#meta 2019-07-02

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@gRegorLove @atmlutter It was great meeting you this weekend! I didn't realize until last night that you were from Toronto. Maybe you and @jackjamieson could start up a Toronto #indieweb meetup? :) (twitter.com/_/status/1145854080910266368)
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@johanbove Thinking of organizing an #indieweb „Homebrew Website Club“ Meeting in Düsseldorf - what would be a good German name for this? „Hausgebrautes Website Club“ doesn’t really sound as cool. (twitter.com/_/status/1145923853786505216)
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[tantek] 2019 << https://www.instagram.com/p/BzZFAo3n4Oi/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.instagram.com/p/BzZFAo3n4Oi/" to the "See Also" section of /2019 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63152&oldid=63151
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@johanbove ↩️ Was just a thought actually how you would translate "Homebrew Website club" to German - in case I had to explain the concept to a - rare - German who is not confident in English. (twitter.com/_/status/1145942949060075520)
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@fluffy New post: Plaidophile: A long-winded IndieWeb ramble I wrote on the train back from Portland https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/674-A-long-winded-IndieWeb-ramble-I-wrote-on-the-train-back-from-Portland (twitter.com/_/status/1145950848385716225)
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@JamieTanna This is an awesome initiative - blogging has done such great things for my communication and documentation skills as well as giving me a place to call my own on this huge Web. This will definitely be a good convincer for the folks at #HomebrewWebsiteClub to step up and blog! (twitter.com/_/status/1145962117574615041)
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@fluffy Omg I just realized something great about IndieWeb protocols: it is WAY WAY EASIER to build a generative bot using feeds and optional WebSub In effect the various RSS-generating apps I’ve made ARE bots as far as IndieWeb cares How cool is that?! (twitter.com/_/status/1145975338020720640)
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@xtof_party Bravo Andy : Love your work ! Eager to see your website on https://indieweb.org/Eleventy :) #dogfood #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1145998968717041665)
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[Slackbot]1 [@xtof_party] Bravo Andy : Love your work !
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[Slackbot]1 Eager to see your website on https://indieweb.org/Eleventy :)
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[Slackbot]1 #dogfood #indieweb (https://twitter.com/_/status/1145998968717041665)
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@ton_zylstra Gezocht in Amsterdam: ruimte voor #IndieWebCamp op 28/29 september. Benodigd 3 ruimten (1 max 35, 2 max 10-12), de grotere op beide dagen, de anderen alleen de 1e dag. Budget: liefst gesponsord door gebruiker v.d. ruimte. Bijv. vergaderruimtes… https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2019/07/7723/ (twitter.com/_/status/1146004782588542978)
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@ton_zylstra Gezocht in Amsterdam: ruimte voor #IndieWebCamp op 28/29 september. Benodigd 3 ruimten (1 max 35, 2 max 10-12), de grotere op beide dagen, de anderen alleen de 1e dag. Budget: liefst gesponsord door gebruiker v.d. ruimte. Bijv. vergaderruimtes… https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2019/07/7723/ (twitter.com/_/status/1146004782588542978)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ You can your events anything you want. NYC and Austin just use #IndieWeb Meetup as many don't find HWC resonates. In New Haven we call ourselves Elm City Webmakers. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/24VESa) (twitter.com/_/status/1146013101705367552)
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@jgmac1106 ↩ You can your events anything you want. NYC and Austin just use #IndieWeb Meetup as many don't find HWC resonates. In New Haven we call ourselves Elm City Webmakers. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/24VESa) (twitter.com/_/status/1146013101705367552)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ If you were looking for a German translation of Homebrew Website Club what would mean the same as Do It Yourself website Club? or to tinker..build together? (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1OqeMc) (twitter.com/_/status/1146013576165036032)
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@jgmac1106 ↩ If you were looking for a German translation of Homebrew Website Club what would mean the same as Do It Yourself website Club? or to tinker..build together? (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1OqeMc) (twitter.com/_/status/1146013576165036032)
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@ChangelingMx ↩️ Sure. He's a big player in the #IndieWeb community. I personally have it set up to only post checkins with text, but that's my preference. (twitter.com/_/status/1146015511697928192)
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@dajbelshaw ↩️ @steven_kolber Short podcast: https://indieweb.org/microcast (twitter.com/_/status/1146019935652634625)
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sebsel [tonz]++ for looking for a home for HWC Amsterdam
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sebsel have been thinking about options too, but I don't have many
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sebsel but we kind of need to have one in that weekend
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@johanbove ↩️ That was the issue yes. None of the ideas that I could come up to, with my limited German vocabulary, resound in the same cool way as "Homebrew Website Club". So sticking to that for now! :-) (twitter.com/_/status/1146025830331682816)
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[tonz] [sebsel] we can use my company’s offices that weekend for sure, but it’s in Utrecht not Amsterdam
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[tonz] So that’s the fallback option
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sebsel Nice! Amsterdam would be better, as we had one in Utrecht this year already, but still!
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sebsel We have had 2's before.
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[tonz] Well we could just say Amsterdam, kindalike Weeze airfield being called Dusseldorf airport by Ryanair.
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GWG [tonz]: Don't get me started on that
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@xtof_party Premiers pas enthousiastes sur Hylia le kit de démarrage @eleven_ty conçu par @andybelldesign Un grand merci @DirtyF pour l'aide sur le CMS @forestryio https://indieweb.me/posts/un-post-avec-forestry/ (Bug de mise à jour de date résolu en réglant le fuseau horaire dans Settings.) (twitter.com/_/status/1146031762285432832)
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[tonz] it’s 32 mins from Amsterdam Central. Most of Amsterdam’s likely event locations are probably further than 30mins from Amsterdam central
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jeremycherfas If we all stay in Amsterdam (except [tonz] and frank) and take the train together, we could start on the train and it would still be AMS.
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[tonz] Did that once for a global FabLab conf, which was nominally in Amsterdam, but with sessions in 3 other Dutch Fablabs….we bused people to other locations (one was 2hrs away) and did workshops on the bus, and an excursion along the way.
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[jgmac1106] gwg and I want to plan an Indieweb train that starts in Boston goes to Washington DC and then back to Boston the next day or same day, people in other cities can hop on and off as they want
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[jgarber] The Northeast Corridor IndieTrain?
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[jgmac1106] yeah, just own the cafe cars the entire time, just a rando idea we keep throwing around
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[jgmac1106] there is prior indie train art, be fun to coordinate a world indie train day
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[jgmac1106] [tonz] [petermolnar_] [jeremycherfas] I have some second degree connections to faculty here: https://www.uva.nl/en/discipline/literary-studies/staff/staff-literary-studies.html?1562073122957= (did research with post docs or faculty who have moved on). Happy to reach out
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[jgmac1106] There are also faculty members I do not know on the Extended Mind and Activity list serv (XMCA-Hegliean, Vygotsky, Marxist and/or but usually some remix of all or none Activity Theory). Aware of abd helping me with my research into IndieWeb and learning theory. Happy to post a request there as well
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[jgmac1106] just let me know
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@jkphl ↩️ Gegenfrage: Wie sieht's nächste Woche Mittwoch Abend zum (noch nicht angekündigten) Homebrew Website Club aus? Ich tue mich ehrlich gesagt untertags schwer, weil Streß / Überlastung und Events == Hobby. ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1146071847089442816)
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gRegorLove Organizer meetup etherpad archived to https://indieweb.org/2019/Organizers#Notes, checked off the items I know are completed. Organizers please review that and the Task List sub-section for open tasks
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[schmarty] gRegorLove++
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jacky gRegorLove: is archiving === copying etherpad to respective Wiki page?
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jacky if so, I can help with that
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gRegorLove jacky, yep! and some formatting. Notes here: https://indieweb.org/Etherpad#Archiving_IndieWebCamp_notes I'm only doing the first slot of sessions now so if you want you can start with the second slot
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gRegorLove The session wiki pages are red linked on /2019/Schedule
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jacky ah, I started on the 16:10 row
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gRegorLove that works!
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gRegorLove Oh, and the category name is slightly different from those instructions since it's summit: `[[Category: IndieWeb Summit 2019]]`
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jacky ah gotcha
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jacky timeslider to get authorship info to cite people correctly helps out a lot
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gRegorLove Oh wow. Only if you want to. I don't usually go to that extent :)
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jacky lol yeah it was more work than I wanted
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jacky helps in the future to poke those who had interest tho
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jacky oh interesting
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jacky some of the etherpads are reused
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gRegorLove yep!
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gRegorLove That 4-line snippet we leave in there helps discover previous sessions day-of
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gRegorLove I usually put them in reverse chronological if they're not already
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gRegorLove ooh, bless whoever took notes for long-form syndication, they used mediawiki syntax :)
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jacky what is campaignmonitor
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "campaignmonitor" yet. Would you like to create it?_v (Or just say "campaignmonitor is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky what is mailchimop
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mailchimop" yet. Would you like to create it?_w (Or just say "mailchimop is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky what is mailchimp
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Loqi MailChimp is a service for sending emails https://indieweb.org/MailChimp
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@curlycomedy ↩️ @caledoni72 You’re on thin ice lady! Don’t snitch tag! https://indieweb.org/snitch_tagging (twitter.com/_/status/1146091461261320194)
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gRegorLove jacky++ for wiki gardening
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[tantek] gRegorLove++ for archiving and also jacky++
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[tantek] [tonz] re: IWC AMS venue for end of September, I need to put you in touch with my co-worker [spersing] who is organizing View Source. DM me your email and I can connect.
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@jackjamieson Thanks Gregor! @atmlutter I didn’t realize you’re in Toronto. An #indieweb meetup sounds fun! (https://jackjamieson.net/?p=15094) (twitter.com/_/status/1146099642695897090)
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[jared078] I had such a great time at IWC in Portland! Is there a monthly meetup around here (Homebrew Website Club?) on IndieWeb stuff or is it more ad-hoc? I'd totally be willing to help organize something if there's interest.
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[jgmac1106] mJarod expressed a ton of interest. Maybe Darius as well
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[jgmac1106] What is planning?
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Loqi The IndieWebCamp community is planning numerous upcoming events, including future IndieWebCamps, regular Homebrew Website Club meetups, talks, and other proposals — if you'd like to help, please contribute to this page https://indieweb.org/Planning
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@benwerd I built a plugin for @withknown that lets site owners sell memberships to their sites with @unlockprotocol. Here's how I did it: https://unlock-protocol.com/blog/integrating-unlock-with-known/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1146108098240634880)
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[jared078] [jgmac1106] ah cool. I'll look into adding an entry for Portland on the wiki there…don't see one currently.
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[jgmac1106] no HWC on that page , one sec
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[jgmac1106] What is HWC?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the classic Homebrew Computer Club meetings https://indieweb.org/hwc
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[jgmac1106] https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Needs_Restarting
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[jgmac1106] maybe there
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[jgmac1106] just listed as pop up...as in its hard to tell when and where [aaronpk] can pop up, having someone else on the ground in #PDX take the lead would be great!!
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[jgmac1106] !tell Chris Aldrich possibly someone to invite to LA Meet Up or IWC...when it happens...possibly gwgCon: https://janepark.co/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG GWGCon was meant to be a running joke
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GWG Now I'm going to have to do it
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@jaredcwhite In the interests of #OwnYourContent and #IndieWeb principles, I've set up a dedicated video page on my own website. All videos I produce will get saved on Vimeo and posted on my site! (with select segments shared to YouTube and Instagram) ALL THE DEETS: https://jaredwhite.com/20190702/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1146115726576500737)
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@jackyalcine The IndieWeb Summit last weekend left me with so many ideas and potential for things we can do to help foster a people-focused version of the Web. There’s like 6 blog posts I’m working on but I’m going to put some polish to https://publish.koype.net first… https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/91a18a94-e259-44a2-a31a-01f317f79b07 (twitter.com/_/status/1146118984862973952)
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[jgmac1106] do we collect post-IWC postsw here: https://indieweb.org/2019/Schedule and should we separate or encourage separation of general reflection post and "this is my demo post?"
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aaronpk What are 2019/Demos?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "2019/Demos" yet. Would you like to create it?_y (Or just say "2019/Demos is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk There's a link from the schedule grid to the demo page
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[jgmac1106] ahh thank you
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aaronpk it just hasn't been creates yet
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[jgmac1106] not for now for me, but there are like seven threads that should blog posts in the dev channel, have to get back to baseball tonight....it is the season that never endws
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[jgmac1106] oops I probably should have checked the format of past demo pages and followed that, will revise
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[tantek] [jared078] I think [aaronpk] would welcome someone taking the lead on restarting a regular HWC PDX! Perhaps consider monthly to start with? Key is finding a good venue, and at least 1-2 people who would join you
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[jgmac1106] looks like past demos are just a copy of IRC logs: https://indieweb.org/2018/Demos better to just add ===Blog Post=== section below?
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@cleverdevil IndieWeb Summit 2019: https://cleverdevil.io/2019/indieweb-summit-2019 (twitter.com/_/status/1146139406203596800)
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gRegorLove Blog posts about /2019? There's a section there for that
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[cleverdevil] </aol-voice>
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[cleverdevil] // you've got webmentions! //
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gRegorLove jgmac1106[m], They can go here: https://indieweb.org/2019#Blog
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[jgmac1106] thx, gRegorLove
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[tantek] [frank] the videos from Summit I have heard may be up by Friday, if that helps. Not sure how long the Twitch stream will be up
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Zegnat [jgmac1106], sometimes I have rewritten demos completely, so it wouldn’t just be a copy of IRC. E.g. https://indieweb.org/2017/Demos
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Zegnat But that takes a lot more time than you’d think, so I have only done it 2 or 3 times, I think
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[tantek] copy of IRC is the lazy way of doing it, from which there are many more possible improvements
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[frank] [tantek] Hmm..newsletter goes out by Thursday. Not the biggest subscription base so it might be OK
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@frankmeeuwsen Komende week gaat er weer een nieuwsbrief de deur uit met links en tips rondom het open web en indieweb. Gratis abonneren kan op http://nieuws.diggingthedigital.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/1146155319095111681)
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[schmarty] [chrisaldrich] there was a smallish conversation about the not-it emoji thing this weekend and the "not it!" tendency in general.
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[tantek] [schmarty] you made a very good meta-point at Summit about the presence of the "not it" proposal on the indieweb wiki
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chrisaldrich What was that point?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "that point" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "that point is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich Not-it often leads to lack of plurality and SPOA...
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[schmarty] while we can't stop people from saying "someone should X" and then watching a room full of people rush to not be the one to do "X" by declaring "not-it"
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[tantek] Attempting to paraphrase: We have thus far avoided a culture of "not it" in the IndieWeb Community, and it would be a shame if the very attempt to develop/promote a "not it" emoji actually had a cultural impact and cause people (especially outside the community) to think that "not it"ing is a thing here (when it isn't)
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[schmarty] ^^
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[tantek] I guess my attempt was close enough 🙂
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[schmarty] having the page on the wiki (and even taking steps to try and make art and get "not-it" added to Unicode) sure is a lot of effort being dedicated to teaching people they should be the first to opt out of volunteering for thigns.
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[schmarty] *things
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chrisaldrich and then a decade later, you've got Twitter 2018....
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[tantek] There was a separate criticism that the "not it" emoji would end up being (ab)used as a "picking my nose" emoji instead, perhaps even more so than the intended meaning.
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[schmarty] i don't know how slippery the slope is, i just think it goes against an environment of positivity.
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[tantek] it goes against an environment of being helpful
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chrisaldrich I was still never quite clear about the "IndieWebness" that prompted that page other than the idea of /fun
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chrisaldrich I like the idea of Santa holding his finger to his nose, giving a wink and then magic happening. Maybe that's what we should get behind? ;)
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[tantek] While I agree with [schmarty] about the negative cultural impact concerns, I think key question is whether it belongs on the IndieWeb wiki at all - and I can't see how/why it would. "not it" is not a "thing" in the IndieWeb Community, and I sure don't want to see it become one
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[tantek] Does anyone <!here> actually think there's IndieWeb relevance to the "not it" emoji proposal?
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jgmac1106[m] Yeah Zegnat think maybe we should try to encourage folks to publish their own demos... Will do example... Wonder if yiu can cjoose start time of archive.org video
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[schmarty] does not think there is IndieWeb relevance to the "not it" emoji proposal
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[tantek] same. if anything it seems counter to IndieWeb culture
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[cleverdevil] [tantek] hard “no” :)
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chrisaldrich My understanding and the history indicate that it was aaronpk and jgmac1106... perhaps they could shed more light and/or copy/paste the work elsewhere.
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[grantcodes] Same. I also wouldn't even know it was a thing if it wasn't for the wiki. I would just have gone with 🙅
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[fluffy] yeah to me “not it” makes it sound like a thing is undesirable or drudgery or something
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[fluffy] as opposed to “I don’t have thebandwidth/spoons right now but it’d be great if someone else does it”
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[aaronpk] I don't remember the context of the start of this, but the page was originally created as a joke by jgmac1106, and then a few minutes later i uploaded the mockup of the emoji https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2018-09-12#t1536717737332300
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Loqi [[jgmac1106]] what is the Not-It emoji?
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[aaronpk] and the page was just the definition and mockup until last week, when I dumped the emoji proposal template into it to get help from greg filling it out
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[aaronpk] either way i still want to work on the proposal, but i'm happy to do that elsewhere than the wiki
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@sebandeweg I just released a completely rewritten version of Gimme A Token, which hopefully does a better job of explaining the IndieAuth flow as you go. #indieweb https://gimme-a-token.5eb.nl/ (twitter.com/_/status/1146168924603654144)
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[aaronpk] [frank] you can link to the session page on the wiki so that we can swap out the video with the archive.org version once that's up. for now the wiki can link to the twitch archive
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[tantek] thanks aaronpk, I do think it's better to work on the not-it emoji proposal somewhere other than an IndieWeb page
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jgmac1106[m] aaron feel free to move it to a markdown page in GitHub or even GDocs
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[aaronpk] shared a google doc with you
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[aaronpk] ok proposal content is moved to a google doc, now it's just the stub that was from september
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[tantek] 👍 since we don't actually use "not-it emoji" in the community in practice, even as a summary or as plain text, I'd like to delete the page
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[aaronpk] fine with me. i'm a little sad to lose the SEO that it's built up, but i can re-create that on my site
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tantek.com deleted /not-it_emoji "content was not-it emoji proposal stub, unused literally or figuratively as cultural item or otherwise in practice in the IndieWeb Community"
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gregorlove.com created /2019/staticdynamic (+3940) "archive etherpad" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2019/Schedule (-29) "/* Saturday */ archived slot 2 sessions" (view diff)
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gRegorLove No etherpad notes for keybasefun, looks like
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gRegorLove Or maybe it was encrypted xD
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gregorlove.com created /2019/keybasefun (+405) "stub, appears no etherpad notes" (view diff)
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jgmac1106[m] Yeah it was the number one result for not-it emoji which was nice but it fits our wiki practice
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gregorlove.com created /2019/alltheauth (+1625) "archive etherpad" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Oops, been forgetting to put the blank template in the etherpads after archiving
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[jgmac1106] gRegorLove++ for the apost wiki gardening after every summit
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Loqi gRegorLove has 32 karma in this channel over the last year (84 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] If it isn't already recorded as a volunteer role on /planning we should add it
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gregorlove.com created /2019/justfornow (+1562) "archive etherpad" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /Main_Page (-254) "Summit over; removed banner" (view diff)
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