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@qubyte New blog post published! https://qubyte.codes/blog/a-new-service-to-handle-webmention-dispatch-for-you tweet by https://tweet-new-blog-posts.glitch.me/ #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1141134190932627456)
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boffosocko.com edited /OPML (+23) "link to details and spec" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich From Following posts and blogrolls/following pages with OPML to Microsub servers and readers #IndieWeb #WordPress #RSS @jackjamieson @dshanske @davewiner @ylefebvre40 https://boffosocko.com/2019/06/18/from-following-posts-and-blogrolls-following-pages-with-opml-to-microsub-servers-and-readers/ (twitter.com/_/status/1141216395545305088)
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@johanbove ↩️ I share your concerns regarding HTML as the foundation of the Web. However it seems that you haven't joined the #indieweb movement yet. Have you heard about it? (twitter.com/_/status/1141265069852037120)
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@calum_ryan Website owners of London — it’s Homebrew Website Club next Wednesday from 7pm at ProvenDough Deli+Bar (Covent Garden). Come along and we’ll work on our personal sites together. https://indieweb.org/events/2019-06-26-homebrew-website-club#London (https://calumryan.com/note/2805) (twitter.com/_/status/1141288769246650368)
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@johanbove ↩️ Well, you can augment the functionality of your personal site by adding web sign-in, microformats2 and webmentions. These are the building blocks of the Indieweb. I would invite you to visit these sites about the IndieWeb: https://indiewebify.me/ and https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started (twitter.com/_/status/1141303514829860871)
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@johanbove ↩️ @peterjlambert Also @ChrisAldrich has written up a great introduction to the Indieweb: https://boffosocko.com/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1141304575758143489)
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johanbove.info edited /User:Johanbove.info (+577) "Added itches and plans" (view diff)
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johanbove.info edited /User:Johanbove.info (+17) "Moved itch to "working on"" (view diff)
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remysharp.com edited /Webmention (+440) "Add webmention.app to publishing services." (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 I purchased two site licenses for @getkirby yesterday and I was excited to learn they allow free licenses for education and open source projects. This is a really great platform. Excited to be working with @MarquisLock to create #IndieWeb course template… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/06/19/i-purchased-two-site-licenses-for-getkirby (twitter.com/_/status/1141317398877954048)
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[jgmac1106] jbove++ for the outreach work
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@Cambridgeport90 Need to find a different web host for this stuff, me thinks, considering I don’t think my current one supports the URL rewrite module, and I kinda need that for my Laravel adventure with Aperture/monacle (See my Indieweb Journey series as it continues!)… https://cambridgeport90.net/248-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1141319609414541312)
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@Cambridgeport90 Need to find a different web host for this stuff, me thinks, considering I don’t think my current one supports the URL rewrite module, and I kinda need that for my Laravel adventure with Aperture/monacle (See my Indieweb Journey series as it continues!)… https://cambridgeport90.net/249-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1141319672110944258)
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@Cambridgeport90 Happy Wednesday, everyone. seemingly some of my comments up here ended up back on the #IndieWeb; I don't have this linked to anything up there, so, not sure how. Other than work, have to wait till I get home to finish up testing; my… https://qoto.org/@cambridgeport90/102298329903804382 (twitter.com/_/status/1141327670527086602)
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@khurtwilliams @ChrisAldrich if I remember correctly you had a blog post where you described how you created some mobile browser shortcut for use with IndieWeb response types. Can you share a link to that? (twitter.com/_/status/1141332498162638848)
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petermolnar I hit walls with asking booking to host iwc amsterdam
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petermolnar if anyone has alternatives, please ask around
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@davewiner I'm glad to see a few #indieweb people building on OPML. http://scripting.com/2019/06/19.html#a153106 (twitter.com/_/status/1141370480781352963)
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petermolnar sigh. dave and his technology tunnel vision.
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[tantek] "listicle" is a term that should never have been created. Ugh
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[tantek] nevermind the phrase "My listicle tool" 🤦‍♂️
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aaronpk ...wow...
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[jgmac1106] petermolnar in his defense Chris tagged him
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[tantek] I'm sorry I just had to call that out.
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@manton2 I had a couple extra hours last night before the scheduled server upgrade. Used the time to work on the book and made a bunch of progress, including editing the transcript of my audio interview with the IndieWeb co-founders last year. (twitter.com/_/status/1141375945149964288)
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[tantek] on a positive note, the more folks talking about #indieweb, the better
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petermolnar true
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petermolnar [jgmac1106]: there is no defense for building on opml, unless it's a feed list :D
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petermolnar I'd rather see foaf microdata xml, than opml
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petermolnar and that tells it all
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[tantek] wow that's pretty dark petermolnar 😂
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[tantek] another positive note, notice that that dw tweet is a POSSE tweet with an original post permalink on the end
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[jgmac1106] plurality can never mean perfection at all so many people I know use OPML and have zero idea what a RFC822 date is
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[tantek] so the patterns we've developed and promoted are being adopted, whether or not being explicitly acknowledged for it
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petermolnar so... essentially... he's part of #indieweb... but he'll never admit it
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[jgmac1106] good catch tantek
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aaronpk tantek++ for positivity
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Loqi tantek has 46 karma in this channel over the last year (118 in all channels)
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[tantek] it's ok, we don't require such identification petermolnar
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petermolnar I know
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[jgmac1106] does he have a website? Yep, then #indieweb enough for me
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[tantek] it's much more important that people use indieweb building blocks and techniques than they label themselves "indieweb"
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[tantek] let people label themselves however they wish.
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petermolnar of course he does, scripting.com
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petermolnar [tantek]++
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Loqi [tantek] has 47 karma in this channel over the last year (119 in all channels)
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aaronpk in fact it's more of a success metric that people use indieweb building blocks without identifying than name it
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[jgmac1106] rhetorica, sorry I should not use those
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petermolnar although there is power in names
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] per my positive notes above, at least some of those tweets are POSSE tweets with original post links back to a personal site
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[tantek] what is rhetorica?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rhetorica" yet. Would you like to create it?_H (Or just say "rhetorica is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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petermolnar gtg, I'll come back to this later
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[jgmac1106] my question was tantek, I should avoid rhetorical questions in multilingual communities
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[jgmac1106] ohh missing the l...sorry hands bad today
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[tantek] what is rhetorical?
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Loqi rhetorical is … wait, did you really want an answer? https://indieweb.org/rhetorical
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[tantek] 🙂
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[tantek] rhetorica is /rhetorical
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /rhetorica (+23) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks786] Rhetorica sounds like a name for an alt-right mastodon fork.
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[kevinmarks786] Hah http://www.rhetorica.net/
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[kevinmarks786] The posts there are a bit sad on trying to restore wp backups
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[tantek] wow: http://www.rhetorica.net/2019/01/15/working-on-it/
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[tantek] I had no idea WordPress backup/restore was still so painful
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[schmarty] WP XML-based export and restore are a straight mess.
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[kevinmarks786] There's always reddoric.com
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[schmarty] it includes minimal post metadata, doesn't have a way to export uploaded images and other files, and leaves all URLs the same.
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[schmarty] it's also all-or-nothing so many hosts will kill the PHP process trying to do an export.
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[schmarty] as it runs out of memory or time.
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[kevinmarks786] Or an import, which was O(n^2) for some reason
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[kevinmarks786] I remember segmenting the xml to import in chunks
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boffosocko.com edited /why (+507) "/* Content loss */ copyright removal and fair use with example and quote" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /Events (-34) "/* June */ -NYC" (view diff)
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GWG I really need to work on export/import too
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GWG [schmarty]: This weekend?
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boffosocko.com edited /why (+237) "/* Content loss */ TWiT example of removal of news/analysis to censor but ostensibly for Copyright infringement" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2019-06-22-homebrew-website-club-nyc (+124) "canceled because it's summer and people are busy on weekends!" (view diff)
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[schmarty] GWG: canceling this weekend b/c too many people had conflicts.
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GWG [schmarty]: Oh well
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GWG Summit is soon
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[schmarty] looking forward to it!
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[jgmac1106] rhetorica now knows why I gave up on import and export of WordPress and just moved my blog to an archiven even with the broken redirects I can't get to work
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GWG I need to figure out an Indieweb event to attend in August or September.
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[jgmac1106] gwg I am trying for NYC again then
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GWG [jgmac1106]: I know. But if I'm now going to be abroad in late October/November I need to use my time off
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GWG And I use it usually for IWC
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[jgmac1106] go to Brighton and the Mozfest, be great vacation
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[frank] [petermolnar_] I see your question on IWC Amsterdam and venue. Is there anything I can do to help? I’m from Utrecht.
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[jgmac1106] or to the View Source just posted
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sknebel hm... gotta ask around if I know someone who knows someone at TechInc maybe ...
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sknebel or actually, [tonz] might know someone there?
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@ton_zylstra @davewiner re http://scripting.com/2019/06/19.html#a153106 #indieweb and opml. Just added my opml to feedbase, after logging w Twitter. As to #indieweb, logging in w #indieauth for feedbase would be gr8. (twitter.com/_/status/1141401105609515008)
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aaronpk tonz++
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loqi.me edited /User:Www.svenknebel.de (+136) "sknebel added "TODO for self: compare X-Ray's feed handling with documented algorithms/patterns, document differences if they exist" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[tantek] tonz++ for positive engagement
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[tantek] aaronpk, gonna ask you to demo Monocle preview at Summit in your keynote 🙂
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aaronpk good idea :)
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[tantek] I think shipped within the past month counts as Cutting Edge 😄
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[grantcodes] When is iws?
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit 2019 is June 29-30, 2019 (Saturday & Sunday), in Portland, Oregon; the ninth annual gathering for independent web creators of all kinds, graphic artists, designers, UX engineers, coders, hackers, to share ideas, create & improve their personal websites, and build upon each others creations https://indieweb.org/IWS
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[grantcodes] I'm also hoping to have v3 of together officially out by then too 🙂 with a lot of updates within the last month. Some of the hidden features are particularly cutting edge 😛
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sknebel [grantcodes]++ for together and the github notification wave my mail account drowned in today :D
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@schmarty I will be speaking briefly at #IndieWeb Summit next weekend about "Owning Your Mobile Experience"! What do you wish you could do with your personal website on your mobile device? https://martymcgui.re/2019/06/19/152602/ (twitter.com/_/status/1141429457384878080)
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[schmarty] ^^ feedback welcome, invited, begged-for!
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Mikaela|XMPP Should I tell Loqi somehow that I am also Mikaela.info?
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[grantcodes] Haha sorry, not sorry sknebel.
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Mikaela|XMPP Or actually I should probably open an issue about actually following account names, I think freenode announced account-tag support not long ago
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aaronpk Mikaela|XMPP: if you want to stick with this nick you can add it to https://indieweb.org/chat-names
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Mikaela|XMPP Are multiple nicks OK?
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Mikaela|XMPP It's probably not very important though and all of me identify under the same NickServ account
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aaronpk Yeah Loqi doesn't care
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Mikaela|XMPP Does it count as a bug or issueworthy?
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aaronpk You can just add another entry there on that page. All it really does it make your picture show up in the logs
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Mikaela|XMPP Thanks, I will see after I get on laptop
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@EddieHinkle IndieWebKit is 78% complete! I've gotten majority of features done for IndieAuth, Micropub and Microsub. some more work for parsing responses in Microsub, uploading files in Micropub, and fix an Authentication Services issue (https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/06/19/6/note/) (twitter.com/_/status/1141444149993988102)
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[tantek] what is IndieWebKit?
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Loqi IndieWebKit is a Swift library that provides client APIs for interacting with IndieAuth, Micropub, and Microsub from apps in the Apple ecosystem https://indieweb.org/IndieWebKit
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[tantek] whoa. neat!
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[tantek] eddie++
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[tantek] do we need an indieweb-aaronpk channel where we discuss SPOAs? 😉
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boffosocko.com edited /unmung (+53) "note about using Mastoview for discovery; see also" (view diff)
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[eddie] Thanks tantek 😁 I’m pretty excited about it. If nothing else to make my life easier with the 4 apps I’m working on
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GWG What about SPOG?
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GWG Or SPOT?
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GWG Or SPOM?
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@jay_hoffmann Any #indieweb followers out there have a successful sub/pub connection to Twitter set up from an Indieweb reader? Looking for tutorials. (twitter.com/_/status/1141489682301280256)