#meta 2019-06-18

2019-06-18 UTC
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GWG Wondering what I should bring to Summit
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[jgmac1106] good vibes and clothes, both essential
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[jgmac1106] well not on nude bike night, but I wouldn't bring a bike...too hard to fly
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[jgmac1106] maybe some wipes, probably good idea to wipe seat before and after, folks get sweaty biking
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GWG Not biking
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GWG Either way, I meant...any hardware? Mozilla should have everything.
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[jgmac1106] too easy for a wildly innapropriate joke there...but yeah and I would check with tantek and aaronpk different rules about the networks there and I don't know equipment there
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jacky GWG: you're a Linux user too?
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GWG Yes, why?
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jacky w.r.t travel stuff - I always bring my own dongle for my laptop for projecting
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jacky got burned too many times re: that
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GWG Dongle?
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GWG HDMI is pretty prevalent
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jacky Yeah some newer Macbooks don't have HDMI Out IIRC
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jacky so depending on the environment; you won't see it there
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GWG jacky: I've never bought a Mac product.
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[jgmac1106] is the mechanical keyboard coming
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[jgmac1106] you always have the best two monitor dueel set up, I was referring to the chromebook you bring to stream remote rooms, I do not know what what state of streaming individual session rooms will be thus the question
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[jgmac1106] dual..though a two monitor duel set up could be interesting....
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GWG [jgmac1106]: I have an even smaller one.
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GWG But I was thinking of the chromebook setup and whether it was needed
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gRegorLove MozPDX has (had?) Vidyo in the breakout rooms
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gRegorLove That was 2017 though. /2019 indicates Zoom
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boffosocko.com edited /book () "(-11911) Trimmed Anthologize description; added PubPub community publishing platform" (view diff)
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aaronpk thanks that reminds me i need tantek to confirm they've switched PDX to Zoom
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aaronpk because then we can use their Zoom with our account
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@johanbove ↩️ This is a great idea @jgmac1106 Learning #Badges should be implemented by @khanacademy, @udacity and @Codecademy and actually all other online learning platforms. Have you reached out to these online course providers yet? #indieweb #webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1140890444001402880)
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@CharlesGedeon ↩️ Hmm... not sure. You can also check out @svbtle which is beautiful and has been around for a while: https://svbtle.com/ Or look at some of the guidelines to go “indie” @indiewebcamp : https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1140941110979768321)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ We have guides on getting started https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started comes down to your desires and goals. Skills can be learned. If you want turn key everything just works look to @microdotblog, then its use a CMS like WordPress, Drupal, Known, or… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/06/18/charlesgedeon-we-have-guides-on-getting-started (twitter.com/_/status/1140949490184151046)
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jgmac1106 !tell sadike25 sorry I missed HWC Accra, I did not see it on the event page so forgot we were meeting. I was swamped with my brother’s wedding. Make sure to add it to the wiki next time so I know
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jgmac1106 Hey @trentmkays love the way your WordPress site works. If you ever want to try and add the #IndieWeb building blocks to join the modern social web let me know. Would love to work with you on updating your site or theme (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1C0mUU) (twitter.com/_/status/1140960681883262977)
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@BillSeitz IndieWeb posts about private-notebook vs public posts? #NodeWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1140967611905335296)
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@jgmac1106 For just you to see? yes most CMS enable that, more excitingly people getting really close on private posts between friends check: https://indieweb.org/private_posts#IndieWeb_Examples I tried it yesterday I log in to someone's post with my domain and if I am authorized I get to… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/06/18/for-just-you-to-see-yes-most (twitter.com/_/status/1140970898989735936)
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tantek.com edited /Google (+20) "Slides" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Google_Slides (+256) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Google_Slides (+317) "[tantek] added "Criticism: is frustrating to use on an airplane / slow WiFi: https://twitter.com/dietrich/status/1140861711848812544" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[tantek] so much -dev talk in #indieweb since I left the conversation. I have no idea what to do about this. Suggestions?
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[tantek] like do we need to have an explicit practice of don't even answer short/simple dev questions because it just encourages more?
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[tantek] i.e. instead, when someone asks a questions, redirect them immediately to re-ask the question in dev? Or ask them to join you in dev and then link to their question from indieweb there?
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jgmac1106 I find the dev talk to be heavy very early on (my time like 4edt-7edt) in the IndieWeb main channel
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jgmac1106 though if it is someone’s first time there asking questions sometimes people wait a turn or two before sending to #dev
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[tantek] no more waiting
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[tantek] please immediately redirect
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[tantek] that's part of the problem
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jgmac1106 and nobody was new this morning, all old hands,
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[tantek] when the "regulars" contribute to dev talk in #indieweb then it legitimizes it or confuses people who have been trying to stay focused
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[tantek] right, that's my point
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[tantek] sorta meta sorta indieweb so preferring here to err on the side of less noise in #indieweb:
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[tantek] [manton] do you have or publish any info about the number of micro.blog accounts, users, users with their own domain?
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[tantek] would be interesting to know and measure the growth of over time
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[tantek] we used to have some WithKnown numbers (for the service) and some guesstimates of Known deployments but it's been a while since I think [benatwork] has had numbers to share for that
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] where is the summary activity page on the wiki? We should also be able to get number of WP installs over past year from @gwg
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[tantek] IDK what you mean by “summary activity page”
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[tantek] [snarfed] has Indiemap been updated and if so is there any history or snapshots of numbers etc over the years? Anything we can see for trends / changes over time?
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Zegnat AFAIK Indiemap has only had a single crawler run. No updates.
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jgmac1106 there is a page I have seen that gives you totals of number of new pages, edits, active users
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@m_ott http://webmention.app is a platform agnostic service that will check a given URL for links to other sites, discover if they support webmentions, then send a webmention to the target. By @rem #IndieWeb #takebackyourweb #letsfixthis Repo: https://github.com/remy/wm (twitter.com/_/status/1141009442403749888)
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@zachleat Oh my—gonna be thinking about this Getting started section of @rem’s http://webmention.app for awhile. What a great way to let people tell you what they’re comfortable with in your documentation: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9Wucc1XoAADvNR.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1141010340337111040)
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aaronpk weren't we talking about something like this for the home page? https://twitter.com/_/status/1141010340337111040
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[schmarty] yep
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[schmarty] except by my recollection the "three paths" design as described asked the onboarding path question much less directly 🙃
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[manton] [tantek] No, I haven't published anything about that yet... Still relatively small but growing a little every day, so at some point I will crunch the numbers and share some stats. I think % who have custom domains or external sites would be interesting.
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[manton] I'm redesigning some of the initial sign-up screens as well and want to better emphasize using your own domain name. We try to mention it a lot in the help, but some people still miss it.
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@johanbove Awesome service! Will give the https://webmention.app some time for testing. Did you announce this to the #indieweb crowd at https://indieweb.org yet? (twitter.com/_/status/1141012675809468418)
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aaronpk haha we saw :)
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aaronpk I do wish I could have told him I was thinking about renaming webmention.io to webmention.app and then decided to not continue my bad habit of naming services after the protocol
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[schmarty] aaronpk++ for loqi jargon progress!
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Loqi aaronpk has 55 karma in this channel over the last year (240 in all channels)
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@rem ↩️ I had been asking the Indieweb people over slack/irc to give it a test and they helped me find a couple of nice ones because they had more use and combinations of microformats. (twitter.com/_/status/1141013932892676096)
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jgmac1106 wow that was fast aaronpk, will look at list tonight
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aaronpk it doesn't do anything yet! working on it
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[jgmac1106] Ohh i know but conceptual work counts too
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aaronpk !rt https://twitter.com/adactio/status/1141026442257547264
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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jacky !rt https://twitter.com/adactio/status/1141026442257547264
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Loqi Thanks jacky and aaronpk! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1141036118877466626
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Five is far from enough. Here’s just a few in #EdTech #IndieWeb #DoOO @kfitz @cathieleblanc @actualham @amcollier @audreywatters @rhiaro @kimberlyhirsh @catherinecronin @mburtis @Autumm @clhendricksbc @Bali_Maha @readywriting @merbroussard [more] https://boffosocko.com/2019/06/18/inspiring-women-in-educational-technology/ (twitter.com/_/status/1141039906665353216)
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[eddie] 😲
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sknebel lol
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aaronpk and so it begins
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aaronpk not sure what the threshold should be for that. right now it's 2 messages within 5 minutes
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jacky if I wanted to 'redesign' or purpose a design for some of the public facing IndieWeb properties; how would I go about it?
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jacky I was thinking about doing mockups and then writing about it on my site
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jacky but definitely curious if there's a more approved/solid (tm) way to do it
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[jgmac1106] Not sure who did this but signing into wiki to test IndieAuth was a great onboarding idea: https://mastodon.social/@jeannie/102294179310660201
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Loqi [Jeannie] @jgmac1106 They put the instructions for that on the indieauth site which I used for testing to make sure it was working so I do have my page there now, though it is very empty. 😋 Your help was invaluable to me this morning and I would not have ...
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jacky hm there's a link on https://indieauth.com that doesn't seem to point anywhere anymore
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jacky https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth#naming_confusion
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jacky ah it's at https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth-brainstorming#naming_confusion now
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aaronpk oh shoot thanks
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jacky that's thanks to [jgmac1106]'s mention of it!
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jgmac1106[m] Thx jacky she tooted the the same time you were talking about mock ups, thinking about how rem did his self efficacy questions has my mind spinning on how to onboard as folks try stuff
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jgmac1106[m] Did build this out that I want to turn into HTML slideshow... For the full callback https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1vUCtNPAr6yMvPXdquRnOC7okHJWf7pOb54PUXdssBQI/edit?usp=drivesdk
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jgmac1106[m] Kind of like what @calum_ryan did (i think he made the road map thing)
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jgmac1106[m] And this is why I added the possibility of the child care fund tix type for in person or remote https://mastodon.social/@jeannie/102292891067642805
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aaronpk jgmac1106[m]: the travel assistance section has always said that it's possible to use it for child care, i'm not sure what you mean
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jgmac1106[m] I know but I noticed some people purchase all three tix for support. Even if it they both go into same fund (and we would be explicit about it). The fact that we are aware and raise money for childcare
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aaronpk I don't really see any value in separating contributions to the travel assistance vs child care fund
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jgmac1106[m] It is just a good signal... And interesting A/B test between the two... And like I said it may just increase donations of folks who will just fund both
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aaronpk that just makes accounting more difficult
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jacky ^
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jacky increasingly so
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jacky tried this for a small conference in SF and one in NYC once
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aaronpk mentioning childcare in the travel assistance ticket is probably a good idea though
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aaronpk this is what's known as "restricted funds" and is the bain of all nonprofits existences
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jgmac1106[m] Okay that makes sense.
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jgmac1106[m] Just thought it was a regular LLC for now... But yeah more data, more lines, more problems
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aaronpk corporate structure doesn't affect that
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jgmac1106[m] We can talk about it at organizers. But like idea of renaming fund or being more explicit you can apply for childcare even as remote
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jgmac1106[m] Ahh thx didn't know and I serve on so many non profit boards... Not as treasurer obviously
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aaronpk my point is more about the spirit of it than any legal structure anyway. if you say "this money will be used for X but not Y" that is just a lot more admin overhead and I don't really see any benefit
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jgmac1106[m] Yeah also makes sense and then each pot has less and hands tied with less flexibility
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@jkphl ↩️ Jederzeit! Was hältst du davon, nächsten Mittwoch beim Homebrew Website Club vorbeizuschauen? https://indieweb.org/events/2019-06-26-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg Ich denke, @alexcio_ wird dann auch da sein ... (twitter.com/_/status/1141084078948700160)
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@jamey_sharp ↩️ This looks nice! I'm curious, though: did you evaluate https://github.com/strugee/lazymention or https://github.com/PlaidWeb/Pushl or https://git.cweiske.de/stapibas.git/blob/HEAD:/README.rst before building this, and if so, what kept you from using those? (They're all linked from https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Publisher_Services) (twitter.com/_/status/1141093707656990720)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @jamey_sharp @rem There's also one at http://mention.tech, but indieweb welcomes plurality over monoculture (twitter.com/_/status/1141095852989194241)
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@jamey_sharp ↩️ Oh, I ignored that one because https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Publisher_Services only described it as being able to receive webmentions, not send them. And of course, there are plenty of good reasons to write new implementations! (twitter.com/_/status/1141097580463419392)
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@gRegorLove ↩️ Though YMMV with that - people have run into some 500 errors. I think we are moving away from that on http://indiewebify.me in favor of using Telegraph (and maybe http://webmention.app, too!) (twitter.com/_/status/1141108539643109377)
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