#meta 2019-05-18

2019-05-18 UTC
gRegorLove_, [cleverdevil] and chrisaldrich joined the channel
#
chrisaldrich Registrations on alternate platforms like Tito, etc, should also include the ability to RSVP as remote so that organizers don't over order food, etc. https://twitter.com/cathieleblanc/status/1129551069053313024
#
[tantek] Or we should indicated that only in-person folks should register for a Tito ticket
#
[tantek] remote participation we can keep doing via just indie RSVP and a wiki listing
[schmarty] joined the channel
#
chrisaldrich We should definitely make it explicit, particularly for folks who are new to the community and wouldn't otherwise know.
#
chrisaldrich what is acquisition?
#
Loqi An acquisition within the IndieWeb is a type of post that enumerates purchases, gifts, donations, (stolen?!) and found things potentially with additional information like photos, descriptions, specifications, price paid, date/time acquired, location acquired from, and condition https://indieweb.org/acquisition
#
chrisaldrich acquisition << https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/17/google-gmail-tracks-purchase-history-how-to-delete-it.html
#
Loqi ok, I added "https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/17/google-gmail-tracks-purchase-history-how-to-delete-it.html" to the "See Also" section of /acquisition https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61395&oldid=45712
#
chrisaldrich acquisition << https://myaccount.google.com/purchases
#
Loqi ok, I added "https://myaccount.google.com/purchases" to the "See Also" section of /acquisition https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61396&oldid=61395
#
chrisaldrich Wow! Google apparently has tracked my purchases (through gmail) since as far back as 2012...
Katharina and [schmarty] joined the channel
#
[schmarty] Wow! That's creepy! So creepy! Ugh.
chrisaldrich, [cleverdevil] and [frank] joined the channel
#
boffosocko.com edited /discovery (+286) "IndieWeb examples, Silo examples; moved some see also examples up to definition 1" (view diff)
[tantek] joined the channel
#
boffosocko.com edited /discovery (+240) "typo; Share Your OPML" (view diff)
[Rose], jjuran, [cleverdevil] and [Michael_Beckwit joined the channel
#
GWG Okay. So my extra monitor is on to show the feed.
#
GWG Are we Zoom ready today?
#
[Rose] We will be!
#
GWG I'll be looking for links
#
[Rose] There will be 2-3 links.
#
tantek.com edited /color_palette (+73) "complete blockquote" (view diff)
#
david.shanske.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (+66) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
#
gRegorLove what is Timee?
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Timee" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Timee is ____", a sentence describing the term)
[frank] joined the channel
#
gRegorLove Timee is a clock service to help convert between timezones, used on some IndieWebCamp schedule pages https://timee.io/
#
Loqi ok
#
loqi.me created /Timee (+146) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
#
gRegorLove Timee << /Template:timee-link
#
Loqi ok, I added "/Template:timee-link" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Timee https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61405&oldid=61404
#
loqi.me edited /Timee (+40) "gRegorLove added "/Template:timee-link" to "See Also"" (view diff)
#
david.shanske.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (+231) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
#
GWG There, I think we should do that from now on.
#
GWG Too much timezone confusion
#
gRegorLove Check out /Template:timee-link too
#
GWG Didn't know we had that.
#
GWG My goal is to increase remote participation
#
gRegorLove timezones are hard
#
gRegorLove Always appreciated
#
david.shanske.com edited /rsvp (+224) "/* What value could be used to? */" (view diff)
[jeremycherfas], chrisaldrich and [Rose] joined the channel
#
[Rose] Zegnat, Frank and myself are all headed to IWC! We'll get set up for remote attendance.
#
loqi.me created /visibility (+24) "prompted by sebsel and redirect added by sebsel" (view diff)
#
rosemaryorchard.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (+601) "Add all the zoom links" (view diff)
#
loqi.me edited /post_status (+54) "sebsel added "[[Micropub-extensions#Visibility]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
#
seblog.nl edited /visibility (+19) "redirect to Micropub-extensions#Visibility" (view diff)
[grantcodes] joined the channel
#
paulrobertlloyd.com edited /2019/Brighton (+22) "Add Paul Robert Lloyd to list of attendees" (view diff)
#
www.jvt.me edited /2019/Oxford (-19) (view diff)
[Zegnat], [frank], [Rose], paulrobertlloyd, [jgmac1106] and djoerd joined the channel
#
www.jvt.me edited /Planning (+18) "/* Manchester, UK */" (view diff)
#
www.jvt.me edited /Planning (+18) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
[tantek] joined the channel
#
[tantek] [Paul_Robert Lloyd] it's a good question (re: en/discouraging flying re: potential climate impact etc.), we could give people a heads-up about it to consider. We have made other changes like recommend vegetarian / vegan food by default at IndieWebCamps. Reducing meat consumption has far more impact on the environment (reducing CO2 output and more) than flying, and we haven't put any such suggestions about that on the wiki:
#
[tantek] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth so I'd rather discuss starting there first, if the concern is what (most impactful) steps people in the community can take to reduce negative environmental impact.
#
[jgmac1106] We should note vegetarian and vegan food must be provided and should be encouraged as primary meal choices
#
[tantek] [jgmac1106] good point about IndieWebCamps being planned adjacent to existing events, thus focusing on attempting to be "flight neutral" for folks already flying to those events
#
Loqi agreed.
#
[tantek] [jgmac1106] IDK about "must be provided", also, consider past not eating your own cooking there, IWC NYC didn't provide vegetarian and vegan food. Not really good faith to make "must" requirements of organizers that you haven't yourself done successfully.
#
[tantek] I.e., set an example by doing rather than dictating first
#
[jgmac1106] Yeah ggod point
#
[tantek] set a good example to prove it can be done, then encourage others accordingly
#
[tantek] in that sense, organizers should act as leaders
#
[Rose] I would say "must" is not a good idea, it's entirely possible that an event might have zero vegetarians or vegans in attendance.
#
[tantek] or too hard for whatever reasons to provide food at all
#
[Rose] Of course, ideally there should be a variety of foods for all dietary needs and preferences.
#
[tantek] not sure about ideally. I'm ok with subsidizing the least / lower impact environmental food, and giving people the option to go out and buy their own meat
#
[Rose] Which makes sense.
#
[tantek] I thought the way sipgate provided vegan food by default was great
#
sebsel yes, I'm vegetarian too, but to say *must* does not sound inclusive at all to me
#
[Rose] I did like that.
#
[tantek] we can ask organizers to prioritize
#
[tantek] if you're going to provide food, prioritize providing vegan (low environmental impact) food first, then perhaps vegetarian next.
#
[tantek] anyway I encourage y'all to read that Guardian article
#
[tantek] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth
#
[Rose] Organiser question: Should keynote and demos be separate videos?
#
[tantek] yes
#
[tantek] always have been
#
[tantek] as in, good to check prior IndieWebCamps for evidence of patterns to answer questions like that 🙂
#
[Rose] I was 99% certain it was, we have been having some connection difficulties so I wanted to avoid clogging the stream by loading YouTube
#
GWG Zoom on Android is working reasonably well
#
Zegnat Good to hear GWG!
#
Zegnat Hope we are coming through clear
#
GWG It just stopped
#
GWG Is there something going on now?
#
[jgmac1106] Demos started... Switch videos?
#
[Rose] We started the video again.
#
[Rose] Had to stop it and start it to get a second video.
jgmac1106 joined the channel
#
jgmac1106 in future if Zoom is working ans schedule fits we should try to default to allowing remote demos
[Djoerd_Hiemstra joined the channel
#
blog.vanessahamshere.uk edited /User:Blog.vanessahamshere.uk (+34) "/* Vanessa Hamshere */" (view diff)
#
diggingthedigital.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (-350) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
[kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
diggingthedigital.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (+143) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
#
david.shanske.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (+0) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
#
GWG Attentionfair is what?
#
sknebel do we have a place where we collect notes about using Zoom?
#
diggingthedigital.com uploaded /File:Keynote-IndieWebCamp-Utrecht-2019.pdf "Keynote by Frank Meeuwsen on the Indieweb https://indieweb.org/File:Keynote-IndieWebCamp-Utrecht-2019.pdf"
#
diggingthedigital.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (+53) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
#
diggingthedigital.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (+2) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
#
diggingthedigital.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (+1) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
#
diggingthedigital.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (+1) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
#
www.onedaycompany.nl edited /2019/Utrecht (+24) (view diff)
[jgmac1106] joined the channel
#
[jgmac1106] Not around today with baseball coaching but if folks wok at the venue host shopagina happy to talk e-commerce and IndieWeb other time.
#
www.onedaycompany.nl edited /2019/Utrecht (-4) (view diff)
#
www.onedaycompany.nl edited /2019/Utrecht (+5) (view diff)
#
[jgmac1106] Not getting sound on Building Blocks am I only one? Didn't see anyone in attentionfair
#
GWG I had to reset to get sound.
[jeremycherfas] joined the channel
#
[jeremycherfas] We are here in attentionfair
#
www.onedaycompany.nl created /User:Www.onedaycompany.nl (+323) "Created page with "My name is Ewout Wolff, online aficionado, business persons, organizer of events on digital and kitchen tables on the future of internet. Likes discussing, speaking, writing...."" (view diff)
#
[jgmac1106] Assuming no stream then from attentionfair JeremyCherfas can you try to make sure good notes end up in the etherpad
#
www.onedaycompany.nl edited /User:Www.onedaycompany.nl (+23) (view diff)
#
[jeremycherfas] Just realized nobody is taking notes.
#
[jeremycherfas] I’ll try to reconstruct.
#
www.onedaycompany.nl edited /User:Www.onedaycompany.nl (+19) (view diff)
[tantek] joined the channel
#
[tantek] What is a11yclub
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "a11yclub" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "a11yclub is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#
[tantek] Hmm
#
[tantek] Well photos have been posted! Cc [aaronpk] Adactio https://twitter.com/a11yclub/status/1129637293004926977
#
@a11yclub 📷 Delighted to bring you a set of photos of last Wednesday's meetup — thanks to @Annika81 for the majority of shots! It was an awesome event. https://flic.kr/s/aHsmDm6GKg (twitter.com/_/status/1129637293004926977)
#
djoerdhiemstra.com created /User:Djoerdhiemstra.com (+16) "Created page with "It's me, Djoerd."" (view diff)
jgmac1106 joined the channel
#
djoerdhiemstra.com created /Template:djoerd (+15) "Created page with "Djoerd Hiemstra"" (view diff)
#
djoerdhiemstra.com edited /2019/Utrecht (+13) "/* Volunteers */" (view diff)
[pfefferle], [tonz] and [Rose] joined the channel
#
[Rose] !tell aaronpk I don't know which archive.org account to use, or should I use my own to upload files?
#
Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
#
GWG Running behind?
#
[Rose] Starting now
#
diggingthedigital.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (-26) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
#
GWG I'm going for Not Oversharing.
#
GWG If there is nothing new in Readers
#
[Rose] Zegnat is updating the session grid, but Not oversharing is the only session right now
#
diggingthedigital.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule () "(-617) /* Changes in schedule */" (view diff)
[jeremycherfas] joined the channel
#
vanderven.se martijn edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (+514) "Add evening data" (view diff)
[stefp] and [jgmac1106] joined the channel
#
[jgmac1106] can people make sure to add themselves as participants to the etherpad
[tonz] joined the channel
#
aaronpk [Rose]: ah crap that's what I forgot to do yesterday!
#
Loqi aaronpk: [Rose] left you a message 1 hour, 19 minutes ago: I don't know which archive.org account to use, or should I use my own to upload files?
#
sknebel [Rose]: still no stream for the other room?
#
sknebel (seems muted?)
#
sknebel (other = hardware)
#
sknebel [Rose]
#
[Rose] Shouldn't be
#
[Rose] Hmmm, I need to look into why it was muted, it is now unmuted.
#
sknebel aaronpk: do we have a place to collect info/feedback about Zoom?
#
aaronpk Zoom in particular or remote participation via zoom?
#
sknebel the latter
#
aaronpk What is remote participation?
#
Loqi remote participation refers to good practices for enabling people to take part in IndieWebCamp events at a different location and collaboration across locations https://indieweb.org/remote_participation
#
aaronpk I'd say there
#
aaronpk Is the bandwidth at the venue really bad? Or is this on my end?
#
sknebel having problems too
#
aaronpk It's barely getting audio through and I'm getting like 1 frame per second of really blurry video
#
sknebel [Rose]: orange room appears muted again
#
sknebel seems it auto-mutes on connection loss?)
#
aaronpk Hm participants are set to auto mute on join, but the host should not
#
sknebel if the loose connection, they lose host status? :D
#
aaronpk I don't think so? At least not if it's logged in properly
#
sknebel well, given the video quality audio is probably useless too, so not too important
#
aaronpk Screen sharing is working better than the video
[jeremycherfas] joined the channel
#
sknebel other room :D
#
sknebel giving up on remote
#
aaronpk It's working ok for me now that I'm not trying to share it to my appletv
#
aaronpk The reader room is
#
aaronpk I'm hearing a lot of background noise, assuming that's from the other space?
#
[Rose] Yes, they're right behind us
#
[Rose] Unfortunately it's that or play a game of sardines
#
aaronpk Good to know. It's barely tolerable on this end. I think we shouldn't plan on that in the future
#
[Rose] Sorry about that, it's not too bad in person.
#
aaronparecki.com edited /remote_participation (+530) (view diff)
#
Zegnat We had multiple connectivity issues at the start of the day too. I think some streaming is being done on a separate 5GHz network
[ephes] joined the channel
#
aaronparecki.com edited /discovery (+29) "/* IndieWebCamp Related Sessions */" (view diff)
[dariusdunlap] joined the channel
#
aaronparecki.com edited /discovery (+100) "/* Silo Examples */" (view diff)
Katharina, [frank], [manton], [jgmac1106], vivus, [tonz] and [aaronpk] joined the channel
#
[aaronpk] The last session of the day was way easier to hear everyone remotely
#
[jgmac1106] Hangouts been most reliable but hopefully just the learning curve and us writing documentation... How would people check venue bandwidth ahead of time?
#
[jgmac1106] Space beats bandwidth everytime but good to know ahead of time.
#
[tonz] The venue owner seemed surprised by low upload speeds as well. As they are relying on connectivity for their work and didn't expect issues
[jeremycherfas], [frank], [sebsel], [Zegnat], [Rose] and [kim_landwehr] joined the channel
#
boffosocko.com edited /discovery (+68) "IndieWeb example: http://feedbase.io/" (view diff)
[cleverdevil], [tantek], [jgmac1106], jgmac1106, [jeremycherfas], [manton] and [tonz] joined the channel
#
www.zylstra.org blog edited /2019/Utrecht (+1) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
#
GWG [jgmac1106]: I would like to try a Fire tablet and Zoom. One of these days, maybe I will try to ask you to pretend to be the remoter
[Vanessa], [frank], [calumryan], gRegorLove and [tonz] joined the channel
#
GWG Unless I should try it for tomorrow
[Rose], [tantek] and [cleverdevil] joined the channel
#
[tantek] Really curious how many hits we’re getting from people searching for “IndieWeb” (since The New Yorker article didn’t give a URL)