#meta 2019-03-06

2019-03-06 UTC
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jacky [tantek]: definitely!
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[tantek] woot!
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Hey @chrisaldrich https://boffosocko.com Feel free to grab what we did in #edu522 we have an example of teaching on #IndieWeb WordPress for #pressedconf19. Plus the course templates and webmention badges have come so far since then: … https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/06/hey-chrisaldrich-feel-free-to-grab (twitter.com/_/status/1103094705661845504)
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Loqi 😊
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I use Commonplace Book philosophy...https://indieweb.org/commonplace_book set up main site at https://jgregorymcverry.com currently using @withknown. I have done the same with WordPress as https://boffosocko.com does now. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2hLUON) (twitter.com/_/status/1103107074513428481)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ If you want to learn more check out https://indieweb.org/Events we have an online conference coming up this weekend...if you think I have quantified my lifestream...haven't seen nothing yet. Hard timezone for Aussie friends but we have many in… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/06/kayoddone-if-you-want-to-learn (twitter.com/_/status/1103110181515345921)
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unicyclic.com mal edited /dobrado (+997) "Add Microsub brainstorming section" (view diff)
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dougbeal.com edited /events/2019-03-20-homebrew-website-club (+9) "/* Where */ enable seattle and added indie event link" (view diff)
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@Pgogy ↩️ @johnjohnston @ChrisAldrich Amd we've had 1 indieweb submission over night (twitter.com/_/status/1103206991781158912)
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jeremycherfas Spot just hit a new low with Isaac Hayes Lay Lady Lay
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jeremycherfas Oops. Wrong room.
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@jackyalcine I have no idea if my ridiculous idea to make a hosted platform for people to run their own IndieWeb sites will work. But I have a wait list piling up and it’s actually super motivating to see! (https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/4f419af1-7536-4874-be61-6af8f8eb4156) (twitter.com/_/status/1103246889309343750)
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@tbc0 ↩️ Today I see that Google has added this thread to its results. _And_ it returns this thread in a third "#indieweb hashtag on Twitter" result. Now I'm finding this ironic. For timely results they are a far superior friend to the indie web, while @DuckDuckGo still shows 0 results. (twitter.com/_/status/1103279619208179714)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ When I searched "indieweb", I got the Wiki/site as the first result https://duckduckgo.com/?q=indieweb&t=h_&ia=web (twitter.com/_/status/1103280382617608192)
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@flexbox_ ↩️ @WalterStephanie Depending on the project / audience but what about web mentions? https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1103281729106669570)
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@tbc0 ↩️ I would expect that. I'm complaining that they seem to be slow to spider http://micro.blog/. I can't find anything I've written at http://tbc.micro.blog via @duckduckgo. That's what I mean by them not being a friend of #IndieWeb. Too hard to get content indexed by them. (twitter.com/_/status/1103282901423022082)
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sknebel !tell [eddie] just a reminder to start the jitsi server - we'd like to use it in 3 hours
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ If you want to check out a few examples we expanded our Getting Started page on https://indieweb.org we are also doing @IndieWebCamp Online this weekend and there will be a ton of people to ask for help and check out options. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/25othh) (twitter.com/_/status/1103308740575576064)
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dmitri.shuralyov.com edited /events/2019-03-06-homebrew-website-club-nyc (+9) "/* RSVP */ Add Dmitri as RSVP yes." (view diff)
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jacky ooh that reminds me
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[eddie] sknebel Oops just saw this! But i did already start the server :thumbsup: You are good to go
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Loqi [eddie]: jgmac1106 left you a message 1 day ago: we scheduled IndieWebCamp Online during Creative Commons Open Education Week…..this was totally planned
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sknebel [eddie]: perfect, thank you!
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[eddie] My pleasure. I'll have to set up a Script to essentially auto start the server every HWC day, that way we always know it's available. Then IWCs can be more manual
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[jgmac1106] !eddie are you going to run the open building blocks room session on Saturday, I can do a WordPress room, and then if folks want help with micro.blog or Known or Drupal we will point them to someone or something....though I can do a getting started on Known session
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[jgmac1106] oops
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aaronpk oh wow IWC online is this weekend
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[eddie] Yeah, I can totally do the building blocks room
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[eddie] Yeah it came up fast! aaronpk
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[jgmac1106] okay I will do the WordPress room, will send out another email again today, not sure I did with the video tutorial on adding sessions
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aaronpk don't forget to send out an email reminder via tito in the next day or two!
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[jgmac1106] I have been,
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[eddie] Yeah, the last email was great. Thanks [jgmac1106]!
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aaronpk ah cool
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aaronpk i just realized i haven't registered so i haven't been getting them :)
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[jgmac1106] 18 people signed up when you discount duplicates
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[jgmac1106] If you are doing the #dailychallenge to get ready (so far I am the only one) today's challenge is: 2019-03-06 If you made a mix tape for IndieWebCamp Online what tracks would you add
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@DonaldBMcIntosh Just added a 'bookcase' to my #indieweb site. Absolutely loving my Kobo + Overdrive for books, now have my online bookcase: https://www.donaldmcintosh.net/bookcase (twitter.com/_/status/1103332677636231168)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ This is so cool!! Going to do the same. I would have someone check my work but I added the experimental mark up for a read post https://indieweb.org/read and made the bookcase an experimental collection https://gist.github.com/jgmac1106/8de7054b6c957e97aea657485b3661bd (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1aPpyv) (twitter.com/_/status/1103342509223264257)
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[tantek] jacky++ thank you for the RSVP! you revealed a bug in my https transition (RSVPs aren't showing up in https views of the indie event on my site)
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Loqi jacky has 11 karma in this channel over the last year (48 in all channels)
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sknebel jeremycherfas: from now on yes :D
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aaronpk [eddie] did you create an elastic IP for the AWS server?
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sknebel I am connected
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jeremycherfas Right.
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aaronpk oh it's fine, it just doesn't respond to pings
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sknebel somewhat works now. had to switch to chrome, and video is wonky, but audio is fine
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sknebel so usual webrtc disclaimers apply: when in doubt, restart your browser
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[eddie] aaronpk Yep, it's an elastic IP
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[eddie] haha that was me on the EU vHWC but I realized I connected with a computer without a mic 🤦
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jeremycherfas Sorry to have missed you [eddie] I have to go and cook.
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[eddie] enjoy!
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[jgmac1106] snkebel makes a great vHWC partner both quietly working away without the banter...I love the chats but sometimes that is all virtual is (but just as important)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I’m going to have to propose a commonplace session at IndieWebCamp Online this weekend… Kay, if you’d like to join us we can probably get a group of people to talk about what they’ve built, how, what they want to do, & how to improve on it all. [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2019/03/06/update-creating-and-managing-a-lifestream-as-an-early-career-academic-kay-oddone/#if%20you%E2%80%99d%20like%20to%20join%20us (twitter.com/_/status/1103385105819676672)
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sknebel hm, connection to jitsi failed and can't reconnect
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chrisaldrich jgmac1106 and eddie, the IWC online says March 8-10 at the top, but the schedule days are just for 8th and 9th. Is this correct? Or was it meant to be 9th and 10th on the schedule?
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Loqi chrisaldrich: [jgmac1106] left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: to rsvp even if you can only make it for a bit
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sknebel [jgmac1106]: jitsi still working for you?
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sknebel [eddie]: jitsi might need checking/poking - times out for me
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[jgmac1106] I had to go last minute
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[jgmac1106] Sat-Sun [chrisaldrich] with an optional get started on Fri nobody has signed up for. We will fix.
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chrisaldrich jgmac1106, I'm happy to tweak the dates for the traditional saturday/sunday, but we should add some proper details for the Friday/Day 0 portion
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[jgmac1106] okay I will add the Day ) stuff
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[jgmac1106] Day 0 stuff
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[eddie] Wait no [jgmac1106] and [chrisaldrich] be careful when editing the dates
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[eddie] It spans 3 days, not just 2 is the issue
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[eddie] The intros/Kickoff is on Friday, the Create Day kickoff is on Saturday and the Demos is on Sunday
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[eddie] It's tricky because it's across Europe and America timezones. We'll have to see how it works and if it doesn't work smoothly, in the future we can adjust and have different IWC Onlines for different timezones
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[eddie] The templates are assume it's 2 days, so I tried to make it clear while working within the templates. Feel free to point out where it's confusing though and we can work on it
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[eddie] I think it's pretty clear here: https://2019.indieweb.org/online
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Loqi IndieWebCamp Online
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[eddie] maybe I didn't get the changes filtered down to the wiki?
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@EddieHinkle Excited for IndieWebCamp Online 2019 this coming weekend! If you haven't signed up yet, sign up today! Also, we're hosting a Virtual IndieWeb Meetup tonight, we'd love to have you join us! (https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/03/06/8/note/) (twitter.com/_/status/1103397499673497600)
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[chrisaldrich] Okay [eddie] I though at might be the case. So from the Americas it's really a Friday/Saturday affair with demos on Sunday.
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[eddie] Yeah. For the Americas, demos are like Sunday early afternoon
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[chrisaldrich] [eddie] it looks like some of the timee.io links on day 1 don't resolve to the right times...
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[eddie] Oh darn. They were tricky to make. I'll look through them and fix them up
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[chrisaldrich] They're super useful when they do work though.
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[eddie] Yep 🙂 That's the hope lol
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@corntoole ↩️ @davewiner it would be something like @aaronpk 's monocle https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/12/17/building-an-indieweb-reader which is a little of both (twitter.com/_/status/1103403803888549889)
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petermolnar for a second I thought dave admitted our existence
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aaronpk lol https://twitter.com/davewiner/status/1103409657329184770
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@davewiner @corntoole @aaronpk I have one too! ;-) https://github.com/scripting/river5 It's easy to set up, even for a newbie who doesn't know much anything about Node.js. Dvae (twitter.com/_/status/1103409657329184770)
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@manton2 There’s no Homebrew Website Club in Austin tonight. We’ll regroup in April. (Thanks again to everyone who made it to IndieWebCamp Austin! Seeya next time.) (twitter.com/_/status/1103419829300744193)
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[tantek] is it just me or do other users turn away at "From the command line..." ?
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[schmarty] It's not just you tantek
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[schmarty] HWC NYC (just me afaik) starting quiet writing hour.
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[tantek] and I have spent *A LOT* of command line time in the last week (migrating 9/10 sites)
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aaronpk if "from the command line" is followed by "npm install" then i'm out
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[tantek] command line time is not my idea of a good time
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aaronpk I do like the automatability and repeatability of command line tools sometimes though
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[tantek] there's definitely lots of useful power in command line tools.
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[tantek] I would have been toast without that rsync line you gave me aaronpk
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aaronpk yeah that's an example where the command line is the best tool for that job really
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[tantek] like only reasonable tool for the job. would have taken days if not weeks with a GUI
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[tantek] which also makes me believe that /migration is way too hard for users currently 😕
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aaronpk definitely
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[tantek] I mean even when it is *possible*
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aaronpk rarely lol
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aaronpk even wordpress, which has done a lot of work to make it easy, often fails because the exports end up being too big and fail to download or upload
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[tantek] I feel like both iOS and Android have struggled with this too over the years and have gotten better but it's still a point of stress for folks to migrate phones
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[tantek] yikes
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[tantek] aaronpk that sounds like evidence that the export/import model/methodology for migration is flawed
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[tantek] rather than any fault specifically of WordPress
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aaronpk migrating from iOS to iOS is fantastic now if you have everything in your icloud backup. i've had 0 issues moving to new phones since around 2014 and i've switched phones a _lot_
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[tantek] only issue I've found is that your 2FA / Google Auth is no longer valid
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[tantek] that *does not* migrate
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aaronpk yep which is a good thing, you just have to plan for it
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[tantek] I believe benward got stuck from that
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[tantek] er benwerd. sorry benward
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[tantek] I'm saying you have to be specifically aware as a user
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[tantek] Apple / iOS does *not* warn you
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[tantek] "hey you have Google Authenticator installed, you will need to migrate that manually using recovery codes, please confirm you've written down recovery codes so you can do so on the other side"
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[tantek] or something
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aaronpk anyway, i agree about wordpress. i don't think wordpress is at fault, i do think that a single download/upload method is not sustainable as a migration strategy
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[tantek] I've heard of people printing out a screenshot of a Google Auth setup QR code, then locking that in a physical vault, and using that as a kind of mega-recovery-code.
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[tantek] TBH I'd be kinda curious of anyone's opsec/infosec concerns about doing that
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[tantek] (use-case: you've wiped your 2nd factor device, and need to set it up again. similarly for a device migration where you wipe the origin device after)
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@KayOddone ↩️ This is so exciting! I would love to hear more about the commonplace book idea and how you are making it work. Timezones might make synchronous connections tricky, but I am keen to learn :) #ecalifestream #commonplace #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1103437076945485824)
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@ChrisAldrich I've already started brainstorming #IndieWebCamp Online sessions and am glad that you can propose them already in preparation for Friday! https://boffosocko.com/2019/03/06/rsvp-for-indiewebcamp-online-2019/ (twitter.com/_/status/1103438168966127616)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ And there's always something magical about seeing an event on the web and being able to RSVP to it directly from my own website and having the site show my response. If only the rest of the world worked so well... https://boffosocko.com/2019/03/06/rsvp-for-indiewebcamp-online-2019/#And%20there%E2%80%99s%20always%20something%20magical (twitter.com/_/status/1103438387334197248)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ There's a page on the IndieWeb wiki with some details and reading. I've proposed a session for camp this weekend. Feel free to suggest times that might work for your timezone and we'll work something out! (Click thru for links...) https://etherpad.indieweb.org/iwc-online-session-planning https://boffosocko.com/2019/03/06/update-creating-and-managing-a-lifestream-as-an-early-career-academic-kay-oddone/?replytocom=252220#respond (twitter.com/_/status/1103440085851168770)
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