#meta 2019-02-25

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@srushe This is a late-night test of posting to my site via Micropub, and seeing whether the post will syndicate automatically to Twitter via http://brid.gy #indieweb (https://deeden.co.uk/notes/2019/02/25/001338) (twitter.com/_/status/1099825581313671168)
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@srushe One more POSSE test for auto-posting from my site to Twitter #indieweb (https://deeden.co.uk/notes/2019/02/25/002827) (twitter.com/_/status/1099829591806492672)
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jacky Looks like it works! ^_^
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[deeden] It does! /me does happy dance before going to sleep
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aaronpk I should really go edit the demo videos since the YouTube stream died in the middle
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gregorlove.com created /2019/Austin/intro-demos (+5094) "dump intro notes from chat logs" (view diff)
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[schmarty] aaronpk: there were also some strange time jumps in each of the demos streams.
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[schmarty] youtube 🤷
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aaronpk yeah the internet was terrible
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aaronpk the venue wifi was too slow to stream at all, so i was streaming tethering from my phone
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aaronpk which worked mostly okay except sometimes just dropped out
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[schmarty] oh gosh
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gregorlove.com created /2019/Austin/whereami (+1608) "dump etherpad" (view diff)
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aaronpk i recorded it all locally and i'm about to upload the edited version
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aaronpk i also cut out all the gaps between people so it'll be more fun to watch
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gregorlove.com created /2019/Austin/microformats (+2017) "dump etherpad" (view diff)
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[schmarty] aaronpk++ for the video production!!
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[schmarty] gRegorLove++ for etherpad gardening!
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gRegorLove [schmarty]++ just cause we missed you
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[schmarty] Aww I missed y'all too. Excited to see other sessions and catch up on the discussions.
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GWG [schmarty]: We missed you too. The Indigo isn't the same without you
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[schmarty] GWG: I am impressed that you were placed there despite careful planning! The hotel business is wild.
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GWG And aaronpk is across the street
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GWG Small world
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aaronpk i managed to lose only one cable
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aaronpk oh wait i just found it!
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aaronpk whee
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[schmarty] Wooo! Haha
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GWG schmarty, you came up regularly here
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[schmarty] Any project issues or todos? 🙃
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GWG I think it was mostly in non coding references
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aaronparecki.com edited /2019/Austin/Schedule (+70) "add link to demo videos" (view diff)
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@davemillar Home safe in Fort Worth. Thanks for the good times, #IndieWebCamp Austin. (twitter.com/_/status/1099917417743040514)
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@wynlim didn't know this exists: "Key principles of building on the indie web" https://indieweb.org/principles (twitter.com/_/status/1099937309548367872)
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jacky.wtf edited /Dat (-6) "add reference to session" (view diff)
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@t ↩️ 2: Setup new host account 3: Add domains to new host 4: Copy email aliases 5: rsync files 6: switch DNS 7: wait and verify (new HTTPS) most (8/10) hosted domains migrated! 5 static sites 1 simple PHP site (#IndieWebCamp demo, now with HTTPS!) 2 ... http://tantek.com/t4zC1 (twitter.com/_/status/1099988747502997505)
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@jgmac1106 We Must stop the RU copyright law... Got a step closer to reality. Boing Boing: As expected, the EU has advanced the catastrophic Copyright Directive without fixing its terrible defects. https://boingboing.net/2019/02/23/march-23-we-march.html #IndieWeb #teachtheweb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/XCxG3) (twitter.com/_/status/1099994779314733057)
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[tantek] Rayna++ thanks for recommending and guiding us to Alta’s, nice way to wrap-up after the camp!
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[tantek] And whoever recommended Arlo’s (I’m seeing a pattern here) that was quite the good BBQ vegan burger!
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@aaronpk ↩️ Sorry, it's been called Micropub since 2013 so not really possible to change now. You can try adding additional keywords to get better results: W3C, API, IndieWeb, or any programming language, etc. (twitter.com/_/status/1100051052714323970)
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aaronpk in reply to https://twitter.com/NoahBershatsky/status/1100050412269297664
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@NoahBershatsky @aaronpk @manton2 the term Micropub is an awful one to use. Why? Because anytime I search the web for it, all I get are pubs and breweries. Please consider using a different term. (twitter.com/_/status/1100050412269297664)
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[manton] [tantek] At the next IndieWebCamp we will only eat at places starting with the letter "B", then "C" for the event after that, and so on. Not sure if that will make deciding on lunch and dinner easier or harder, though. 🙂
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petermolnar Burger King?
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[manton] [aaronpk] I wish we had tried the private wi-fi network. Glad you got a good recording.
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aaronpk yeah we should add "test the internet" to the list of things to do to prep
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aaronpk i can't believe how bad it was
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petermolnar aaronpk: do you have some numbers on total data usage for the recording/stream?
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petermolnar in case a capped fallback 4G connection is ever needed
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aaronpk petermolnar: i ran through my 10gb monthly cell phone plan on day 1 😂
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petermolnar o.O
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aaronpk i couldn't stream on the venue wifi at all, i ran it from my phone the whole time
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aaronpk ideally it needs a consistent 5mbps stream, but it can drop down to 2.5mbps and still get decent results on the stream
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aaronpk !calc 2.5 megabits per second * 1 hour in gigabytes
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Loqi 1.13 GB (gigabytes)
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[jgmac1106] still space trumps wifi, even if it hurts remote, but space with wi-fi is goal
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aaronpk bad wifi also is really challenging for demos even in person
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[jgmac1106] ohh yeah, too bad they don't seell one off hotspots, so we buy 20 gigs in emergency
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aaronpk my cell phone is basically that. i can top it up with 2gb or 10gb easily
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[jgmac1106] okay i could do the same, but would need to file reimbursement...what kills me is VZW fake unlimited plan, if it hits high congestion they would downgrade my hotspot
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[jgmac1106] ....wait I wouldn't need reimbursement bc we are on the fake unlimited plan now
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[jgmac1106] but that is a fallback option....unless your space is in a basement
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petermolnar (basement => I have a friend who rented an actual wwii shelter, 2.5m concrete on top of it - perfect signal inside, because one of his mates pulled an official 3g service spot down with cable :D )
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[Vincent] Could you buy a 4G hotspot, to take to venues and top up with data as required
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petermolnar (Eastern Europe of course)
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petermolnar [Vincent]: that is not a bad idea
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aaronpk also note that my cell phone connection was faster than the wifi but was intermittently dropped out
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aaronpk dropping*
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aaronpk so no guarantees that a hotspot will work either
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petermolnar I have surprisingly decent experience with 4g routers
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petermolnar keep in mind LTE band is different in EU vs US
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aaronpk also that lol
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[manton] Monday - Friday that venue in Austin has more people than we had, so I've gotta think we were just on the wrong network. Definitely will remember to check and plan for this next time. (What's the best indieweb.org page to dump some lessons learned?)
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aaronpk we usually have a section on the planning page for notes afterwards
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/2019/Austin/Planning
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petermolnar https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp_Organizing ?
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:iwc-session-links/doc (+1136) "update documentation" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I think this template should make quicker work of session/video links on schedule pages: https://indieweb.org/Template:iwc-session-links
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aaronpk gRegorLove++
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gRegorLove Still trying to find a way for MediaWiki to generate a link to the parent page, then the wiki links to the session could be generated based on the hashtag. That part is still manual for now
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gRegorLove e.g. [[2019/Austin/{{{hashtag}}}]]
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gRegorLove manual until it hurts
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gRegorLove are Jitsi Meet videos archived?
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aaronpk jitsi is just streaming, but jitsi can stream to youtube to record. so we should have them on youtube
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aaronpk the way it was set up there are probably a bunch of sessions combined into one youtube video though
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sknebel gRegorLove: relative links in wiki syntax only work with a feature we don't have enabled, but you could to a relative html link? <href="{{hashtag]]">?
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sknebel *<a href
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gRegorLove aaronpk, ok I'll check the channel
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gRegorLove Good idea, sknebel. I'll try it
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gregorlove.com created /2019/Austin/webio (+1514) "dump etherpad" (view diff)
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@FixUpFox We'll be at WordCamp Greenville in a few weeks talking about using WordPress to run an #IndieWeb site. Looking forward to meeting a new community of WordPressers! https://2019.greenville.wordcamp.org/session/wordpress-and-the-indieweb-why-you-should-own-your-voice/ (twitter.com/_/status/1100063370546302976)
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[manton] Fixing the Berlin dates if anyone wants to review/merge this: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/17
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Loqi [manton] #17 Fixed Berlin dates
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aaronparecki.com edited /2019/Austin (+323) "/* Blog posts */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /2019/Austin/readers (+2193) "dump etherpad" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2019/Austin/Schedule (+43) "/* Saturday February 23 2019 */ archive Readers session (video cuts out, need to upload local video)" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2019/Austin/Schedule (+42) "/* Saturday February 23 2019 */ archive Microformats session" (view diff)
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gRegorLove some weird pinkish artifacts in that video^
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aaronpk Let me know which sessions need reuploading and I'll see what I can do
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aaronpk (Can't did the jitsi ones since they weren't recorded locally)
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aaronpk fix not did
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gregorlove.com edited /2019/Austin/Schedule (+64) "/* Saturday February 23 2019 */ archive How To session" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2019/Austin/Schedule (+74) "/* Saturday February 23 2019 */ archive Location Data Sources" (view diff)
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@SonicServe IndieWeb with WordPress Tutorial: Themes and Microformats http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xo29yq7d4is https://troyhumphrey.com/indieweb-with-wordpress-tutorial-themes-and-microformats/ (twitter.com/_/status/1100072430394056704)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] !tell eddie, chrisaldrich, gwg up for a planning tonight
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@manton2 IndieWebCamp Austin 2019 wrap-up: https://www.manton.org/2019/02/25/indiewebcamp-austin-wrapup.html (twitter.com/_/status/1100076936922058752)
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[eddie] Yeah, I can definitely do some IRC planning for IWC Online
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Loqi [eddie]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 23 hours, 36 minutes ago: anyone else remoting...do we have a jitsi room set up not relying on the bandwidth in Austin?
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[jgmac1106] perfect, 8:30 or when Baby is asleep...
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GWG Time for me to figure out New Haven
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Loqi GWG: [jgmac1106] left you a message 1 hour, 23 minutes ago: up for a planning tonight
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GWG Not even getting into NYC till 7 now
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GWG Flight delay
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jeremycherfas monocle is /Monocle
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manton.org edited /Microsub (+150) "Adding Micro.blog as Micropub server." (view diff)
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manton.org edited /Micro.blog (+103) "Updating avatar description." (view diff)
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cleverdevil.io edited /DreamHost (+23) "/* IndieWeb involvement */" (view diff)
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cleverdevil.io edited /User:Cleverdevil.io (+1) (view diff)
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manton.org edited /Micro.blog (+111) "Added Dialog." (view diff)
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manton.org edited /Micro.blog (-54) "Not great to edit criticism against Micro.blog, but some of this is no longer accurate. Just tweaking for recent improvements." (view diff)
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[eddie] [manton] Edits look good :thumbsup: Sometimes it's difficult for people to remember to loop back in and update software, so it's totally fine for you to update inaccurate info, even if it's criticism. Enough of us watch the changes, there's no worries about that 🙂
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[eddie] manton++ wiki gardening
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[manton] [eddie] Thanks. I've just been clicking through random pages and thought I would fix a couple things.
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[eddie] A great instinct! 🙂
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@manton2 Thinking about our http://Micro.blog APIs after IndieWebCamp Austin. There are a lot! Probably not even a complete list: RSS, JSON Feed, MetaWeblog, Micropub, ActivityPub, Microformats, WebSub, rssCloud, Webmention, IndieAuth, and now Microsub. (twitter.com/_/status/1100123277517905923)
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[gRegorLove] Boarded for SD. Catch ya later, Austin. It was a great weekend!
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aaronpk byeee
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GWG I am taxiing
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GWG Goodbye Austin, keep weird
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[Collin_Kunisch] Thanks for the great weekend everyone, I had a lot of fun! Travel safe 🙂
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[tantek] [Collin_Kunisch]++ thanks for a great video!
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www.svenknebel.de edited /next_IndieWebCamp (+0) "I'm not chrisaldrich, but it's easily done" (view diff)
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[eddie] sknebel++ lol
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[jgmac1106] [Collin_Kunisch] question is did you get to leave IWC with a great site... If not we owe you one... Let us know if you want help.... Been arguing long time video is onboarding pathway to many on web
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[Collin_Kunisch] [jgmac1106] I didn’t this time, though perhaps some time soon! [tantek] my pleasure, better edit coming in the next day or two 👍
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[tantek] GWG, I think this principle sorta covers bridging but could do so more explicitly: https://indieweb.org/principles#modularity
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[tantek] I've always felt a bit uncomfortable with "platform agnostic platforms", as it sounds a little jargony and/or vague (depending on what people mean by "platform")
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[tantek] and yes it's about building blocks, and it's more than that too
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GWG [tantek]: My plan is to write my thoughts on my site, see what the responses are, and use that to craft a better page
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[tantek] maybe this is an opportunity explicitly make that principle more accessible (as we discussed at /2018/Organizers
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[tantek] GWG, a better page?
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GWG A better description on the pahe
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GWG page
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[tantek] IMO "modularity" always only captured part of what (I think?) tommorris meant by "platform agnostic platforms"
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GWG Wonder if I can write a long serious article on Indigenous...on my phone. Let's see
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GWG Long being relative
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[tantek] It's ok to start with capturing small chunks of thoughts as posts
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[tantek] and later assemble into a narrative
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GWG I just like to use the tools
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@benwerd ↩️ @rrhoover @lsanger The #indieweb wiki does a good job of recording current and past attempts. For example: https://indieweb.org/ActivityStreams (twitter.com/_/status/1100174323275444224)
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tbbrown great to see everyone at indiewebcamp austin! got lots of good wordpress help. thanks!
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