#meta 2019-02-19

2019-02-19 UTC
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[tantek] I think Medium is becoming bad enough that it may be worth reflecting its behaviors in the dfn
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[tantek] is there a term when sites only show a few articles before requiring a sign-in/sign-up?
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[tantek] it's not quite a paywall
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[tantek] sign-in wall?
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[tantek] kinda on topic
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[tantek] for #indieweb
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loqi.me created /registration_wall (+303) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 Strongbad on Registration Walls https://blankstrongbademail.glitch.me/ #indieweb https://t.co/It3A8irbiV (twitter.com/_/status/1097658585419530241)
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loqi.me edited /registration_wall (+142) "[tantek] added "2016-03-09 [https://woocommerce.com/posts/when-require-customer-account/ Deciding when it’s right to require an account]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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asuh.com edited /GNUnet (+593) "Expanding on what GNUnet is and relating it to Indieweb" (view diff)
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[asuh] Yeah, I think I got ahead of myself by creating that page. The concepts of GNUnet seemingly align with Indieweb but I didn't find much practical use yet outside of what it offers itself. Hopefully what I added was enough relevance
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loqi.me created /login_wall (+332) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 https://vanderven.se/martijn/ I know you were working on radials for your page here is a cool svg generator from https://visualthinkery.com https://remixer.visualthinkery.com/a/binary# #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/kSz8o) (twitter.com/_/status/1097660206841061376)
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loqi.me edited /login_wall (+65) "[tantek] added "https://www.nngroup.com/articles/login-walls/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[tantek] asuh can you track down any of the people that work on GNUnet and see if any use it themselves?
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[asuh] tantek sure, i'll see what i can find
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[tantek] Either confirming selfdogfooding or lack thereof is useful to document either as an encouragement or discouragement
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[tantek] Or if you can't tell either way, that's ok to document as well - that it is unknown if the primary maintainers of the project use it themselves, and invite people to confirm either way - on the page itself
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[asuh] I'll give it a couple of days to ask around before I draw a conclusion that it's unclear if selfdogfooding happens.
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[asuh] But I will follow up in the next days
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loqi.me created /nagware (+399) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /nagware (+30) "[tantek] added "[[Medium]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Medium (+10) "/* Nagware */ link nagware" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /nagware (+737) "examples, Medium screenshot" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /login_wall (+639) "Articles, quote" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /post (+147) "/* Brainstorming */ why post, positive things, why not to post subhead, What to post next" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 Due to the impending weather, the Elm City Webmakers will not meet 2/20 for homebrew website club. #IndieWeb @scsu #nhv. See you in two weeks. @IndieWebCamp Austin, Online, and New Haven just around the corner, check out the events page for more detail. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/H1ZAn) (twitter.com/_/status/1097835906013294592)
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blog.kevo.glass profile kevo edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (-458) "/* Where */ canceling New Haven" (view diff)
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blog.kevo.glass profile kevo edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+67) "/* New Haven */ added not to join virtual" (view diff)
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@AutuasK ↩️ @Dimmu141 Tämä idea sinänsä sopii nettiin, himmeet ja vähemmän himmeet voi keskenään järjestää kivaa https://indieweb.org/GNU_social (twitter.com/_/status/1097841345241276417)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ webmentions work to build your commonplace book: https://indieweb.org/commonplace_book . Rather than forums or Twitter you capture helpful lessons on a #DoOO https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/19/reclaimhosting-i-set-up-a-database In this post you see the chain of interactions between myself and @Reclaimhosting. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/OWLRg) (twitter.com/_/status/1097852033946636288)
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@jgmac1106 Great advice from https://vanderven.se/martijn/ https://martymcgui.re/ and https://Rosemaryorchard.com on ideas for "Simple Guestbook for Your Website" Project in the #IndieWeb dev channel. Thanks all. Now have a strong learning goal formulated to move forward… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/19/great-advice-from-martijn-and (twitter.com/_/status/1097860312353656832)
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Zegnat Hmm, I am the only one there with their surname first
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[tantek] [jgmac1106]++ for posting while building and learning, instead of waiting to be “finished”
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Loqi [jgmac1106] has 49 karma in this channel over the last year (116 in all channels)
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@jickelsen Geeking out about the decentralized web as well as various indieweb concepts. Gonna try making a tiny profile website for myself to try implementing stuff like Webmentions for cross-website social interactions. https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/30/11/your-first-webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1097862938273202177)
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[kevinmarks] What happens is thta employees already have all the cookies set, so they only see the latest nagware popup, not the entire Conway's Law stack of them
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Zegnat I feel like I am missing context, what was that replying to, [kevinmarks]?
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[kevinmarks] People asking how employees don't spot the nagware
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[kevinmarks] Nagware << QuickTime self destruction by nagware
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Loqi ok, I added "QuickTime self destruction by nagware" to the "See Also" section of /nagware https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56892&oldid=56887
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[kevinmarks] Nagware << QuickTime self destruction by nagware http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-apple-lost-its-web-video-mojo-and.html
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@swentel Added a drawer layout to Indigenous displaying your account info in the header! Oh, and uploading multiple pictures will be possible in the next release too :) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1097881041505828865)
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@jgmac1106 Really bummed I messed up my planning for @IndieWebCamp Austin and never put it together that it's the same day as Pinewood Derby. Had tix in hand. Guess it doesn't matter as long as you are hacking on something whether it be blocks of wood or or… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/19/really-bummed-i-messed-up-my (twitter.com/_/status/1097895488441995264)
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@God14Peace Dash is co-founder and CEO of ThinkUp, an app that offers users advice on their social network profiles.[9] The company is loosely connected to Dash's writing about "The Web We Lost" and to the IndieWeb, the idea that "regular people might own their (twitter.com/_/status/1097899247645581312)
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@mattl ↩️ @steveklabnik If you're around: https://indieweb.org/2019/Austin (twitter.com/_/status/1097905098481647618)
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@schmarty ↩️ Definitely check out the IndieWeb community in Austin! IndieWebCamp soon, Homebrew Website Club and @microdotblog meetups year 'round! (twitter.com/_/status/1097905681951309824)
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[tantek] anyone got any topics in particular for tomorrow's HWC? besides IWC Austin 🙂
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tantek.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+55) "/* What */ IWC Austin this weekend!" (view diff)
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@t Event: Homebrew Website Club SF! At: 2019-02-20 17:30 @MozSF RSVP: http://tantek.com/e/4z71 (twitter.com/_/status/1097910760540434439)
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tantek.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (-7) "/* San Francisco */ indie event" (view diff)
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[schmarty] [tmiller] still good for HWC NYC at the new location tomorrow? GWG, think you'll join us? we're trying The Bean at Cooper Union, 31 3rd Ave (corner of East 9th St)
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[tmiller] Yes ! Sorry I’ve been offline
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[schmarty] haha, no apology needed and no call-out intended! just checking in.
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[tantek] Cooper Union is a good spot! See if you can reach out to the ITP folks too!
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[schmarty] someday!
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GWG I have a doctor's appointment alas.
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GWG Will Indieweb all weekend
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[schmarty] GWG see you at a future one!
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[jgmac1106] schmarty tmiller I already canceled for the snow, I know my university will close down..if weather hits and folks stay home happy to move online with you
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[schmarty] jgmac1106: our weather so far looks not great but only calling for 1-3 inches.
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@schnarfed ↩️ some discussion of workarounds here: https://indieweb.org/Twitter#Profile_Image_URLs . https://www.avatars.io/ is solid if you don't want to constantly update profile image URLs yourself. (twitter.com/_/status/1097936391537713152)
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tantek.com edited /rsvp (+215) "capture question of how to backfeed RSVP-like responses from Twitter using j12t example" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /rsvp (-163) "use next-hwc instead of a specific IndieWebSummit link (stays up to date more automatically), link to "How to publish" section anyone can update instead of [[SPOA]] Github gist, update HTML example so it's comparable to the gist, ALLCAPS items to replace" (view diff)
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@t ↩️ join me(@t) & @Johannes_Ernst at this Wednesday’s #IndieWeb Meetup: 17:30 Homebrew Website Club #SF @MozSF RSVP: http://tantek.com/2019/051/e1/homebrew-website-club-sf Wiki: https://indieweb.org/events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club We’re into humans-first & UX>protocols. http://tantek.com/t4z61 (twitter.com/_/status/1097966705601662976)
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@t @ag_dubs @steveklabnik Congratulations! Austin’s great. Coincidentally, I’ll be there this weekend @IndieWebCamp Austin, hosted by @manton2(@microdotblog) https://2019.indieweb.org/austin Got plans? You should join us! Would be great to hang and hack on ... http://tantek.com/t4z62 (twitter.com/_/status/1097971471123709952)
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[tantek] oops threading error. going to have to track that one down
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@HongPong #indieweb ramping up Austin, New Haven, Berlin, Duesseldorf, Portland. http://Indieweb.org/2019 https://twitter.com/t/status/1097971471123709952 (twitter.com/_/status/1097972634917261322)
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[manton] Our venue for IndieWebCamp this weekend had to switch one of our rooms. Good news: it's bigger. Bad news: we need to invite more people to fill it. 🙂 If y'all can help spread the word I'd love to see more people register this week!
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Loqi [manton]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 1 week ago: extension cords, extension cords
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Loqi [manton]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 2 days, 8 hours ago: total mess up on my part, the Pinewood Derby is this weekend and my wife is away, I don't know how I didn;t cath this two moinths ago, been working on these stupid cars awhile...anywhoo I need to move to remote for Austin, just canceled tix 😞
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@t ↩️ @steveklabnik Congratulations! I’m there this weekend @IndieWebCamp Austin: https://2019.indieweb.org/austin Got plans? You should join us! Would be great to hang and hack together. Pretty sure @manton2(@microdotblog) is getting breakfast tacos. http://tantek.com/t4z62 (twitter.com/_/status/1097973168034201600)
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@steveklabnik ↩️ Thanks! Maybe! We’ll see. It’s been a bit exhausting, we’re not 100% sure how up we are for things just yet. Taking it day by day :) (twitter.com/_/status/1097973965920755712)
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[tantek] ^^^ like that [manton]? 🍳🌮
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[manton] Great, thanks!
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[tantek] I wish I could search my followers on Twitter to see who has "Austin" in their location on their profile
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[tantek] Manton can you post about having to switch to a larger room since we've had so many sign-ups and now have room for more?
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aaronpk srsly considering making Loqi watch not only for jargon terms but also for microformats class name patterns and nudge people to -dev
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@ag_dubs ↩️ @t @steveklabnik @indiewebcamp @manton2 @microdotblog i head to SF sunday for orientation next week! but maybe we can grab a coffee? (twitter.com/_/status/1097977351777013766)
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@jgmac1106 Hey @utaustin @utexascoe #literacies folks, Great News!! @IndieWebCamp Austin growing so much have expanded room, bad news, I have pinewood Derby same weekend, but will be as remote as possible (especially Sunday.really bummed HUUGE event (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/YCmaF) (twitter.com/_/status/1097977510938267651)
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[eddie] That a great idea, by using mf class name patterns to be considered jargon
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aaronpk regex: /(h|p|e|u|dt)-[a-z]+/
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[tantek] wat
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aaronpk no?
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@manton2 IndieWebCamp Austin is this weekend! You can still register here. https://2019.indieweb.org/austin (twitter.com/_/status/1097979332729995264)
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@HongPong #indieweb ramping up Austin, New Haven, Berlin, Duesseldorf, Portland. http://Indieweb.org/2019 Open web tech not proprietary silos (twitter.com/_/status/1097979530130669569)
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[schmarty] jargontodev++
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@jackyalcine @mikeal How open / available are you to talk shop re: IPFS / IndieWeb stuff? I have some stuff I'm working on that's beginning to overlap (twitter.com/_/status/1097981311187222529)
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[tantek] aaronpk, if you're going to regex pattern match for microformats class name patterns there's probably a few more related jargon terms to watch out for to redirect to chat since all too often they cause reactionary defensive flaming (academically)
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aaronpk this would be on top of the /Category:jargon
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@mlncn ↩️ All of this! The @indiewebcamp movement is all about helping people have their content on their own sites (and ultimately do all the good parts of social, following & favoriting & conversation, in a decentralized way). #LibreSaas platforms helping: @drutopiaforgood & @TryGhost (twitter.com/_/status/1097986299292803072)
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@tchambers ↩️ While the platform relies on Open Source tech, i'm not sure the license for the SAAS offering itself yet. cc: @manton2 https://indieweb.org/Micro.blog (twitter.com/_/status/1097987574638039045)
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@BWLNG Heading to Austin this weekend for IndieWebCamp — a gathering for indie web creators to share ideas, work on creating for their own websites, and build upon each other’s creations. And tacos — https://2019.indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1097990798438793216)
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@depone ↩️ Morgen Abend ist wieder #HWC, auch in Karlsruhe – https://indieweb.org/events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club#Karlsruhe (twitter.com/_/status/1097993656286527490)
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aaronpk when is next-hwc?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2019-02-20 at Virtual on CET https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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aaronpk oh hey
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[manton] I wonder if 2019.indieweb.org should go to an events list page with upcoming cities. Redirecting to Submit doesn't seem quite right.
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[manton] Summit, too.
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aaronpk i was thinking about that for this year
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aaronpk i feel like it should list all the 2019 events now, and summit should have its own page like the rest
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[manton] Makes sense.
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[manton] I noticed this before but didn't worry too much about it... until I saw that tweet above from Stephen about attending Austin and the link redirects to Portland. 🙂
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gRegorLove when is next-hwc
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2019-02-20 at Virtual on CET https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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aaronpk can confirm that every week "at virtual on CET" sounds really weird spoken out loud by my alexa
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