about making it easier for the designer.
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[jgmac1106] I get that... It was really Column A
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[tantek] anyway I'm not sure how to revert now without losing content
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[jgmac1106] If the platforms rather than shared host were in column A would have been easy problem
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[tantek] using the word "platforms" is not helping
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[tantek] it means too many different things to too many different people
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[jgmac1106] The tutorials are all separate pages you can delete linka
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[tantek] what is a platform
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Loqi A platform in the context of software/services is a collection of related APIs/protocols/formats that can be used to build sites/apps, and sometimes misleadingly used to refer to apps themselves, or suites of apps, to exaggerate their sense of importance, value, or impact https://indieweb.org/platform
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[jgmac1106] Blogging tool then, or no name just a list of tools in A, the shared hosting could then b its own column
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[tantek] a blogging tool is not a platform SMH
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[jgmac1106] You know what I mean. Leave the column unlabeled or revert back to the old one don't want to get back to this anyways
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[jgmac1106] But you can revert. All the tutorials are their own pages and most are just links to my blog or archive.9rg videos I made
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[jgmac1106] Was just thinking proof of concept on terms of building in the three pathways
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GWG Packing my suitcase for Indiewebcamp Austin
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[tantek] I think there are some key expansions and clarifications we can and should make to the Code of Conduct, particularly inspired by the XOXO conference Code of Conduct last year, as well as distinguishing people vs. things.
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I spent day hacking on Blogger adding microformats so it can play with #IndieWeb tools. In terms of syndication POSSE copies with IFTT best I can do for now, but still blogger with webmentions and a social reader is awesome… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/12/alexstubenbort-i-spent-day-hacking-on (twitter.com/_/status/1095159685009891328)
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[tantek] Nice work [jgmac1106] . Also you hit three channels with one tweet 😂
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aaronpk For the sake of demonstration purposes, someone besides me should approve and merge this pull request, and it should deploy the change automatically https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/11
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Loqi [jgmac1106] #11 Update newhaven.php
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@jgmac1106 Check out the post #edtechafterdark https://drmacsspot.blogspot.com/2019/02/blog-post_88.html I know it isn't the best #IndieWeb solution but many of you have to use @Blogger for achool policies reasons. Atleast you can own your tweets and get webmentions http://bit.ly/2By6r71 (twitter.com/_/status/1095162665184440320)
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[jgmac1106] tantek I wish there was someway I could set a mute time for myself
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[jgmac1106] my chats are regularly scheduled
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[tantek] You can set mute time in Slack I’m pretty sure
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[eddie] aaronpk I looked at it, but I don’t have approve authority 🙂 so can’t be me. Haha!
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[jgmac1106] will that reflect on IRC?
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[jgmac1106] I mean I feel bad for everyone else
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aaronpk hmm
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[tantek] Oh you mean muting *you* rather than notifications to you
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aaronpk i was able to approve some random persons pull request on some random repo the other day lol
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[tantek] I wouldn’t worry about it
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[tantek] Wat
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aaronpk I wonder if I can find it
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aaronpk Look! https://github.com/clexmond/omniauth-disqus/pull/2
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Loqi [akiokio] #2 Fix redirect_uri error
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aaronpk Github permissions are so confusing
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aaronpk [eddie]: are you a member of any teams in the indieweb org yet?
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[tantek] Aaronpk maybe random people are granting you superpowers due to your reputation
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GWG SuperIndiewebman...able to approve pull requests in a single click....
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[eddie] aaronpk I’m not a member of any indieweb org teams
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[eddie] So that would be why. Haha! 😆
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[tantek] we have a room confirmed in Berlin on May 3rd for an Organizers meetup! cc: [tmiller]. Thank you Yulia!
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[tantek] Yulia++
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[tantek] now making a wiki page
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tantek.com created /2019/Berlin/Organizers (+6288) "stub based on copy/paste from 2018" (view diff)
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] ok I will try to restore tables in a sensible way that doesn't lose content or de-emphasize micro.blog and turnkey solutions
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+1948) "first attempt at IndieWeb Services vs CMS and Hosting, restore table, add Reclaim Hosting row" (view diff)
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] can you review? ^^^ I tried to maintain everything you added, and restored the table to a CMS and Hosting section: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started#Tutorials
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+0) "/* IndieWeb CMS and Hosting */ fix table heading order" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Organizers/event_pages (+46) "/* Other community events examples */ Mozilla Events" (view diff)
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@btconf 90 days until we meet in #Düsseldorf for #btconf 2019. And even less, if you attend the @indiewebcamp! https://btco.nf/2Q0PBTg Haven’t got a ticket yet? About a ticket per day left – don’t wait too long ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1095246623351992321)
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@sebastiangreger So many great web community events in Germany to look forward to: @btconf, @thinkaboutconf, 2x @IndieWebCampDE and @nueww ...did I miss any? https://sebastiangreger.net/2019/02/events-germany-summer-2019/ (twitter.com/_/status/1095248407751467009)
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@btconf ↩️ Expect some @IndieWebCamp Action in Berlin in November also. Also #btconf Berlin is taking place, so it should be 2x beyond tellerrand in your list ;) Dates? Most likely November 4–6 (plus Side Events around these dates). Just waiting for the final contract. (twitter.com/_/status/1095249052596350976)
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loqi.me created /cluebat (+76) "prompted by petermolnar and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] tantek++
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[jgmac1106] on the wiki edits for Getting Started
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jgmac1106 : !tell tmiller,schmarty,gwg looking at the flurry of activity late Sept is filling with IWC, Wanted to do NYC in Sept before winter look at the calendars and evtns and tll me what you think
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Zegnat sknebel: did you mean to also remove Dietrich’s talk?
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Loqi Zegnat: [tantek] left you a message 11 hours, 15 minutes ago: and anyone else in Europe, WDYT of an IWC Amsterdam the weekend of September 28-29? Would you be available to co-organize or can you suggest anyone else to help co-organize? Add thoughts here? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Amsterdam
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Zegnat IWC Amsterdam in September. Hmmm...
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sknebel Zegnat: no, thx. apparently I accidentally edited an old revision...
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Loqi sknebel: [tantek] left you a message 11 hours, 15 minutes ago: and anyone else in Europe, WDYT of an IWC Amsterdam the weekend of September 28-29? Would you be available to co-organize or can you suggest anyone else to help co-organize? Add thoughts here? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Amsterdam
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www.svenknebel.de edited /FOSDEM (+334) "Undo revision 56715 by [[Special:Contributions/Www.svenknebel.de|Www.svenknebel.de]] ([[User talk:Www.svenknebel.de|talk]])" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Micropub (+110) "w3c logo instead of spec stages, break up intro para. page needs more user-centric clean-up" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 @mrkndvs you won't get the micropub and microsub for social readers with Blogger (yet could be doable with gadgets) @withknown or @microdotblog still better option. Awesome to #IndieWeb blogger since so many teachers and students have to use it. http://bit.ly/2Bw8h8G (twitter.com/_/status/1095309425559175168)
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@EchoChamberUncu RE: Easy IndieWeb Login with WP-Dimension Theme | john https://educationechochamberuncut.wordpress.com/2019/02/12/re-easy-indieweb-login-with-wp-dimension-theme-john/ (twitter.com/_/status/1095316449420365824)
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@jgmac1106 I spent yesterday working on a version of a blogger theme compatible with IndieWeb tools like webmentions. You can see an example here: https://drmacsspot.blogspot.com/ Then using IFTT I syndicate my notes to Twitter and the tweets get displayed back on my blog as comments. Here is an … (twitter.com/_/status/1095319039147159552)
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eddiehinkle.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+315) "/* Virtual Americas */ Update Virtual Americas to go by IndieWeb Meetup terminology to sound less scary" (view diff)
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@EddieHinkle I'm hosting a Virtual IndieWeb Meetup next week. Want to talk about things you've recently done with your website or brainstorm ideas about what you want to do next with it. Come join us for a friendly night about your presence on the internet. (https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/02/12/5/rsvp/) (twitter.com/_/status/1095365552728690688)
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[tantek] Eddie++
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Loqi Eddie has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (85 in all channels)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Great motivation here for "Why IndieWeb" & some interesting thoughts on legacy from someone who's been blogging for years. Great to see another designer & website creator appreciating the immense value that #IndieWeb principles can bring to the web. https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/06/becoming-a-better-writer-thanks-to-the-indieweb-jason-morehead/ (twitter.com/_/status/1095389955977703425)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ While it looks like you don't have webmentions set up or displaying yet, you might try creating an account with http://Webmentions.io and put the endpoint into your head so you can receive them in the erstwhile on a separate service [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/06/becoming-a-better-writer-thanks-to-the-indieweb-jason-morehead/#Jason,%20while%20it%20looks (twitter.com/_/status/1095390581344264192)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+3) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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aaronpk github permissions are so confusing, i can't tell who has permissions to make changes to this repo https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org
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aaronpk hmm "The IndieWeb organization has their default repository permission set to write. This means that every member of this organization has write access to this repository, regardless of the team and collaborator access specified below."
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sknebel and master is protected, so we can't directly write to that
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aaronpk so looks like we can ignore the whole teams thing
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aaronpk ok can someone approve this? https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/11
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Loqi [jgmac1106] #11 Update newhaven.php
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sknebel got two approvals now
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[schmarty] lol i approved it but do not have write access.
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aaronpk omg marty isn't in the org either
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sknebel I can now press the "merge this" button
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aaronpk ok [schmarty] just invited you to the org
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aaronpk ok if someone clicks merge it 'll update the site
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[kevinmarks] I have a merge button
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sknebel clicked
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aaronpk woo worked https://2019.indieweb.org/newhaven
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Loqi IndieWebCamp New Haven
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[eddie] sknebel: thanks for the hidden p-location on the Virtual US. I couldn’t find the appropriate section in text to highlight and didn’t think about throwing in the hidden p-location to clarify.
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[eddie] sknebel++
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[kevinmarks] why is the base map in Russian
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aaronpk lol someone swapped the lat/lng i bet
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aaronpk guess what you can fix it!
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@_yomli Quelques notes sur la refonte de mon site personnel. Ce billet est susceptible de changer au fur et à mesure de mes recherches sur le sujet. L'idée est d'avoir un point d'entrée unique avec mon contenu hébergé chez moi, puis… https://yom.li/microblog/?MG7S9Q #IndieWeb #microblog (twitter.com/_/status/1095403007800459266)
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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/12
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Loqi [kevinmarks] #12 get longitude sign right
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aaronpk nice
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[kevinmarks] I remember an entire mirrored USA in russia
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[tantek] classic lat/long usability error
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[tantek] I feel like that's worth a blog post
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[tantek] as in, if I were to redesign lat long, one thing I'd drop, negative values
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aaronpk umm
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[kevinmarks] I found some like that in the BBC site I am working on
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aaronpk there are plenty of other coordinate systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Coordinate_systems
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[tantek] people are taught 0-360 degrees in school more than they're taught -180 to 180
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aaronpk sorry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Geographic_coordinate_systems
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[tantek] aaronpk meh do any of them address usability and data error rates?
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[kevinmarks] I have a newfound respect for mercator now i'm using it in the right domain
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aaronpk [tantek]: i wouldn't dismiss the efforts of an entire industry so quickly
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[kevinmarks] you have N and E co-ordinates in metres and can calculate distances and angles the obvious way
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[tantek] Point is, the usability of formats, specifically with respect to frequency of error introduction, is not something most "technical" and format designer folks actually seem to consider
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[tantek] DRY violations are another example
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[tantek] aaronpk, I'd prefer to dismiss, provide a concrete (counter-)example, and then have someone correct me
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aaronpk hm is this another example for the openwashing page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Location_Code
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aaronpk that's a very antagonistic approach
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[tantek] science makes progress by the proposal of contrary theories as well as incremental changes
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[tantek] OLC appears fairly open "licensed under the Apache License 2.0. and available on GitHub"
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[tantek] only question I'd ask is who controls errata and updates to the spec?
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aaronpk it's just another thing google magicked from their minds
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aaronpk not actually developed in the open
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[tantek] yes, AKA delayed open
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[tantek] TOU looks decent though - so short! https://plus.codes/terms
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[kevinmarks] geohash is shorter
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[kevinmarks] newbase60 seems like a good fit as you'd have a char for minutes and seconds
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[kevinmarks] so you could encode the coarse latlong in one char, then have the degrees, minutes and seconds as alternating chars, then add 60th of seconds if desired
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sknebel Google documented some of their reasoning in comparison to others: https://github.com/google/open-location-code/wiki/Evaluation-of-Location-Encoding-Systems
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[kevinmarks] longitude sign errors can be less obvious in the UK
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aaronpk lol
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[kevinmarks] same problem with UTC - if you're coding in the winter you can forget to use timezone offsets.
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[tantek] aaronpk, yes, "delayed open" is a valid criticism, literally the very first point of my post about this years ago! (see the "Anti-pattern" call-out here: http://tantek.com/2011/168/b1/practices-good-open-web-standards-development#develop-openly )
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[tantek] oh Eran moved his blog to Medium. 😞
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[tantek] aaronpk, here's an early (2010) citation for "delayed-open" https://web.archive.org/web/20160404120645/http://hueniverse.com/2010/05/28/open-vs-fast-good-vs-evil-google-vs-facebook/ - "Google is hoping to get away with doing more work delayed-open" - so yeah, delayed-open may be a common cultural thread inside Google.
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[tantek] anyway, much more "social web" etc. history worth reading if you haven't seen that post before
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[tantek] re: "dismiss the efforts of an entire industry so quickly" <-- that's kind of what we did when proposing BarCamp, we kind of dismissed the efforts of an entire event-planning industry to dare claim we could organize successful events even conferences with a completely different model *without* any "event planning experts / professionals"
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[tantek] also found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_geocoding_systems
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[tantek] gosh darnit now you have me thinking about iterating on OctalGeo accordingly (KevinMarks was very warm with his NewBase60 comment)
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[tantek] Kevinmarks, do you have or know of a blog post that shows how lack (or mistaken) negative signs on lat/long coordinates cause noise in geo data?
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[tantek] I feel like I've seen plots of such data that show mirror images of cities and countries in other spots around the world, in the middle of oceans etc. yet can't find anything from trying to web search for it
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[tantek] vaguely remembering, meta icbm tags, "geourl"
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[tantek] maybe it was Joshua himself that presented on GeoURL and showed plots of the reversed and negative-sign-missing values?
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[tantek] maybe snarfed remembers, I found https://snarfed.org/geourl 🙂
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[tantek] top result searching for "geourl.org"
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[tantek] ok aaronpk, geo trivia question, which is canonical, 180 longitude, or -180 longitude (since they're equivalent)?
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aaronpk I don't think there is an easy answer to that
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[tantek] prior art, looks like OLC sets their 0,0 to south pole (-90) and anti-meridian (-180)
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chrisaldrich tantek: when you created /Groupware did you mean to add that link which has completely different content on it now than it did originally? (Compare with https://web.archive.org/web/20050217051819/http://www.jwz.org:80/doc/groupware.html)
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chrisaldrich It does make an interesting historical statement though...
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[kevinmarks] I think it was joshua, yes
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[tantek] chrisaldrich, not completely different, just a big yellow warning header on current page. scroll down and you'll see the same contents on the current page as in the web archive link you shared
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[kevinmarks] from https://web.archive.org/web/20040204183820/http://geourl.org/ you can see some longitude flipped us points
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chrisaldrich ha! for some reason it didn't scroll the other day and I finally got around to looking at the archived original this morning...
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[kevinmarks] http://www.interconnected.org/notes/2004/02/etcon/thu_am_geourl.txt
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[kevinmarks] “funny map. deviantart.com geocoded all of their users. there's a huge diagonal line across the map where people have typed in the same number twice for lat/long.
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[kevinmarks] there are also densities in the US and europe... but also tibet: the ghost blogs of tibet. it looks like the US, flipped. people transposing lat and long.”
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[tantek] good find
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[tantek] kevinmarks++
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Loqi kevinmarks has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (34 in all channels)
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[kevinmarks] same day: http://tantek.com/log/2004/02.html#d11
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[kevinmarks] i remember parsing geourl at technorati too
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[kevinmarks] http://microformats.org/wiki/location-formats#GeoUrl
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[tantek] kevinmarks, apparently I didn't post the slides from our talk until 15 years ago today: http://tantek.com/log/2004/02.html#d12t0012
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[tantek] TIL today, how to "type" overbar numbers, useful for their mathematical meaning, e.g. 7̅
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[kevinmarks] lot of dead links in that preso
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[tantek] slightly more obvious / meaningful: 0.6̅ == 2/3
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[kevinmarks] isn't that a dot?
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[tantek] kevinmarks, yeah, lots of deadlinks from my old blog posts. not sure how I'm going to repair them
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[tantek] hah kevinmarks that's UK vs US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_decimal#Notation
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[kevinmarks] 0.6̇
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[kevinmarks] hm, the dot is lost in this font
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@scottmathson IndieWeb is amazing. Said it once, will say it again. Awesome to see such adoption of things like webmention, POSSE, and notes. Going to revisit. https://twitter.com/scottmathson/status/918514084923949056 (twitter.com/_/status/1095436136321671168)
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[tantek] thread (not as criticism of Mastodon, but as example community challenges, bottlenecks, handling etc.) https://writing.exchange/@alxd/101575092509855061
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Loqi [alxd writes] I made up my mind: I will no longer attempt to contribute to or promote #mastodon .After a few days I cannot get any specific information why one of my features was reverted : https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/9988This is the last straw af...
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tantek.com edited /Persona (+352) "/* Shutdowns */ add more post-mortem links" (view diff)
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[tantek] 5.5 days until IRL Podcast episode on decentralized web is released, likely at https://irlpodcast.org/season4/episode6
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2019-02-18 2:25am PST (#6485)
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@wschenk An Introduction to the IndieWeb https://buff.ly/2trMOJD https://t.co/cSAHb2TDpS (twitter.com/_/status/1095450478392082432)
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