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@mattl We can’t have a free software Twitter clone until we have a free software apologist for our network. I was never going to be that. Nor was @robmyers or @evanpro or @benwerd. If we stop thinking our work on alternatives as clones maybe it can work? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1120859537240727552)
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@jackyalcine For a moment, I disabled links to my syndicated posts to Twitter. But I didn’t like that they felt semantically disconnected (not on my IndieWeb site but on Twitter). Adding that back! (https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/2b3c4a93-2f89-498e-811d-3b5d80598cec) (twitter.com/_/status/1120869138895966208)
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shaners Hey y'all. I'm giving a talk at Rails Conf next week that involves some history related to Ward Cunningham. I'd like to talk to him a little bit and ask him some clarifying questions. But I'm having a hard time getting ahold of him.
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shaners Does anyone know what the best way to get his attention / reach out to him is?
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[tantek] good question shaners. Last I saw Ward was at an OSBridge. His session page has some info that may be useful for contacting him (his domain, Twitter etc.) http://opensourcebridge.org/sessions/773
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[tantek] !tell aaronpk,kevinmarks,benwerd, j12t Is anyone that you know of in the IndieWeb community (like you!) participating in IIW 28 on 2019-04-30?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@t co-organizing IndieWebCamp Berlin 2019-05-04…05 @MozillaBerlin! Looking forward to seeing @ioctaptceb @calum_ryan @dshanske @_fumanity and more! Join us in Berlin May 4-5! Tickets: https://2019.indieweb.org/berlin More info: https://indieweb.org/2019/Berlin https://tantek.com/t5091 (twitter.com/_/status/1120936536147578880)
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[tantek] I suppose as co-organizer of IWC Düsseldorf I should post an event for it!
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[tantek] here we go: http://tantek.com/2019/131/e1/indiewebcamp-dusseldorf
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Loqi IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf
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Zegnat Looks like I will be speaking with the venue for the possible Summit Remote EU Meetup today! :D
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@t co-organizing IndieWeb Summit 2019-06-29…30 @MozPDX! Join us in Portland June 29-30! Tickets: https://2019.indieweb.org/summit More info: https://indieweb.org/2019 https://tantek.com/t50A1 (twitter.com/_/status/1120964017365741569)
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[tantek] Zegnat awesome!
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[Rose] Zegnat++
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[Rose] Woot!
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[Rose] I'm in Amsterdam the previous weekend, and am hoping this works out!
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Zegnat Hope to get confirmation on the meeting soon. They made a preliminary time for the meeting, as it is after working hours, so availability wasn’t fully confirmed yet.
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Zegnat Amsterdam to Åmål? That is going to be a bit of a shock to the system, [Rose]
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[Rose] It will be, and I'll love it
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@IgnaciodeNuevo I would like to attend to @indiewebcamp Berlin. Sounds good? What about going together ☺️ I went to @IndieWebCampUK Brighton back in 2016 and was the best event I've been ever. https://ignaciodenuevo.com/2016/10/06/indie-web-camp-brighton-2016/ https://2019.indieweb.org/berlin (twitter.com/_/status/1121020709126516738)
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Zegnat Meeting confirmed, lets secure this venue! Haha
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[Rose] Go go Zegnat!
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[Rose] Imagine minions hula dancing to encourage you 😉
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Zegnat Hahahaha
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Loqi hehe
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jamietanna|wwwjv http://stream.boffosocko.com/ seems to be having some DB issues 😥 anyone able to let Chris know?
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aaronpk [tantek]: I will be at the next IIW as noted here ;-) https://indieweb.org/IIW
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 8 hours, 6 minutes ago: Is anyone that you know of in the IndieWeb community (like you!) participating in IIW 28 on 2019-04-30?
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@jgmac1106 You know @bonstewart if you come out to the @IndieWebCamp Summit you might get a chance to hang with the organizer of the biggest David Bowie bike parade in the world (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1GXHSF) (twitter.com/_/status/1121060722589544448)
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@bonstewart ↩️ @jgmac1106 @indiewebcamp https://t.co/mpBO0uLCqp (twitter.com/_/status/1121061514247647232)
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[chrisaldrich] jamietanna|wwwjv Thanks, I'm aware.
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@frankmeeuwsen Kom langs op het IndieWebCamp Nederland op 18 en 19 mei in Utrecht en help mee in het terugbrengen van de pret in het open web. Gratis aanmeldingen! https://diggingthedigital.com/indiewebcamp-utrecht-aanmeldingen-zijn-open/ (twitter.com/_/status/1121076762669146112)
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@frankmeeuwsen Ik ben maar eens begonnen om een lijstje te maken wat ik eigenlijk wil gaan doen op @indiewebcampnl https://diggingthedigital.com/wat-wil-ik-doen-op-indiewebcamp-utrecht/ #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/1121077017523433474)
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chrisaldrich jamietanna|wwwjv if you are searching for something specific, I was reasonably good about archiving things to archive.org for that site....
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jamietanna|wwwjv Cool thanks, was just that I'd followed a link for http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/im-curious-what-if-anything-you-all-think-that-the from one of your posts - I'll have a read through archive.org
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@EatPodcast ↩️ Not really, because it is an unconference. The sessions on the first day are offered by the people who are there and adjusted to suit people, and the second day is a hack day devoted to IndieWeb projects. Some more details at https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamps/Attendance (twitter.com/_/status/1121096158477258754)
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[tantek] huh that looks like an older wiki page - better check it to make sure it reflects 2019!
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[tantek] actually that page is quite good and up to date!
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich]++ nice work!
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[tantek] also wow: https://indieweb.org/Category:Sessions
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gRegorLove I've been working on categorizing event pages too: https://indieweb.org/Category:2019
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gRegorLove chrisaldrich++ nice categorytree there, hadn't seen that.
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[tantek] [gRegorLove] since you're here, could you review my update to https://indieweb.org/2019/Berlin#Participating ? I tried to do it in a way that we can replicate to future events, improve discoverability of that Attending page, and connecting via webchat or slack
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[tantek] If it looks like a useful update, I'll propagate it to DUS UTR Summit
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gRegorLove [tantek], lgtm
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[tantek] Hmm where do we usually link from a YYYY.indieweb event page to its wiki page?
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gRegorLove I think the most common has been linking to the schedule grid page under the schedule section. Don't think I've seen a direct link to the event wiki page tho
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@dsearls ↩️ Fact: we were #social online as well as off, long before "social networks" such as Twitter and Facebook became vast #feudal walled gardens in which we are dependent #vassals. How about getting rid of the whole idea that we need a "service" to be social? #indie #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1121121327195119616)
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gRegorLove Like https://2018.indieweb.org/#schedule (under keynote speakers)
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Loqi Pre-Summit Meetup
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Zegnat Looks like the venue is ours for Summit Weekend! /cc [Rose], sknebel!
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Zegnat WiFi and LAN available. Should also be a beamer for streaming e.g. Portland keynotes. With possibility for multiple rooms if we want to run multiple session tracks.
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Zegnat Coffee and tea is provided by the venue as well.
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Zegnat We just aren’t allowed to call them a sponsor, they are collaborator for the event instead. [See also bureaucracy.]
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gRegorLove yay!
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Loqi yay!
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[tantek] Woohoo!
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aaronpk very cool
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[tantek] !tell Zegnat could you add text/link after the Schedule on https://2019.indieweb.org/berlin#schedule that is similar to what is after https://2018.indieweb.org/#schedule ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Mozilla Berlin
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Zegnat I could :D
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Loqi Zegnat: [tantek] left you a message 2 minutes ago: could you add text/link after the Schedule on https://2019.indieweb.org/berlin#schedule that is similar to what is after https://2018.indieweb.org/#schedule ?
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Zegnat Let me just finish up some emails
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GWG [tantek]: Tell me if you need any Berlin help on site
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[tantek] GWG, will likely need help with some onsite stuff from someone experienced in how IndieWebCamps are run
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[tantek] like for example: setting up the stickers / pins table, setting up the session grid rows and columns in a good spot
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[tantek] Would you be willing to help with those?
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[tantek] goes to add a Volunteers section to IWC Berlin
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by Zegnat: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/35
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Zegnat [tantek] ^^^
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GWG Happy to every time
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Zegnat Wish Loqi showed the title of the PR
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Zegnat https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/35
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Loqi [Zegnat] #35 Add link to full schedule, following 2018 Summit example
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Zegnat Need someone to review, then it can be merged and will automatically go live. We still need to add the /2019/Berlin/Schedule page to the wiki though
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[tantek] GWG, thank you! Can you add yourself? https://indieweb.org/2019/Berlin#Volunteers
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[tantek] Zegnat, could use help with that too - can you clone from /2018/Berlin/Schedule and update it to match the time slots on the /2019/Berlin#Schedule ?
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[tantek] reviewing
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Zegnat I’ll start cloning right away :)
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Zegnat Feeling oddly motivated after securing a venue of my own ;)
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Zegnat Oh. Hmm. In 2018 we called the page Sessions. What name do we want to go with?
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[tantek] Awesome! Hoping you can still make it to Berlin also
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Zegnat I personally prefer Schedule, since it includes both Saturday and Sunday
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[tantek] agreed
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[tantek] looking into why that happened
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[tantek] Review complete. I believe you can merge it now when you create the wiki page!
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Zegnat Yes, it is now mergable, nice
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[tantek] Austin had Schedule also
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Zegnat I think it might have become Sessions because we made that word linkable in the mini schedule on the main page and then it was created from the red link?
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Zegnat Should we clone Austin text instead, [tantek]?
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[Rose] Zegnat++ woot!
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[Rose] I just need flights now.
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Zegnat Hmm, interesting, https://indieweb.org/2019/Schedule describes the page as a session grid in its dfn
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Zegnat What is 2019/Schedule?
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Loqi The IndieWeb Summit 2019 session grid is where notes and videos from all sessions can be found https://indieweb.org/2019/Schedule
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Zegnat What is 2017/Austin/Schedule?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin/Schedule
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Zegnat “Hmm”s again
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[Rose] I've volunteered for Berlin!
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[tantek] woohoo!
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Zegnat Alright, decided how to do Schedule, coming right up
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[tantek] Zegnat, that is odd about 2019/Schedule. We should fix that too - clearly we have more there than a grid, there's the Friday and Sunday things too!
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Zegnat Yep. So let me try out an intro text for Berlin, itterate on that, and then backport
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[tantek] great
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[tantek] Rose, added this too 🙂 https://indieweb.org/2019/D%C3%BCsseldorf#Volunteers
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Zegnat What is 2019/Berlin/Schedule?
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Loqi The IndieWebCamp Berlin 2019 schedule is where you will find day 1’s session grid and day 2’s schedule https://indieweb.org/2019/Berlin/Schedule
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Zegnat How does that look?
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[tantek] Looks pretty good. let's split out doors open, introduction per /2019/Berlin#Schedule
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[tantek] (for day 1)
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Zegnat Done.
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Zegnat Think this is good enough to merge the link on 2019.indieweb.org, so doing that now
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by Zegnat: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/35
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2019.indieweb.org
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Zegnat That is a quick deploy!
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Zegnat gives Loqi a cookie
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Loqi crushes the cookie
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jalcine that's a waste of a cookie, Loqi lol
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jalcine unless it's the tracking kind
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jalcine then good job! lol
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GWG I still need a roommate for Berlin.
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Zegnat If anyone wants to help form the schedule for Åmål Summit weekend: hit me up. Want to find a nice middle road between running our own thing on EU times and possibly participating with Portland (e.g. make sure to stream keynotes?)
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Zegnat Off to bed now, but you all know how to get ahold of me :D
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gRegorLove I've gone through a lot of older pages recently. I think "Schedule" / "Session" discrepancy goes back to early IWCs where they were separate pages. I think "Session" has persisted depending where you originally copied the wiki page from.
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gRegorLove Agreed having it on one "Schedule" page is good, and typical current practice.
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gRegorLove e.g. https://indieweb.org/2011/Schedule and https://indieweb.org/2011/Sessions
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gRegorLove I guess the latter looks like session proposals actually, in advance
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gRegorLove Again as recently as /2017/Sessions
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GWG We already have a session on Vouch proposed for Berlin, don't we?
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[tantek] JS << Criticism comic - overuse thereof: https://twitter.com/CommitStrip/status/1119222651673878530
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@CommitStrip It’s better with Javascript http://www.commitstrip.com/2019/04/19/its-better-with-javascript/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4hHA6pWAAA0OzY.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1119222651673878530)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism comic - overuse thereof: https://twitter.com/CommitStrip/status/1119222651673878530" to the "See Also" section of /JavaScript https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59871&oldid=59057
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aaronpk wow there's even spam in the facebook comments there
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@tomasparksts ↩️ @internetarchive @GETJolocom @marknadal @timberners_lee cc #indieweb @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/1121191142823825408)
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