#meta 2019-02-18

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@rubygems
indieweb-post_types-identifier-bookmark (1.0.0): IndieWeb Bookmark Post Type Discovery for Microformats 2 JSON. https://rubygems.org/gems/indieweb-post_types-identifier-bookmark
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coty.design
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@aaronpk
↩️ @alexbuzzbee Don't worry, it gets more fun once you start getting into using Micropub apps! https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients
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boffosocko.com
edited /Pinboard (+173) "see also: bookmark; Tweaked IndieWeb examples to remove layer of headings for parity with other similar pages; history; pagelogo"
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@ChrisAldrich
↩️ @dshanske Have you gotten this far with your work on the Post Kinds plugin? I know you wanted to import your Pinboard account, but I'm not sure if you've got infrastructure for the import piece. Any other ideas #IndieWeb? https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/17/55743921/
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@jgmac1106
The state of #OER learning tools, well there isn't a state, there is a kick ass team and all t by e teachers behind Moodle and a bunch of bloggers. #IndieWeb has already built most of the tools the second group needs and the first is more than welcome… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/18/the-state-of-oer-learning-tools-well
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@jgmac1106
↩️ The point is we stay in control. Keeping #OER in HTML/CSS provides most equitable path for global south. The large open orgs can grow as complex as any social media silo. #OER begins with #DoOO and the #IndieWeb tools connected with microformats can… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/18/the-point-is-we-stay-in-control
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@frankmeeuwsen
Op 18 en 19 mei vindt IndieWebCamp Utrecht plaats. Wat kun je er verwachten? https://diggingthedigital.com/wat-is-indiewebcamp/
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@rubygems
indieweb-post_types-identifier-read (0.1.0): IndieWeb Read Post Type Discovery for Microformats 2 JSON. https://rubygems.org/gems/indieweb-post_types-identifier-read
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Loqi
IRL Podcast episode on decentralized web is released, likely at https://irlpodcast.org/season4/episode6
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Loqi
Countdown set by [tantek] on 2019-02-12 at 2:25pm PST
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@ton_zylstra
Wat is een #indiewebcamp ? Frank Meeuwsen, legt onze verwachtingen voor #indieweb camp Utrecht (#iwcutrecht) uit. Ben jij er bij op 18 en 19 mei? https://diggingthedigital.com/wat-is-indiewebcamp/ (https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2019/02/6005/)
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@giantpandinha
↩️ @john_weeks I think I just need to start (micro)blogging again. Indieweb style
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@jgmac1106
↩️ bunch of of us working on #IndieWeb suite tools for activist crowd. I can publish events, RSVP, and connect with webmentions not on Facebook. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/Pnxpz)
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Zegnat
[frank]++ for the clear description of what to expect of an IWC!
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Loqi
[frank] has 3 karma over the last year
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[Rose]
frank++,tonz++ for organising IWC Utrecht!
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Loqi
frank has 4 karma over the last year
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[Rose]
tonz++
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Loqi
tonz has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (7 in all channels)
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[Rose]
pats Loqi
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@jgmac1106
↩️ We can send webmention badges from the #IndieWeb wiki. Sometimes a little recognition goes a long way in supporting gardeners.Might be something to fool around with. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1plbgB)
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@jgmac1106
↩️ and the place for half baked thoughts belong in a chat room and on the blogs of authors and community members. One thing #IndieWeb gets right is the integration of the wiki with the chat and the distributed thinking done out loud on blogs. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1wGSfC)
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@jgmac1106
I need to play Battleship with my son but here is an example of a webmention badge form the wiki back to my blog: https://indieweb.org/toolbuilder-badge-jgmac1106 and then displayed: https://archive.jgregorymcverry.com/badges/ think there is mad potential for community and wikis with webmention… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/18/i-need-to-play-battleship-with-my
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rosemaryorchard.com
edited /IndieWebCamps (+2) "/* IndieWebCamp Utrecht 2019 */ Add Utrecht"
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kevinmarks.com
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kevinmarks.com
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[schmarty]
Today's IRL podcast covers Mastodon, Graphite Docs, and Maidsafe. tantek's suggestions for IndieWeb made it into the show notes tho!
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[schmarty]
"Decentralization efforts are proof that the age of internet innovation is far from over. In fact, Mozilla staff work tirelessly on decentralized web standards, which have been — and continue to be — widely adopted."
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[schmarty]
"Mozilla co-chaired the W3C Social Web Working Group 2014 through 2018, which produced several key decentralized social web standards. Some have dozens of implementations like: - Webmention (a standard for federating conversations across the decentralized web); and - MicroPub (a standard API for client applications to post to decentralized web services)."
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[schmarty]
"Check out IndieWeb.org for more on key decentralized web standards, and ‘become a citizen’ of the Indie Web."
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[schmarty]
"As a part of Mozilla’s dedication to decentralized innovation, Mozilla participated in the 2018 Decentralized Web Summit: - See our Founder and Executive Chairwoman Mitchell Baker’s talk on revitalizing the web; - Hear Tantek Çelik, Web Standards Lead, speak on taking back your content with practical decentralization steps; and - Watch Chris Riley, Head of Policy, lead a web panel on decentralization."
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[schmarty]
"So, are you inspired? Want to work on the decentralized web? Join Mozilla at one of these events: - Feb 23-24, 2019: IndieWebCamp Austin - Mar 30-31, 2019: IndieWebCamp New Haven - May 4-5, 2019: IndieWebCamp Berlin - June 29-30, 2019: IndieWeb Summit in Portland - Questions about participating? Ask here."
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[schmarty]
lots of good links in
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[schmarty]
Now to see if it shows up on the website for the podcast 😂
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@iamchrisburnell
I will be attending https://2019.indieweb.org/online My first IndieWebCamp! Can’t wait.
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@_yomli
Vous savez ce qui manque à Peertube ? Un simple gestionnaire de flux RSS. Vous ne pouvez pas suivre une chaîne si votre instance n'est pas connectée à la première. Par contre chaque chaine a un flux R… https://yom.li/microblog/?MR37Mg #Peertube #Youtube #Twitter #Mastodon #IndieWeb
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[tantek]
Aaronpk any way to see how much traffic bump we get from the show notes?
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[tantek]
Also there should be a bunch of hyperlinks in there. Was any of that linked [schmarty] ?
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aaronpk
I think I have google analytics on the wiki
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aaronpk
I haven't looked at this in a long time
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aaronpk
https://i.imgur.com/Cmks6HF.png Good data on which pages we should make sure are in good shape
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[tantek]
Wow good thing we spent a bunch of time updating Getting Started!
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[tantek]
Also curious so many find site deaths
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[tantek]
Is there a list of top search terms that are leading people to the site? Perhaps we can help document what they’re searching for?
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GWG
aaronpk, did we settle what I need to bring m
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aaronpk
GWG stuff for one room remote participation
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aaronpk
if we use Jitsi I can cover a second room with my iPad setup and stream it to YouTube too
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aaronpk
I also have main room streaming rig for recording intros and demos
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aaronpk
Show notes look good! Also realized that referers won't show up from clicking these within the app
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aaronpk
I'll have to create a custom query in GA to look at those pages individually
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://mxstbr.com/thoughts/css-in-js/" to the "See Also" section of /js;dr https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56848&oldid=56582
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[schmarty]
tantek: yep, the links didn't come through in the chat but there were lots of links in the IRL podcast show notes.
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[tantek]
Great. Now's a good time to make sure those pages are all at a minimum full up to date, and hopefully look good too!
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[schmarty]
links include /Micropub , /Webmention , homepage, spec.indieweb.org, and indiewebify.me
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[tantek]
yay the IRL link is up!
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Loqi
yay!
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[davidmead]
When I read posts like that jacky I just hear “why can’t I do everything in the thing I know” - disheartening
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[schmarty]
yep, it was dropped in chat by jacky and others but i wanted to have it here also
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[tantek]
davidmead I thought the post was reasonably calmly/rationally written, and described & addressed *common* challenges of CSS maintenance
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[tantek]
I might even bring up the problems as described to the CSSWG f2f next week
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[davidmead]
tantek it’s not as vehement as some, but just quotes like
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[davidmead]
> I cannot expect all team members, particularly juniors, to have an encyclopedic understanding of CSS
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[davidmead]
make me bristle
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[davidmead]
> On top of that, deadlines can get in the way of quality.
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[davidmead]
flip it and I can say the same for JS
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[tantek]
lol schmarty
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[tantek]
davidmead indeed! arbitrary use of JS has similar and worse problems
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[tantek]
maybe this is more #dev
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[davidmead]
and if the JS fails I got no content, so having no styling too won’t make much difference 😜
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[tantek]
true. JS is more fragile.
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[tantek]
I see the article primarily useful as a critique of "classical" use of CSS in projects, the problems pointed out are real problems that frankly CSS (community, experts etc.) should figure out a way to solve
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martymcgui.re
edited /photo_reply (+210) "/* IndieWeb Examples */"
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[davidmead]
I agree with that part tantek
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boffosocko.com
edited /annotation (+132) "/* See Also */ article Exploring the UX of web-annotations"
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[Rose]
Whoops!
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tantek.com
created /article_reply (+1631) "based on question in chat from davidmead, stub with dfn, indieweb example, see also"
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[tantek]
how is the indieweb more than just nostalgia? https://t.me/omsays/385
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aaronpk
That opens the telegram app?
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[tantek]
not on my laptop
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[tantek]
perhaps Telegram app when you install it takes over the t dot me domain?
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aaronpk
Guess so
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aaronpk
and I don't have an act so it's making me sign up
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aaronpk
Oh hey they finally accepted my google voice number
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petermolnar
oh, that is wrong; since when is telegram allowing public, web-present posting?
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petermolnar
I never got that part... I genuinely wish there were things with a frozen feature set, especially IMs.
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@Petersell
Made my homepage by means of #asciidoc: http://www.petersell.de. Now this pure HTML site must learn #indieweb and #fediverse. But how?
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aaronpk
If that were true we never would have had Twitter
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[tantek]
Wondering if this is something worth documenting about reposting, like reasons why, avoid plagiarizing: https://laughspin.com/fuck-jerry-comedians-boycott/
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[tantek]
More: https://www.vulture.com/2019/02/fuck-jerry-instagram-comedians-unfollow-campaign-elliot-tebele.html "viewers just assumed it was stolen, is also an example of something else: It still feels like the norm to swipe someone else’s online content without permission or payment rather than to pay for it. For that assumption we can largely thank the megapopular Instagram accounts @thefatjewish and @fuckjerry"
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tantek.com
edited /article_reply (+386) "apparently I did fix article replys to tweets to actually thread the POSSE tweet properly, found 2015 example"
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loqi.me
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kartikprabhu.com
edited /article_reply (+273) "/* IndieWeb Examples */"
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tantek.com
edited /Micropub (+124) "use micropub logo from https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Plugins. make it prettier"
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[tantek]
well that's a start
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aaronpk
wow yeah that page is rough
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[tantek]
hey aaronpk even you used the micropub rocks logo 😛 https://slides.aaronparecki.com/2017/indieweb-summit/#/16
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[tantek]
hey why isn't websub on https://spec.indieweb.org/
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tantek.com
edited /WebSub (+292) "use logo from Websub.rocks, clarify Websub development"
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aaronpk
Good question!
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aaronpk
Not sure how we missed that
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[tantek]
ask aj 🙂
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Loqi
[tantek] #2 +WebSub
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[schmarty]
tantek: URL typo (trailing slash 404s)
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[tantek]
updated patch
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[schmarty]
reviewed, merged, branch deleted!
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aaronpk
And it's live! With no involvement from me! :-)
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[tantek]
automation++
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Loqi
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[tantek]
https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients still needs a bunch more screenshots, especially of some of the simple posting UIs, just for posting a note etc.
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loqi.me
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tantek.com
edited /Micropub/Clients (+190) "expand, detail screenshot request"
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aaronpk
You can use that indigenous screenshot ^^
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aaronpk
I can't edit the page rn
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[tantek]
yes that's nice!
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@diessicode
↩️ if u are concerned about audience reach/growth, u can always ~Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere~ https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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[tantek]
ok that's funny I'm seeing strikethrough where the person used tildas
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[tantek]
looks fine in the logs. I blame Slack 😛
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[tantek]
so that's a markdown fail
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Loqi
Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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[tantek]
wow aaronpk this is an even worse Medium screenshot: https://twitter.com/slicknet/status/1097584328962240512
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sknebel
filing slack bridge bug...
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sknebel
wait, no, that's the wrong direction :D
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tantek.com
edited /Micropub/Clients (+31) "/* Indigenous for iOS */ new post screenshot"
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aaronpk
wow that's so bad
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aaronpk
that phone is shorter than mine which is why it looks even worse too
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aaronpk
also really bad that it's showing that even on a custom domain
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[tantek]
it's like these silos are just handing us screenshottable screw-ups for our next talks and presentations
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aaronpk
how do they end up making it that bad. like do none of their employees actually visit the site?
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sknebel
all employees use adblockers?
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sknebel
(they probably don't have all that strong centralized IT, otherwise I'd say "as any good IT team would ensure everyone has" :D)
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tantek.com
edited /Micropub (+843) "stub why section for users and developers, move clients and servers to the top, highly technical rest of page caveat"
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[tantek]
^^^ attempt to start making the top of the /Micropub page friendlier like /Webmention
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tantek.com
edited /Webmention-developer (+387) "add webmention.rocks png too, Get Started Developers"
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aaronpk
tantek++ thats a great improvement
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Loqi
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[tantek]
There's a lot we can do to make the top "screenful" look attractive to wiki pages. Some of this is coming instinctively/intuitively, and I'm not sure how to document exactly what I'm doing on /wikify
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[tantek]
gRegorlove and/or schmarty, perhaps you can analyze the recent edits to /Micropub /Webmention-developer or even /Getting_Started and see if you can find patterns that we can document prescriptively in /wikify?
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loqi.me
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aaronpk
[tantek]: I think this guidance needs to be more prominent https://indieweb.org/wikifying#Definitions_include_indieweb_relevance
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tantek.com
edited /wikifying (+54) "move Definitions include indieweb relevance higher up, just below new pages, explicitly include indieweb relevance in definition"
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tantek.com
edited /start_a_page (+263) "only start pages with indieweb relevance"
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[tantek]
aaronpk hows' that ^^^ ?
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aaronpk
better!
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tantek.com
edited /wikifying (+1) "/* Definitions include indieweb relevance */ -above/below. assume re-ordering happens"
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